The Daily Planet Vol. 2: Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

Movies have won Best Picture with scores in the 70's (Gladiator was at 77% for years until some newer reviewers rediscovered it, Braveheart's at 76%, A Beautiful Mind's at 74%, etc.), and it would have to drop below SR's 74% to NOT be the best-reviewed Superman movie in 3 generations. The 70's is nowhere bad...but I don't think it's dropping to the 70's.
I also honestly doubt we will see another superhero movie in the 90s for a long time unless it is a TDK level gamechanger. Critics are fatigued of superhero movies and you will see more naysayers even with the genre's best examples going forward.
 
With all love, you are not living in reality, dude. :funny:

Batman Begins is at 85% fresh and is considered a critical darling. The Batman is at the same freshness score as well. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.

We have a well-received Superman movie for the first time in 40 years, that is fact.

No worries. To be honest, even I don't understand why I'm so sensitive about the RT score. Given my experiences with SR, MOS, and BvS, I thought that I'd be unfazed by now.

I guess having the RT score debut at 91% really offset my checked expectations.
 
I also honestly doubt we will see another superhero movie in the 90s for a long time unless it is a TDK level gamechanger. Critics are fatigued of superhero movies and you will see more naysayers even with the genre's best examples going forward.
Yeah, last year's billion dollar CBM phenomenon Deadpool & Wolverine is sitting there at 78% and no one's gonna try to tell you it wasn't well-received (even if it wasn't well-received by ME lol).
 
No worries. To be honest, even I don't understand why I'm so sensitive about the RT score. Given my experiences with SR, MOS, and BvS, I thought that I'd be unfazed by now.

I guess having the RT score debut at 91% really offset my checked expectations.
The debut is pretty much ALWAYS unnaturally high. As a general rule, never, ever let an RT debut score with maybe 40-50 reviews set your expectations. It always goes down. Only movies that stay in the 90's typically debuted at 100%, or at least 98-ish.
 
Does that still apply though if the film in question is meant to introduce both the titular character and a new cinematic universe?
Yes, rarely is the first entry the best. Usually with these sort of movies in recent history, the creative teams really soar once they get the initial worldbuilding out of the way and find their groove. See TDK, The Winter Soldier, Thor Ragnarok, etc.
 
So many positive reviews...but some negative. No idea how I'll react. Does anyone like 4DX or Screen X?

Due to what happened with my IMAX booking for Friday and getting a not-so-satisfying seat, I tried to book an IMAX ticket for Saturday as well, but seats were already taken...AGAIN (Apparently the start time for booking-they said 2 days prior-was 11:50 pm and not exactly at midnight unlike the staff person that told me. But then I found out later that the real reason the good seats were taken is because reward members are able to book 3 days prior from 9pm. But this, I didn't know. Just for free memberships, it's two days prior. I can't tell you how furious I was. Maybe k35 isn't too bad a seat. I hope not.)

I tried 4DX once before and fairly enjoyed it. I wasn't sure about Screen X. I saw a Screen X preview of Superman by accident on FB, showing what it would look like and I thought, "meh, that might be distracting."

For my second booking, what I thought was a ticket for 4DX, turns out it was a booking for Ultra 4DX which is a combination of both Screen X and 4DX. I kind of regretted purchasing that ticket. I was surprised to find that it was more expensive than IMAX, but that wasn't the reason I regretted it. I think I would prefer 4DX over Ultra 4DX. Ultimately though, I've always been an IMAX guy.
 
Does that still apply though if the film in question is meant to introduce both the titular character and a new cinematic universe?

Yes. Reviews aren't box office. This needs to still tickets. The score is good
 
So many positive reviews...but some negative. No idea how I'll react. Does anyone like 4DX or Screen X?

Due to what happened with my IMAX booking for Friday and getting a not-so-satisfying seat, I tried to book an IMAX ticket for Saturday as well, but seats were already taken...AGAIN (Apparently the start time for booking-they said 2 days prior-was 11:50 pm and not exactly at midnight unlike the staff person that told me. But then I found out later that the real reason the good seats were taken is because reward members are able to book 3 days prior from 9pm. But this, I didn't know. Just for free memberships, it's two days prior. I can't tell you how furious I was. Maybe k35 isn't too bad a seat. I hope not.)

I tried 4DX once before and fairly enjoyed it. I wasn't sure about Screen X. I saw a Screen X preview of Superman by accident on FB, showing what it would look like and I thought, "meh, that might be distracting."

For my second booking, what I thought was a ticket for 4DX, turns out it was a booking for Ultra 4DX which is a combination of both Screen X and 4DX. I kind of regretted purchasing that ticket. I was surprised to find that it was more expensive than IMAX, but that wasn't the reason I regretted it. I think I would prefer 4DX over Ultra 4DX. Ultimately though, I've always been an IMAX guy.
Screen X is horrible. Saw one movie in it out of last resort. It sucked.

Honestly, I would just see this in a regular 2D theatre. It's not like this was actually shot on IMAX film or something.
 
Screen X is horrible. Saw one movie in it out of last resort. It sucked.

Honestly, I would just see this in a regular 2D theatre. It's not like this was actually shot on IMAX film or something.
...It was shot on IMAX digital.
 
...It was shot on IMAX digital.
Nope, it was mostly just shot on standard RED digital cameras. There are some sequences that used IMAX digital, but they are far from equal to real IMAX and if you can't get a good seat in an IMAX showing, it's probably a better experience to just see the film normally rather than being stuck in some weird, junk premium format.
 
How in the heck is Returns that high?
Low expectations? No Superman for a long time? Singer was well-regarded by critics at the time and given a bit of a pass?

There are many movies where the critics and audiences have seen things differently.
 
The debut is pretty much ALWAYS unnaturally high. As a general rule, never, ever let an RT debut score with maybe 40-50 reviews set your expectations. It always goes down. Only movies that stay in the 90's typically debuted at 100%, or at least 98-ish.

So it's normal for a RT score to drop from 91% to 83% within a few days?

It feels like following a RT score is no different from checking the stock market every day.
 
How in the heck is Returns that high?
You have to remember this was pre-MCU, so for every Batman Begins or Spider-Man 2 there was a parade of immediate shlock like Catwoman, Daredevil, Fantastic Four or Elektra, while simultaneously, the formerly good franchise that was X-Men tanked itself with The Last Stand. I think critics back then were just grateful whenever they got a CBM made with some - any - care lol.
 
So it's normal for a RT score to drop from 91% to 83% within a few days?
Extremely normal. That's how it happens just about every time. Take a look at The Batman's early status:

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...and that's with more reviews in than Superman had in when it was at 91. Regardless, dropped down to mid 80's by the weekend. It's literally just how Rotten Tomatoes works. Which is why if your film debuts on RT at 65-70%, you ain't staying fresh for long* lol.

*as people who were here for MoS may recall.
 
You have to remember this was pre-MCU, so for every Batman Begins or Spider-Man 2 there was a parade of immediate shlock like Catwoman, Daredevil, Fantastic Four or Elektra, while simultaneously, the formerly good franchise that was X-Men tanked itself with The Last Stand. I think critics back then were just grateful whenever they got a CBM made with some - any - care lol.
Yup, and the opposite situation now is why we are going to see critics be a lot less forgiving with superhero movies. They aren't just going to rubber stamp every MCU-type movie made with a base level of competence anymore. They want to see superhero movies that rise above the generic and have something to say or do something differently.
 
So it's normal for a RT score to drop from 91% to 83% within a few days?

It feels like following a RT score is no different from checking the stock market every day.
I understand the fear/doubt. I think it's just really hard having to wait to watch while others have had the ability to see it. I feel like my mood has gone down significantly and I have no idea what to make of anything. Trying to just stay hyped, but this purgatory is messing with my head.

Still so damn angry there were no fan screenings in the UK (I'm a prime member, so extra sting). 3 days is a long time to be in my head about it, and dodging spoilers etc when Ive been this invested and am used to being involved in the conversation!
 
Extremely normal. That's how it happens just about every time. Take a look at The Batman's early status:

the-batman-has-a-96-score-on-rotten-tomatoes-after-71-v0-1oenzblvylk81.png


...and that's with more reviews in than Superman had in when it was at 91. Regardless, dropped down to mid 80's by the weekend. It's literally just how Rotten Tomatoes works. Which is why if your film debuts on RT at 65-70%, you ain't staying fresh for long* lol.

*as people who were here for MoS may recall.

Does that mean that Superman could still end up with a RT score in the 70's? If so, I guess that wouldn't be the worst.

In regard to your prior example with Deadpool and Wolverine, I feel like that's somewhat of a different situation. Deadpool already had two films that both had RT scores in the 80's and made a lot money at the box office. He wasn't launching a new franchise and could afford a lower RT score.
 
Does that mean that Superman could still end up with a RT score in the 70's? If so, I guess that wouldn't be the worst.

In regard to your prior example with Deadpool and Wolverine, I feel like that's somewhat of a different situation. Deadpool already had two films that both had RT scores in the 80's and made a lot money at the box office. He wasn't launching a new franchise and could afford a lower RT score.
Theoretically, it could end up in the 70s, but it is very unlikely.

You can't compare this movie's score to the previous Deadpool films. The market and the audience have changed. Superhero movies are just going to score less these days due to fatigue and critics holding them to a higher standard now.

RT scores have limited bearing on whether or not a movie launches a franchise. There are plenty of franchise launchers with mediocre scores. Audience reception and box office is the the real determining factor there. Transformers was rotten, but they pumped out six sequels because they continued to make bank. Jurassic World only landed in the low 70s on RT but there have been three sequels because they keep making money.

Just stop worrying about things beyond your control. This movie is a critical success, just take the win.
 
Does that mean that Superman could still end up with a RT score in the 70's? If so, I guess that wouldn't be the worst.

In regard to your prior example with Deadpool and Wolverine, I feel like that's somewhat of a different situation. Deadpool already had two films that both had RT scores in the 80's and made a lot money at the box office. He wasn't launching a new franchise and could afford a lower RT score.
And all that matters to launching a new franchise is that the movie is A.) financially successful, and B.) well-received. Which as we've demonstrated, it clearly is the latter. Sorry to say the former is more important in that goal. But being well-received certainly helps it to get there.
 

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