The Dark Knight Rises The Dark Knight Rises Info Hunters Thread - Part 1

[Thread Manager]

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[ChrisB]

This is a continuation thread, the old thread is Here

The big news today...

Marion Cotillard in 'The Dark Knight Rises' after all?
http://batman-news.com/2011/02/13/marion-cotillard-in-the-dark-knight-rises-after-all/

 

[frakkingoff]

Who would deny to anyone that they're in talks to be in a Batman movie?

Someone who doesn't feel their career needs a boost from lying about how desirable, talented, and famous they are. Someone who feels they're already established enough.

It smacks of desperation to say you're in talks for something you're not. The studio knows whether or not you're in talks - so when it comes time for them to cast their next movie, do you think they will forget that you lied about "being in talks?" No - they'll realize that you think your talent doesn't speak for itself - so maybe you're not worth casting in the first place.

Even if they already know they're not going to be in the movie, they can still further their careers from the situation.

Some people further their careers with moves like this - but those are people whose careers NEED furthering and, furthermore, people who do not feel confident in their own body of work and talent.

For others, making such a claim will HARM their careers.

If Tom Cruise was asked if he was in talks to be in TDKR, I'm pretty sure he'd deny it.

With The Dark Knight, the film shot on location in Chicago and Hong Kong, as well as in the Cardington hangars. To film in a city like Chicago requires months of negotiations with the city government, chamber of commerce, agencies, contractors, etc. It's no small feat.

We are months away from filming.

Furthermore, maybe filming is scheduled to start in the studios - so we could be as many as 6 months before on-location shooting has to happen in a city. It could all still be being worked out right now.

Finally, there's a chance that there's very little exterior shooting to be done - TDK took great pains to do a lot of work in the city of Chicago, but maybe TDKR will be mostly in the studio.

It's an even larger feat to do something like this overseas. Whole scenes of The Dark Knight were removed from the script due to lighting issues in Hong Kong

One scene (singular, not plural) was excised, because of flight restrictions in Hong Kong (understandable, given how dense that city is). And it was a scene that was judged to be unnecessary anyway.

and the tricky relations with the Chinese government eventually led to the movie not even being released in China.

That has nothing to do with your argument and is a red herring.

The movie wasn't released in China because of issues with China's totalitarian government, censorship, and the subject matter of the movie. Nothing to do with the difficulty of on-location shooting and such negotiation.

Yet with The Dark Knight Rises, the movie will be shooting in New York, Los Angeles, the UK Hangars, Pittsburgh, Romania and India....As it stands now, this film will be shooting in four countries and three American cities.

Those places are rumors - it's likely that multiple options are being considered, for reasons of cost, convenience, and desirability, and that they will be narrowed down.

Basically, what I'm getting at is that all of this screams of misinformation tactics.

No it doesn't - it "screams" of a movie's pre-production, where final decisions have not been made because it's very early in the process.

You want news now, but there just isn't "news" to put out there yet.

If the movie is set to start shooting in May, and we have no clue where the movie is filming, then there's no way we can go and take on-set photos.

No - it's not like the fans mobilize, pick a few representatives, buy them airplane tickets, and send them to scout for us.

When they start shooting, we'll know where it is, and people that already live there can scout. Nobody gains anything from "hiding the location beforehand."

If we don't know the fake title of the movie, we won't know where it is. If it has multiple fake titles, that makes it nearly impossible to guess.

You are seriously underestimating the resourcefulness and intelligence of both individual fans and the community as a whole.

Secret titles aren't to prevent the fans from getting anything - they're an easy fix to the hassle of passers-by. That's it. Secret titles aren't going to stop those of us who are fans enough to talk about it on message boards.

The other thing to consider is that so many websites are trying to profit off of this movie that not only are they reporting anything and everything without verification, but some of them are starting to flat out make it up.

This has always been true, and it dates to before even the internet came about.

From where I'm sitting, there is so much BS floating around right now that it's quite possibly deliberate.

There's always a lot of BS, and why does the quantity have any bearing on how "deliberate" it is?

WB has taken the security of this film to a whole new level; instead of keeping everything on lockdown (which you know they are) they're also flooding the news market with lies.

They have nothing to gain - no money whatsoever - by spending their time and money on such an effort.

If there have been two different fake scripts, if the real one were to leak we wouldn't believe it.

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

In this case, you're confusing studio malice with fandom stupidity. Some fans wrote some fake scripts, for fun, and got kicks out of fooling people they were real, for fun.

That's it. That's all there is to it. And it happens all the time.

If there are fake press releases, we'll second-guess when a real one comes out.

No we won't. Press releases are deliberate announcements by the studio. They want you to believe what they tell you, they're not going to float fake releases so you don't believe the real ones they put out. That's shooting themselves in the foot.

This point of yours doesn't even make the least bit of sense. Sorry, at this point, I'm starting to think you're just wacko.

If there are fifteen different possible shooting locations, we won't know which ones are the right ones.

When they start shooting, they're not going to make 15 different fake film sets and only use one. They'll only be present at, and setting up, the ones they actually want to use.

Since scouts don't plan months ahead of time, there's no reason to deliberately fool people about where you're shooting.

I think it's possible that the "viral marketing" campaign for The Dark Knight Rises has already started. They're flooding the market with ********.

You're not talking about viral marketing, you're suggesting a conspiracy to keep things secret. Viral marketing is about publicizing, not hiding.

Either that, or the media is ruining it themselves and the studio is just sitting back and laughing.

I'm sure they are. Nolan definitely is. I know I'm laughing too.

What happened today though wasn't anything new. We're getting crap like this every week. If it's not a fake script, it's a new casting rumor. If it's not a casting rumor, it's a new confirmation. If it's not a confirmation, it's a new villain. If it's not a new villain, it's a fake press release. If not that, a fake interview.

Yup. Because people want it - so others get their kicks out of providing it (falsely).

There's nothing new about trolling or practical jokes.

I'm getting sick of this crap.

Me too.

I've braced myself for the flames. Send them onward.

Not flaming, but your argument is full of holes and irrationality.

There's no conspiracy, because there's nothing to gain.

And the studio is made up of the same kind of moronic human beings that the fandom is made up of. We're all the same - we're all completely fallible.

They're not monolithic, they're not infallible, and they're not masterminds.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

A new thread already damn we are quick to 1000p!

 

[TheBatman072]

A new thread already damn we are quick to 1000p!

And still just as laggy.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

And still just as laggy.

Sadly, yes.

 

[TheBatman072]

Sadly, yes.

I can't wait until we get heavy into filming, and a thousand posts a thread happen in 30 minutes.

THAT'S gonna be fun.

Being just as laggy, but with the extra added bonus of having to navigate through seven different threads every hour.

EDIT: and then of course there's the sometimes double, triple, even quadruple posts which will inflate the post count in each thread once we get REALLY laggy. It's happening now, it's going to get even worse.

 

[frakkingoff]

I can't wait until we get heavy into filming, and a thousand posts a thread happen in 30 minutes.

THAT'S gonna be fun.

Being just as laggy, but with the extra added bonus of having to navigate through seven different threads every hour.

EDIT: and then of course there's the sometimes double, triple, even quadruple posts which will inflate the post count in each thread once we get REALLY laggy. It's happening now, it's going to get even worse.

Maybe we should all find a new forum...

 

[regwec]

Someone who doesn't feel their career needs a boost from lying about how desirable, talented, and famous they are. Someone who feels they're already established enough.

It smacks of desperation to say you're in talks for something you're not. The studio knows whether or not you're in talks - so when it comes time for them to cast their next movie, do you think they will forget that you lied about "being in talks?" No - they'll realize that you think your talent doesn't speak for itself - so maybe you're not worth casting in the first place.

Some people further their careers with moves like this - but those are people whose careers NEED furthering and, furthermore, people who do not feel confident in their own body of work and talent.

For others, making such a claim will HARM their careers.

If Tom Cruise was asked if he was in talks to be in TDKR, I'm pretty sure he'd deny it.


We are months away from filming.

Furthermore, maybe filming is scheduled to start in the studios - so we could be as many as 6 months before on-location shooting has to happen in a city. It could all still be being worked out right now.

Finally, there's a chance that there's very little exterior shooting to be done - TDK took great pains to do a lot of work in the city of Chicago, but maybe TDKR will be mostly in the studio.

One scene (singular, not plural) was excised, because of flight restrictions in Hong Kong (understandable, given how dense that city is). And it was a scene that was judged to be unnecessary anyway.

That has nothing to do with your argument and is a red herring.

The movie wasn't released in China because of issues with China's totalitarian government, censorship, and the subject matter of the movie. Nothing to do with the difficulty of on-location shooting and such negotiation.

Those places are rumors - it's likely that multiple options are being considered, for reasons of cost, convenience, and desirability, and that they will be narrowed down.

No it doesn't - it "screams" of a movie's pre-production, where final decisions have not been made because it's very early in the process.

You want news now, but there just isn't "news" to put out there yet.

No - it's not like the fans mobilize, pick a few representatives, buy them airplane tickets, and send them to scout for us.

When they start shooting, we'll know where it is, and people that already live there can scout. Nobody gains anything from "hiding the location beforehand."

You are seriously underestimating the resourcefulness and intelligence of both individual fans and the community as a whole.

Secret titles aren't to prevent the fans from getting anything - they're an easy fix to the hassle of passers-by. That's it. Secret titles aren't going to stop those of us who are fans enough to talk about it on message boards.

This has always been true, and it dates to before even the internet came about.

There's always a lot of BS, and why does the quantity have any bearing on how "deliberate" it is?

They have nothing to gain - no money whatsoever - by spending their time and money on such an effort.

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

In this case, you're confusing studio malice with fandom stupidity. Some fans wrote some fake scripts, for fun, and got kicks out of fooling people they were real, for fun.

That's it. That's all there is to it. And it happens all the time.
No we won't. Press releases are deliberate announcements by the studio. They want you to believe what they tell you, they're not going to float fake releases so you don't believe the real ones they put out. That's shooting themselves in the foot.

This point of yours doesn't even make the least bit of sense. Sorry, at this point, I'm starting to think you're just wacko.

When they start shooting, they're not going to make 15 different fake film sets and only use one. They'll only be present at, and setting up, the ones they actually want to use.

Since scouts don't plan months ahead of time, there's no reason to deliberately fool people about where you're shooting.

You're not talking about viral marketing, you're suggesting a conspiracy to keep things secret. Viral marketing is about publicizing, not hiding.

I'm sure they are. Nolan definitely is. I know I'm laughing too.

Yup. Because people want it - so others get their kicks out of providing it (falsely).

There's nothing new about trolling or practical jokes.

Me too.

Not flaming, but your argument is full of holes and irrationality.

There's no conspiracy, because there's nothing to gain.

And the studio is made up of the same kind of moronic human beings that the fandom is made up of. We're all the same - we're all completely fallible.

They're not monolithic, they're not infallible, and they're not masterminds.

I hear that the Pyramids of Giza contain vignettes depicting Christopher Nolan.

 

[ChrisB]

Wow these threads are only going to last 3 days now? Once production starts there will probably be 3 threads created per day!

Mods: Are the board administrators looking into a how to balance the heavy load on the servers, or is this a permanent solution?

 

[Kane52630]

Mods: Are the board administrators looking into a how to balance the heavy load on the servers, or is this a permanent solution?

It's staying for now, there's been a weeks worth of discussion about it. If you don't like it take it to the thread.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=346883&page=36

 

[ChrisB]

It's staying for now, there's been a weeks worth of discussion about it. If you don't like it take it to the thread.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=346883&page=36

Thanks!

 

[Bat-Mite]

Threads come and go so quickly here!

 

[phantasmata]

Charlie The Red:

we fans do this to ourselves, thus it would just be a huge waste of time for WB to engage in these sorts of misinformation tactics. let's take the robin williams rumor, for example. that whole thing started because jett was farting on twitter about how kewl it would be if williams played strange. do you think he's colluding with the studio to misdirect the entire fanbase? i know we all dislike the guy, but i don't think he's THAT much of a *****e.

we fans are intense/passionate/rabid enough that we just delude ourselves. take the board, for example. all the stuff about ra's coming back, talia, deacon blackfire, etc. all came from US. WE were the ones who started those rumors simply because we WANT them to be true. i keep seeing "it's a given that cotillard is playing talia" and i'm like how is it a "given"? where is the evidence that she's playing talia? we just WANT her to play talia, therefore it's a "given" that she is. it happens all the time here. i mean, jett tweeted that the whole robin williams "rumor" wasn't even a rumor--it was just him ******* on twitter but did that stop the speculating? no. even when someone points out that williams is headlining his own broadway show this spring and summer, it's not enough to disabuse people of this rumor that wasn't even really a rumor to begin with. sure, it'd be easy as hell for the studio to manipulate this to their advantage but i think it'd be a waste of time on their part when we just do it to ourselves.

 

[The Englishman]

So did we get any news from TheWrap then??

 

[Charlie The Red]

You have a point, frakkingoff, but there just as many holes in your argument.

In my view, you seem a bit naive to think that the studio wouldn't use misinformation tactics. All-in-all, your arguments are sound albeit a bit more forgiving towards them.

Briefly though, you said I wanted news. I never said that. Please don't put words in my mouth. And also, I attributed to stupidity when I said that Warner Bros. was allowing the nonsensical rumors to create a certain degree of secrecy for the film.

Also, I never said what they were doing was malicious.

Lastly, it's not early in production when filming starts the next fiscal quarter.

As far as there being holes in my argument, the holes you found were based mostly on your more forgiving and optimistic worldview, as opposed to my more skeptical view.

This creates an issue. We have clashing philosophies. This argument will perpetuate until one of us dies. I don't want to argue with you until I die. I know you don't want to do that either.

So let's just call a spade a spade and let my manifesto stay where Thread Manager left it. Otherwise, we're going to be going at it all night and day for all existence, and I don't want to do that.

 

[TheBatman072]

So did we get any news from TheWrap then??

Nope.

 

[ChrisB]

I don't have Photoshop at work, so I just prepared for when a REAL press release comes out during lunch...

 

[The Englishman]

Damm i thought we did and the hype exploded with all the new threads...

 

[Travesty]

Damm i thought we did and the hype exploded with all the new threads...

Nah, it just exploded in rage. Rage I tell you!

 

[TheBatman072]

Damm i thought we did and the hype exploded with all the new threads...

Nope, the new threads are the new Hype board policy.

Every thread that hits 1000 posts is closed and given a sequel thread.

 

[The Englishman]

Nope, the new threads are the new Hype board policy.

Every thread that hits 1000 posts is closed and given a sequel thread.

Thats gonna be fun...

 

[TheBatman072]

Thats gonna be fun...

Oh indeed.

All in an effort to cut down on lag which...hasn't worked.

And we're not even at the HEIGHT of hype.

 

[StarLord]

Why can't they just have one thread? What changed?

 

[Dark Knight]

I don't have Photoshop at work, so I just prepared for when a REAL press release comes out during lunch...

Wow, that Cotillard is a beautiful woman!