The Dark Knight Rises The Dark Knight Rises Info Hunters Thread - Part 1

[regwec]

If Talia stands in for Lady Shiva, and restores Bruce emotionally as well as physically after his defeat by Bane, then I could see that fitting into the movie without too much harm to its structure.

It would really amount to Marion owning one large extended sequence, though.

 

[robthorn24]

am i crazy in my mind or why do i read the little girl side, get a mental picture of a teddy bear and have the girl have some kind of connection to Bane?

I know I sound like a dollar fifty fortune teller right now - but for some reason that's jumping out at me.



Anyone know why? Or am I just still 1/2 asleep? lol

- Jow

As crazy as it sounds, I can totally see something like this playing out in TDKR, along with some good ol' Nolan symbolism that somehow reflects on the world we live in.

... Or I could still be 1/2 asleep too. t:

 

[Anjow1060]

Reading them now - you tell me that Nixon side doesn't read like a Batman / Catwoman conversation sans a few clever changes of "man" for "woman" and a last paragraph that extraniously throws in a couple f-bombs.

That is Batman / Catwoman right there if I ever saw it. Good God.

- Jow

 

[lililatigresse]

Reading them now - you tell me that Nixon side doesn't read like a Batman / Catwoman conversation sans a few clever changes of "man" for "woman" and a last paragraph that extraniously throws in a couple f-bombs.

That is Batman / Catwoman right there if I ever saw it. Good God.

- Jow

Can you send them to me, please ?

 

[Anjow1060]

course now that I'm thinking it over .... why would they wanna have people read cats / bats if they are already cast?

#Ooopsie

- Jow

 

[joker1524]

or ya know..... give someone for Catwoman to actually fight hand to hand with...... and make things completley grey for bruce to choose which path his love life will go.

Rachel was his "true good" path. And that was killed.

Now he would have to choose between the grey of catwoman's beliefs and the grey of Talia's beliefs which would sway him back to question his decision of going against Ras.

After everything that happened in TDK - it's fair to say that Bruce might be thinking "Damn..... I f***** up."

There are so many reasons Talia should be in the movie it's not even arguable.

The only reason I would go against it is because it would come off as another chick holding Bane's leash. But alas I...

#TrustNolan

#ThatsRightI'mBringingItBack

- Jow

i actualy dont want to see batman and catwoman team up either....for batman to be chasing down catwoman through most of the film and then all of a sudden she becomes a temporary partner just gives me hurtful memories of what happened towards the ending of the first Alien vs Predator Movie......humans run from both predators and aliens as its a blood bath and the one lone surviving human decides to team up with the predator to battle the alien queen and her minions of serpents ET's...no thanks

 

[lililatigresse]

course now that I'm thinking it over .... why would they wanna have people read cats / bats if they are already cast?

#Ooopsie

- Jow

t:

 

[Anjow1060]

I've gotta look at these more - i have a lot of work to do today on my film, but i'm inclined to change my position on them for now and say they're not TDKR sides.

Only because if i remember correctly the TDK sides always talked about Dent,Bats,Joker - etc.

They were for thugs, cops, the mayor, and Mike Engel.

These read like episodic segments for a spy thriller. So yeah - I'm gonna join team "Numbers Station" for the time being. I reserve the right to flip flop upon new ideas / evidence. But still good to have in the back of my mind.

- Jow

 

[StarLord]

So yeah - I'm gonna join team "Numbers Station" for the time being.

I've been looking this up for a while now and neither Emma Thomas or the director that was mentioned are connected to that movie. I posted the IMDB details earlier.

 

[batman11]

I've been looking this up for a while now and neither Emma Thomas or the director that was mentioned are connected to that movie. I posted the IMDB details earlier.

Are you referring to casting director John Papsidera? If so, then yes, he is connected. He's listed on the page under the "Casting By" heading.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1659338/fullcredits#cast

 

[Van Petrol]

Jow, you need to pop in more often!

 

[Van Petrol]

Btw, if anybody has the sides or a link to them, could they be so kind as to hook me up? I still have yet to see them for myself.

 

[jonathancrane]

Nevermind guys, I found them.

If I may inquire, where?
Sadly, I cannot shell out for the slides, as much as I would like to..

 

[Majik1387]

So nothing new today?

 

[Anjow1060]

Jow, you need to pop in more often!

www.JowForums.tk

Welcome to my world. lol

- Jow

 

[Anjow1060]

Are you referring to casting director John Papsidera? If so, then yes, he is connected. He's listed on the page under the "Casting By" heading.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1659338/fullcredits#cast

we knew it was Pap's b-man, we were trying to see if Emma was connected in anyway to these sides. If she is, then it's a safe bet it has something to do with TDKR. If not - doesn't hurt the case, just doesn't help it.

- Jow

 

[robthorn24]

we knew it was Pap's b-man, we were trying to see if Emma was connected in anyway to these sides. If she is, then it's a safe bet it has something to do with TDKR. If not - doesn't hurt the case, just doesn't help it.

- Jow

In my best Two Face voice... "I said it wouldn't hurt your chances."

 

[Doctor Jones]

If Talia stands in for Lady Shiva, and restores Bruce emotionally as well as physically after his defeat by Bane, then I could see that fitting into the movie without too much harm to its structure.

It would really amount to Marion owning one large extended sequence, though.

This is what I was thinking of too. It's the only way for it to work without the whole revenge story (which I hope doesn't happen) and if Bane breaking Batman's back is true...

I wouldn't mind Talia not being a bad person. Choosing to do the opposite of her father would be an interesting angle. She could reveal herself to him as his daughter, he thinks she will kill him, but she seems like the Ras who met with Bruce in the solitary in BB. More calm (despite his underlying intentions) and more reasonable. This could put Bruce's faith more in people in a way, and she could help him come back to health, but not just his health, but his faith. It may sound cheesy but it could work.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

And when she reveals herself, 2/3rd's of the audience will be like, "Who the f*** is Ras Al Ghul?".


And what faith? Bruce never lost faith in people.

 

[batman11]

we knew it was Pap's b-man, we were trying to see if Emma was connected in anyway to these sides. If she is, then it's a safe bet it has something to do with TDKR. If not - doesn't hurt the case, just doesn't help it.

- Jow

I'm aware. But Whiplash's post said that neither Emma nor the "director in question" (he didn't name this person, which is why I was asking if he was referring to Papsidera) were involved. Under the assumption that he was referring to Papsidera, I was merely repeating what we knew 2 days ago. If he was not referring to Papsidera, then I'm not sure who he is talking about. And for whatever it's worth, Emma is nowhere to be found on the IMDB listing for the film. While it's only one source (and yeah, we know how bad they can be...), IMDB does have enough info on the project to partially assume that their information, at least regarding the executive positions, is accurate.

 

[joker1524]

This is what I was thinking of too. It's the only way for it to work without the whole revenge story (which I hope doesn't happen) and if Bane breaking Batman's back is true...

I wouldn't mind Talia not being a bad person. Choosing to do the opposite of her father would be an interesting angle. She could reveal herself to him as his daughter, he thinks she will kill him, but she seems like the Ras who met with Bruce in the solitary in BB. More calm (despite his underlying intentions) and more reasonable. This could put Bruce's faith more in people in a way, and she could help him come back to health, but not just his health, but his faith. It may sound cheesy but it could work.

honestly i thought of this as well lol..what if talia didnt agree with her fathers views on humanity and how the world isnt beyond saving...i wouldnt mind talia in this film from that point of view...i just dont want the annoying revenge plot and the league of shadows coming back into this...but i always thought maybe nolan would use talia in a different way then he did with ras which would be an interesting take on the character

 

[Anjow1060]

And when she reveals herself, 2/3rd's of the audience will be like, "Who the f*** is Ras Al Ghul?".


And what faith? Bruce never lost faith in people.

Yeah cuz no one in the audience will remember Liam Neesen.

Or went and checked out Begins after how awesome TDK was.

Please stop assuming the audience is stupid to support your argument. Nolan didn't cater in Memento, or Begins, or Prestige, or TDK or Inception..... he's not gonna start now.

kthanksbye.

- Jow

 

[regwec]

Both Talia and the League could be used, just not as antagonists. If Batman is broken, he may very well go back to the beginning in order to rebuild himself. The League functions on its own form of honour, so he might be accepted back into their fold as the vanquisher of their last leader, by Talia, their new one. They might love each other physically while knowing that they are destined to be enemies.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

And when she reveals herself, 2/3rd's of the audience will be like, "Who the f*** is Ras Al Ghul?".

LOL yes. That's been a major pillar of my Talia doubts. I think people are seriously overestimating the impact and freshness of BB in people's minds. It will be seven years later by the time of TDKR, with one colossally influential and culturally impactful Batman movie in between. I think Joker has pretty much erased people's memories of Ra's.

Obviously I'm slightly exaggerating, but I still think it'd be unwise to hinge an important element of TDKR on BB.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Yeah cuz no one in the audience will remember Liam Neesen.

Or went and checked out Begins after how awesome TDK was.

Please stop assuming the audience is stupid to support your argument. Nolan didn't cater in Memento, or Begins, or Prestige, or TDK or Inception..... he's not gonna start now.

kthanksbye.

- Jow

Yeah, that's healthy discussion.