The Dark Knight Rises The Dark Knight Rises Info Hunters Thread - - - - - Part 1

[Travesty]

I think it should be common sense that Nolan's version of Ras isn't immortal. He's said many times now how he's wanted to make these Bat-flicks as realistic as possible.

I wanted to try and do it in a more realistic fashion than anyone had ever tried to a superhero film before(Guardian.co.uk 2005)

I chose Christian to play Batman based on the idea that in trying to create a realistic version of the story you need an actor like Christian who has sufficient intensity

Again, it's not about making him darker--it's about him more realistic

http://gothamalleys.blogspot.com/2011/01/batman-in-movies-part-iii-christian.html


Yes, it's still a movie, and there are still liberties to be taken, but Nolan does try to make Batman as realistic as possible. Therefore, I don't think Ras is immortal.

 

[nimrodson]

SOOOOO, any news on that licensing expo?

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Therefore, I don't think Ras is immortal.

But are his methods supernatural?

Spoiler

 

[craigdbfan]

Or cheap parlor tricks to conceal your true identity, Ra's?

The world may never know.

 

[Octoberist]

It meantbto be vague unless DKr explains it.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Or cheap parlor tricks to conceal your true identity, Ra's?

The world may never know.

t:

 

[Van Petrol]

*Angst angst angst*

Lol, I can just picture you in front of your computer screen right now replicating your avvy mate. t:

 

[Doctor Jones]

Well it is ambiguous. As "realistic" as these films are that line from him in BB make is ambiguous. I think it was a smart thing. Ra's is either a name passed on or he's used Lazarus pits. Is it more probably that there are no lazarus pits in Nolan's vision? Yeah, but he doesn't dismiss it. The fact it's still a possibility makes it something fans can take away from for themselves. I think Nolan did good there.

 

[weezerspider]

I think it should be common sense that Nolan's version of Ras isn't immortal. He's said many times now how he's wanted to make these Bat-flicks as realistic as possible.


http://gothamalleys.blogspot.com/2011/01/batman-in-movies-part-iii-christian.html


Yes, it's still a movie, and there are still liberties to be taken, but Nolan does try to make Batman as realistic as possible. Therefore, I don't think Ras is immortal.

Agreed. Introducing the Lazarus Pit would take away any "realism" that exists. Yes, its a comic film so it isn't going to be too realistic, but Nolan wants to make the most realistic Batman film without drastically changing the character. (Lets be real, he could have made them so much more realistic, but the characters would only be a shell of their comic book counter parts). The Lazarus Pit would be too unrealistic that it would mess up the realism continuity and frankly, its not even needed. Nolan bends realism to keep the characters their true selves. Realistically, a vigilante wouldn't wear a Bat suit, but hes not Batman without looking like a Bat, so he keeps it. I can't think of a reason to bring the Lazarus Pit in. Ras was very well portrayed without the Pit, so I honestly can't think of a reason for it.

 

[Kane52630]

Nobody knows.

And since we're only getting a scene or two with Ra's in this movie 30 years ago, we'll never know.

Please, tell us more Mr. Nolan...

 

[weezerspider]

SOOOOO, any news on that licensing expo?

Yeah wasn't that today? or next Friday?

 

[Octoberist]

next week

 

[nimrodson]

Yeah wasn't that today? or next Friday?

I thought it was today, but I may be mistaken. Anyone know? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

 

[nimrodson]

Whoops, sorry 'bout that. Thank you, Octoberist.

 

[craigdbfan]

Well it is ambiguous. As "realistic" as these films are that line from him in BB make is ambiguous. I think it was a smart thing. Ra's is either a name passed on or he's used Lazarus pits. Is it more probably that there are no lazarus pits in Nolan's vision? Yeah, but he doesn't dismiss it. The fact it's still a possibility makes it something fans can take away from for themselves. I think Nolan did good there.

Exactly.

In the case of Ra's there's no clear definitives. Which I'm happy Nolan did.

Also Batman's abilities which were all inherited from Ra's border on the supernatural and there's no denying that really.

So whether if he's just a man or something more in the mystical realm of things remains unknown. Might be answered in TDKR, might not.

So much mystery.

 

[Saint]

They both have the best ratings????

Not really a fan of FOX, but everyone else is just as biased. Fox just happens to be biased towards the right. The other 90% of the media is biased towards the left. Get off your high horse, everyone's biased. I watch a little bit of everything and read the newspaper and do my own research to form my own opinions, but there is no point in singling out one news station for being biased when every other news station is just as biased, just the other way.

If only bias was the only issue; the real issue is that they are completely incompetent and don't do their due diligence when "reporting."

For example, In 2008 they reported that Mass Effect featured "Full digital nudity and sex," and that it allowed players to choose and act out sexual behaviour. If anyone had bothered to actually research the matter (you know, like a professional), they would have known neither of those statements even remotely resemble the truth. Instead, they made up a bunch of crap about the game (seriously, they actually made it up) and reported it as if it were fact.

Hell, nobody even batted an eye when Geoff Keighley explained (on the air) that their facts were completely wrong, and that they were entirely misrepresenting the product.

So no, the problem with Fox isn't merely bias. The problem with Fox is that they are liars.

 

[Octoberist]

The closest thing to DC Entertainment news this week would be Jim Lee and Geoff Johns announcing some breaking news at tomorrow's LA Times Hero Complex Film Fest.

 

[TheBatman072]

If only bias was the only issue; the real issue is that they are completely incompetent and don't do their due diligence when "reporting."

For example, In 2008 they reported that Mass Effect featured "Full digital nudity and sex," and that it allowed players to choose and act out sexual behaviour. If anyone had bothered to actually research the matter (you know, like a professional), they would have known neither of those statements even remotely resemble the truth. Instead, they made up a bunch of crap about the game (seriously, they actually made it up) and reported it as if it were fact.

Hell, nobody even batted an eye when Geoff Keighley explained (on the air) that their facts were completely wrong, and that they were entirely misrepresenting the product.

Yep.

Time and time again they've been caught literally making **** up. Doctoring photos or videos to support their narrative.

No one else does this, and if they do, it is once in a blue moon.

Fox News does it monthly.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I have been out of it for sooooooooooo long...

Can anyone give me the major updates?

 

[TheBatman072]

I have been out of it for sooooooooooo long...

Can anyone give me the major updates?

Michael Caine starts shooting next week.

The reports about him being filmed in the hospital a week or so ago are now obviously full of crap.

 

[Mako]

The closest thing to DC Entertainment news this week would be Jim Lee and Geoff Johns announcing some breaking news at tomorrow's LA Times Hero Complex Film Fest.

We can only hope.

 

[nimrodson]

The closest thing to DC Entertainment news this week would be Jim Lee and Geoff Johns announcing some breaking news at tomorrow's LA Times Hero Complex Film Fest.

Ah, yeah got it now. I knew there was something going on soon. Looks like it might be mostly Superman related.

Special guest appearance by Geoff Johns (Chief Creative Officer, DC Entertainment), who will discuss working with Richard Donner and the big-screen future of the DC Universe. JUST ANNOUNCED: Geoff Johns and Jim Lee (Co-Publisher of DC Comics) will appear together for a second panel, which will center on “bombshell announcements about the future of Superman and the entire DC Universe.”

 

[Octoberist]

let's hope it's more about the DC Comica reboot since it's a film festival.

 

[FatmanReturns]

I doubt Jim and Geoff, the men over the comic book aspect of the company, have anything to say about the movie. I don't think it's necessarily their place.

 

[Bat-Mite]

Nolan balked at the idea of a Joker with perma-white skin because that went beyond a sense of realism of this "world we know" and now we're supposed to suspend disbelief should the dead rise from the grave? Nah, that's BULL $H*T!

Show me a quote where Nolan balked at it or even commented on the matter. We live in a world where a black man became ghastly white and where conditions like albinism exist. It was never unrealistic, the Joker was depicted as permawhite in the concept art, and it's pretty obvious that the makeup thing was a stylistic choice.

...So in Nolan's universe, is Ra's Al Ghul a title that's handed down, rather than an actual person?

Correct.

Noooo... it's not correct. It's speculation that (and here's the important part) originated with the fans, not with Nolan, not with Goyer, or anyone else involved with the creation of the film. Bruce Wayne refers to Ra's al Ghul as being the "true identity" of Liam Neeson's character, and there's never anything in the film that suggests that this is a name that's passed down through the ages. The first guy that used the name was a decoy, or "parlor trick" just like the guy in the green cape at the party was. They never say anything about Ra's al Ghul being hundreds of years old or anything like that. I should point out that I don't think that Liam Neeson's character is meant to be hundreds of years old in the movie, but like I said, it's never suggested that the Ra's al Ghul name has been around for hundreds of years, anyway, only that the League of Shadows has.

There's really no point in them even getting Liam Neeson to look like the character if he's not meant to be the real deal. Ra's al Ghul wasn't a man named Henri Ducard who got the name Ra's al Ghul passed down to him when Watanabe's character died. He was Ra's al Ghul from the very beginning and used that alias and those decoys to protect himself like how Saddam Hussein did the same thing with his doubles. If Ra's hadn't done that, he would have been the one Bruce attacked in the monastery and would have ended up dead under that burning beam of wood. That's why Ra's took that personally and told Bruce, "You burned my house and left me for dead. Consider us even," despite the fact that Bruce rescued him.