The Dark Knight Rises The Dark Knight Rises Info Hunters Thread - - - - - Part 1

[Troy_Parker]

Don't complain about Two-Face. That was Nolan'way of honoring the fans. If it was just a scar people would still be complaining. Enjoy the quality of the greatest Batman films ever made. I'm not saying we shouldn't discuss things but please don't become aggressive and let this passion we have for the greatest DC hero get out of hand.

I don't think anybody's complaining about Two-Face. I love BB and TDK. I love how Nolan's tweaked certain things in Batman's universe to make them seem plausible.

We're simply talking about why a lazarus pit could work in Nolan's Batman.

 

[BatScot]

So a microwave emitter, jumping Batmobile, glider cape, sonar device, Two-Face's injuries, and a possible Lazarus Pit with healing properties are sound in Nolan's universe... yet a fabric-based batsuit continues to be touted as "too unrealistic" for this franchise.

The irony here—for those of the opinion that a fabric based batsuit is implausible and unrealistic—is that of those things you mentioned fabric armor is the most grounded in actual science.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

all very interesting, now link this to the Lazarus pit

rather:

Link this to something that works akin to a Lazarus pit in real life

Yeah, I edited my post. Basically, the application of telomerase would do it. It wouldn't need to be a bath though, a series injections would suffice, but it is not at all as cinematic.

 

[The_Raganork]

The irony here—for those of the opinion that a fabric based batsuit is implausible and unrealistic—is that of those things you mentioned fabric armor is the most grounded in actual science.

Fabric is not "unrealistic" it's unhelpful and impractical. If you're being shot at, Bat-Cashmere isn't going to help you.

People are arguing the wrong points just to argue I think.

The Fabric argument should cease from coming up

 

[batman_gr]

We're simply talking about why a lazarus pit could work in Nolan's Batman.

Perhaps in a similar way these do

http://gogreece.about.com/cs/health/a/grecianspas.htm

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

From a poster at DCO, no links, so might be BS:

After reporting last week that Anne seriously injured one of the stunt doubles during a fight scene, Nolan talked about how Anne was really sorry and how she had already gone through 3 different Catwoman suits because the fight scenes in the movie are going to be really intense due to the fact that they're filming them with IMAX cameras which don't allow for any kind of fakes during those scenes.
However he too said that "SPOILER ALERT" Bale and Hardy will most likely go through different wardrobe malfunctions because during one scene Bane will break Batman's back, just like in Knightfall.

 

[BatScot]

IIf you are to say, like Judd Winick's version of the pit, it doesn't not resurrect those who bathe within it, merely restores them, then it is entirely based in science.

... if you are a mouse.

 

[The_Raganork]

Yeah, I edited my post. Basically, the application of telomerase would do it. It wouldn't need to be a bath though, a series injections would suffice, but it is not at all as cinematic.

I think you're doing a good job and you're getting closer; however the idea that Bruce will lay in a pit of enzymes and have his backed healed because of it seems odd.

Even more so it sounds like a cop-out. Whenever he's hurt he can run to the pit, or have Wayne Tech create something similar to it. (I suppose that's not terrible but, I wouldn't fear for Batman anymore, he's got sort of a immortality there)

It's got to be something more not that that more doesn't exist, just that I haven't seen it yet

 

[Troy_Parker]

From a poster at DCO, no links, so might be BS:

After reporting last week that Anne seriously injured one of the stunt doubles during a fight scene, Nolan talked about how Anne was really sorry and how she had already gone through 3 different Catwoman suits because the fight scenes in the movie are going to be really intense due to the fact that they're filming them with IMAX cameras which don't allow for any kind of fakes during those scenes.
However he too said that "SPOILER ALERT" Bale and Hardy will most likely go through different wardrobe malfunctions because during one scene Bane will break Batman's back, just like in Knightfall.

********. Nolan would never give a plot point like that away, even if it is obvious.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

... if you are a mouse.

You heard of evolution? And did you read how I began with "all vertebrates on Earth"?

I think you're doing a good job and you're getting closer; however the idea that Bruce will lay in a pit of enzymes and have his backed healed because of it seems odd.

I never said it wasn't odd. I just said the principles that govern the Pit are real.

Even more so it sounds like a cop-out. Whenever he's hurt he can run to the pit, or have Wayne Tech create something similar to it. (I suppose that's not terrible but, I wouldn't fear for Batman anymore, he's got sort of a immortality there)

See, this is where you need the whole "it drives you insane with prolonged exposure" thing. Unfortunately, that cannot be explained, unless it too has the whole psychotropic thing about it, like the fear gas.

 

[Boom]

Fabric is not "unrealistic" it's unhelpful and impractical. If you're being shot at, Bat-Cashmere isn't going to help you.

People are arguing the wrong points just to argue I think.

The Fabric argument should cease from coming up

Kevlar stops bullets.
Spider silk stops bullets.
Liquid armor hardens on impact. Stops bullets.
D3O hardens on impact. Stops bullets.

How exactly is any of that unhelpful and impractical?

 

[BatScot]

Fabric is not "unrealistic" it's unhelpful and impractical. If you're being shot at, Bat-Cashmere isn't going to help you.

When people bring up the idea of fabric based armor they're not talking about magical wool.

The Fabric argument should cease from coming up

Nonsense. There is liquid armor, impact hardening plates, t-shirts thin fabrics that are slash resistant, etc., and it is no great scientific leap from these sorts of real applications to some sort of fabric based armor.

 

[BatScot]

Kevlar stops bullets.
Spider silk stops bullets.
Liquid armor hardens on impact. Stops bullets.
D3O hardens on impact. Stops bullets.

How exactly is any of that unhelpful and impractical?

Exactly. It's simply a matter of taking these real world applications and applying them within a fictional narrative in some reasonable way.

 

[BatScot]

You heard of evolution? And did you read how I began with "all vertebrates on Earth"?

I have and I did; but I find both irrelevant to a story that will be told within the context of 21st century probability. If, however, by 2099 some miracle goo will allow me to return to my youth then I'll happily concede the point.

 

[The_Raganork]

You heard of evolution? And did you read how I began with "all vertebrates on Earth"?




I never said it wasn't odd. I just said the principles that govern the Pit are real.



See, this is where you need the whole "it drives you insane with prolonged exposure" thing. Unfortunately, that cannot be explained, unless it too has the whole psychotropic thing about it, like the fear gas.

Agreed, there has to be some draw back...maybe there is none or maybe we're just not thinking hard enough. Who knows.

Kevlar stops bullets.
Spider silk stops bullets.
Liquid armor hardens on impact. Stops bullets.
D3O hardens on impact. Stops bullets.

How exactly is any of that unhelpful and impractical?

When people bring up the idea of fabric based armor they're not talking about magical wool.

Nonsense. There is liquid armor, impact hardening plates, t-shirts thin fabrics that are slash resistant, etc., and it is no great scientific leap from these sorts of real applications to some sort of fabric based armor.

Exactly. It's simply a matter of taking these real world applications and applying them within a fictional narrative in some reasonable way.

Conceded. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[The_Raganork]

I have and I did; but I find both irrelevant to a story that will be told within the context of 21st century probability. If, however, by 2099 some miracle goo will allow me to return to my youth then I'll happily concede the point.

see, I never found Bacta in the Star Wars series to be so unrealistic, mostly because they didn't draw attention to it.

I CAN imagine some all purpose goo that can heal wounds...for some reason THAT seems possible to me.

Maybe it's my imagination.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I have and I did; but I find both irrelevant to a story that will be told within the context of 21st century probability. If, however, by 2099 some miracle goo will allow me to return to my youth then I'll happily concede the point.

It doesn't matter how irrelevant you find it, it is a fact. I find it irrelevant that the sun is hot, but Asia ain't gonna look like the Arctic either.

 

[Saint]

...Why is everyone talking about the Lazarus Pit today?

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Roger Ghoul's birthday?

 

[kvz5]

...Why is everyone talking about the Lazarus Pit today?

I guess because of the "Bane will break Batman's back" that resurfaced and the pics of that well with green scene in India.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Because we don't have anything better to ***** about.

Like how the new vehicle will look, or Bane's mask, or Catwoman's suit.

 

[Yurka]

:Up:

Stored in memory banks!

also...

sounds like my kind of part

Yikes.


I want Anne/Catwoman to hurt me on-screen. *please god*

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

********. Nolan would never give a plot point like that away, even if it is obvious.

Got him to give me the link. It's BS. two things, out of context and lied about Chris Nolan. However, it mentioned Anne has already gone through a few catsuits:

http://www.movieweb.com/news/anne-h...costume-during-fight-on-the-dark-knight-rises

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

This lack of news is putting everyone into a withdrawl, and fiending for bat-news. If only something worth discussing could surface today.

 

[Travesty]

...Why is everyone talking about the Lazarus Pit today?

Same reason why everybody was talking about Fox news the other day.