The Dark Knight Rises The Dark Knight Rises Info Hunters Thread - - - - - Part 1

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Whether they haven't for the past few years or not is irrelevant. The fact is they can do it. The last time I recall it being used for that purpose was bringing back Cassandra Cain. She was killed by her brother and Lady Shiva used the pit to bring her back.

Yeah, but since Infinite Crisis that may have changed. All instances since then have shown it to be rejuvenating, not resurrecting. So I would also assume they could have been retconned out.
 
I'm assuming that Bane's prison break will be shot in Pittsburgh.

I can see that happening.

Or Bane releases the prisoners to make things hell for Batman.

Is the Expo really the 14th? Why does the site say June 12 - 17?
 
Yeah, but since Infinite Crisis that may have changed. All instances since then have shown it to be rejuvenating, not resurrecting. So I would also assume they could have been retconned out.

Or since Infinite Crisis there has not been any instances where someone has died and needed to be resurrected.

There's nothing to suggest it's been retconned.
 
R'as Al Ghul came back after Infinite Crisis. But not through the Pit. Whereas Jason and R'as have said it rejuvenates. Either way, rejuvenation is plausible and based in real science. Resurrection is best left in the comics.
 
Whoa, hold up there Seabiscuit.

How many rejuvenating springs do you know of that haven't been scientifically debunked?

Wait, I've got it...Batman goes to an evangelical revival and gets his paralysis exorcised by none other than Benny Hinn. He speaks in tongues for the rest of the movie.
 
Whoa, hold up there Seabiscuit.

How many rejuvenating springs do you know of that haven't been scientifically debunked?

Wait, I've got it...Batman goes to an evangelical revival and gets his paralysis exorcised by none other than Benny Hinn. He speaks in tongues for the rest of the movie.

Way to sound like a *****eknocker.
 
It's so disappointing to come to this thread, to see at least three new pages, only to find that the pages are filled with discussions about realism.
 
Oh so Pittsburgh extra auditions were held today. That line is huge.


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That video of the line is crazy! I doubt all those people are even gonna get to audition.
 
Thanks for the info Yurka, sounds interesting...and how did your casting call go? I really wanted to go to the pittsburgh one next weekend even though I live like 7 hours away but I just don't think I can afford it.

It was fun, a ton of people but it was a good time. It's understandable not to make the long trek, I was about 8 hours away from Chicago when Dark Knight was starting production and it killed me I couldnt afford to drive over and be a part of it.


I'm assuming that Bane's prison break will be shot in Pittsburgh.

I would crap myself.
 
Under the Red Hood isn't canon. In the actual story, Superboy Prime changes reality and Jason is brought back to life, however he still suffers from all his wounds. He eventually wakes from a coma, suffering from autism, after R'as orders him to be sent away as he cannot help in his mission, Talia pushes Jason into the Pit.

I don't think he suffers from autism...
 
It was fun, a ton of people but it was a good time. It's understandable not to make the long trek, I was about 8 hours away from Chicago when Dark Knight was starting production and it killed me I couldnt afford to drive over and be a part of it.

I'm on the other end of that now. I moved from Chicago to near Boston almost 3 years ago (I was an extra in BB & TDK). Pittsburgh is a 10 hour drive and mucho bucks for me to make a trek to now. I have the time and sort of have the cash but it would put a huge dent in my wallet. I'm dying to be in this one and don't know what to do. Decisions, decisions.
 
Kevlar stops bullets.
Spider silk stops bullets.
Liquid armor hardens on impact. Stops bullets.
D3O hardens on impact. Stops bullets.

How exactly is any of that unhelpful and impractical?

but it doesn't absorb the brunt of an impact... kevlar doesn't tear, but the victim will feel the full force and will be knocked unconsicous in most cases... is that hard to see with a fabric based suit?
 
guess nothing happened today.

Those are going to be my exact words for the next couple of months the rate we're going. Haven't had anything promotional ever since the Hardy Bane picture............

*pulls out pillow and naps on desk*
 
but it doesn't absorb the brunt of an impact... kevlar doesn't tear, but the victim will feel the full force and will be knocked unconsicous in most cases... is that hard to see with a fabric based suit?
D3O is an impact protection material containing intelligent molecules that flow freely when moving but on shock lock together to absorb impact energy, instantly retuning to their flexible state. D3O does NOT go hard when hit, the molecules lock together to ABSORB and SPREAD the force, significantly reducing the effect of impact. D3O can be used in a variety of formulations, including elastomers, microcellular foams and polymers. This unique ability allows us to obtain energy dispersion in critical areas for maximum shock absorption and protection. This can be further enhanced by combining D3O with other functional materials, optimising the synergy by dual-casting or via the modification of the surface energy, providing a unique matrix of possibilities and composite solutions to deliver enhanced shock absorption qualities.
http://www.d3o.com/

This is cutting edge science. Practical science. Science that is creating products that are being used today for the very purpose for which they are intended. Now this is not to say that you can simply created a "batsuit" out of d3o. Then again, you can't create a "batsuit" out of rubber either. But none of that matters because no one is really trying to create a "batsuit"; all this nonsense is about explaining something that can only exist in fiction. The point is you can take something like d3o, or liquid armor, or spider silk, etc., etc., ect., and apply it within a fictional narrative to create the impression of a perfectly feasible and scientifically grounded batsuit that just so happens to resembles cloth more so than rubber.
 
Right now, I'm ready to see a hour special made on TLC/Discovery/History channel with a roundtable group of experts debating on how to make a practical batsuit just to put an end to all of this debate.
 
Are you specifically asking for humans knowing there have been no trials because noone would have a Benjamin button like child? Clever. Oh wait, no it's not it's idiotic as it is a genetic test and as all life on Earth has identical genetic structure and all vertebrates have identical DNA to a difference at largest 5% it works the same, but hell what do I know it is only science.
Its not your wiki-knowledge of science I question, its your common sense.

It's clear you don't have any idea how testing works for these things. I have shown you how it works, due to humans having 98% the same genome as mie and identical DNA structure it works the same.
And as it just so happens I was watching a show the other day on this very subject. Unfortunately I cannot find a link to the episode, though I seem to recall Lesley Stahl being the one who conducted the interview, which puts the show on CBS. Now to be perfectly honest I don’t remember if this was a new episode or one of those repeats that seem to be in constant cycle across a myriad of cable channels. In any case, I cannot quote the source. You can choose to dismiss what I have to say next on that point alone, frankly I couldn’t care less. The gist of the matter is this: The interview was with a doctor from the University of Edinburgh who had conducted tests on mice to study the very longevity/rejuvenation effect you have been speaking of and he found that the results in mice were remarkable. However, when the same tests were conducted on Rhesus monkeys (a much closer genetic match to humans than mice) he found no similar rejuvenation effect.

So if we're going down this road. How did the emitter work in Batman Begins? How did the fear toxin? Why didn't Two Face die within a few hour of his injury? How did his eye remain intact? Why didn't it fall out? How did he speak so clearly? How did Joker get the bombs on the boats? Why didn't the Tumbler fall through the roof of the building it jumped on when portions of it were ripped off by driving through them slowly? How does Batman support himself on the glider? How dies one batarang break several lights when thrown from above?
Are you seriously trying to equate the believability of someone being able to put a bomb on a boat to a dead man being brought back to life? Really... really? Look, bomb on a boat, tumbler on a roof, yada, yada, yada are interchangeable for all intents and purposes so let’s pick one, since only one is necessary to debunk the foundation of your entire premise.

“How did Joker get the bombs on the boats?”

Answer: He was a sneaky bastard.

Sneaky bastards exist and they do sneaky bastardly things.

Answer these and I'll come back with completed human trials (which are in process now for cancer, but are as of yet, inconclusive).
Bollocks, that is just petty posturing—if you could have answered the question then you would have done it.

Here’s the rub as far as far as telomerase goes for the justification of a Lazarus Pit: While boosting telomerase levels in mice triggered a dramatic reversal in the signs of aging the treated mice did not live longer than normal mice. So while telomerase manipulation may have the potential to keep the signs of aging at bay for a longer period of time you’re still going **** up when that time comes. But at least you’ll go out looking good, but out you go nonetheless.

Now if you’ll excuse me I have more important matters to attend to... such as debating the relative merits of a gray fabric (NOT SPANDEX!) batsuit.
 
Its not your wiki-knowledge of science I question, its your common sense.

How often does common sense apply to a comic book movie? Should I ask the guy who fights crime in an impractical manner, "beating the poor and homeless of Gotham City"?

And as it just so happens I was watching a show the other day on this very subject. Unfortunately I cannot find a link to the episode, though I seem to recall Lesley Stahl being the one who conducted the interview, which puts the show on CBS. Now to be perfectly honest I don’t remember if this was a new episode or one of those repeats that seem to be in constant cycle across a myriad of cable channels. In any case, I cannot quote the source. You can choose to dismiss what I have to say next on that point alone, frankly I couldn’t care less. The gist of the matter is this: The interview was with a doctor from the University of Edinburgh who had conducted tests on mice to study the very longevity/rejuvenation effect you have been speaking of and he found that the results in mice were remarkable. However, when the same tests were conducted on Rhesus monkeys (a much closer genetic match to humans than mice) he found no similar rejuvenation effect.

Well, I am not going to dismiss it, but I haven't seen it, so I cannot comment accurately, however, telomerase doesn't just function with the genome, it works on the outside of the genetic structure (the double helix of ACTG) so he would have seen effects akin to the mice initially, but due to the telomeres in the genome, it may have not been enough, or too much, which will cause cancer, and that is why human trials for the tissue regeneration effect are so far off. At the very least it could be about a decade. If you ever find the episode I would quite like to see it.

Are you seriously trying to equate the believability of someone being able to put a bomb on a boat to a dead man being brought back to life? Really... really? Look, bomb on a boat, tumbler on a roof, yada, yada, yada are interchangeable for all intents and purposes so let’s pick one, since only one is necessary to debunk the foundation of your entire premise.

Why, but it is not, I was asking for all those things because by the time they would have actual answers that make sense, the clinical trial for cancer will be finished, and I will have a successful human application.

“How did Joker get the bombs on the boats?”

Answer: He was a sneaky bastard.

Joker was such a sneaky bastard he single handedly moved hundreds of barrels of a flammable substance on to two boats, he couldn't have known would be used while in jail with Batman, and then escaping jail, so he could see Harvey, and then went to the Prewitt building to have Batman confront him?



Is he sneaky or is he The Flash?


Bollocks, that is just petty posturing—if you could have answered the question then you would have done it.

I can't answer it. Yet.



Here’s the rub as far as far as telomerase goes for the justification of a Lazarus Pit: While boosting telomerase levels in mice triggered a dramatic reversal in the signs of aging the treated mice did not live longer than normal mice. So while telomerase manipulation may have the potential to keep the signs of aging at bay for a longer period of time you’re still going **** up when that time comes. But at least you’ll go out looking good, but out you go nonetheless.

Where did you get that? Everywhere I looked it never revealed what happened to them.

Now if you’ll excuse me I have more important matters to attend to... such as debating the relative merits of a gray fabric (NOT SPANDEX!) batsuit.


Of course, I'll get the ball rolling. The rubber armour costumes will stick because the audience will see it and think "that's armour. Unlike us nerds who might think "why doesn't he use *insert*?". It will stick around for the aesthetic value.
 
Gosh darnit, I want to come in here and see news, not realism debates :csad:
 
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