Dark Phoenix $ The DARK PHOENIX Box Office Speculation ThreaD $

[GuestStar2004]

He was absent from X:A a number of times. While someone else here keeps posting images to prove he wasn't (they show him setting up various shots), he definitely was. Cast and crew have spoken about it to friends, and Singer was even posting online about his various extended vacations.

And whats worse its so easy. all i need to do is type into google is "Bryan singer behind the scenes apocalypse"

 

[psylockolussus]

I can easily see this one doing more than Apocalypse. Its not that hard after all lol.
XMA was one the lowest bo cbm hits of last years, so if Dark phoenix trailers are much better, with more impressive shots, firebird, flying mutants, new costumes and all.... the audience may be more interested than in Apocalypse.

after all Xma had mutants in back costumes doing not so great things int he trailers, so it would be pretty easy to top that with XDP trailers/spots. And general audience now is a bit more familiar with this young X-Men, after watching it on dvd or tv, so that might help a bit too. It doesnt matter if they arent big stars yet, tv airings and dvd probably brought new viewers, young viewers too, and may go to the theatre next time around.

I woulnd be surprised if it makes $600m, tbh.

Avengers, Deadpool, New Mutants, Black Panther, Wasp, Venom and Aquaman are also coming out next year. And I think some people might prefer to just wait for Aquaman or the 2019 movies to get their CBM dose. And every year, there's a couple of films/franchises that underperform at the box office. Dark Phoenix seems to be the likely candidate for next year.

And what this film needed in the first place is a creative change. Kinberg isn't. And since when a franchise got better by keeping the creative team from its predecessor (that was reviewed badly) and was left unscathed for the sequel? I cant think of any. Maybe those low budgeted thrillers like the Purge. Even Kinberg got a break from writing right after X3. It took him 8 years to be credited as a writer of a X-Men film.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

We've been over and over this, it's getting exhausting!

His no-show behaviour on X:A (and also Superman Returns) was confirmed by the Hollywood Reporter when it wrote of Singer's "unexpected availability" on Bohemian Rhapsody.

He was absent from X:A a number of times. While someone else here keeps posting images to prove he wasn't (they show him setting up various shots), he definitely was. Cast and crew have spoken about it to friends, and Singer was even posting online about his various extended vacations.

J-Law spoke of chaos on set for X:A, in contrast to the smooth running of the Dark Phoenix production. The reports of Bohemian Rhapsody spoke of chaos on that set.

I think even when Singer was there, his heart wasn't in it as much as it should have been. It was a bit of a rudderless ship. Either he didn't like the story, or he was otherwise occupied.

Sorry for bringing it up again then. I legitimately didn't know. Just about the sexual abuse allegations against him.

 

[psylockolussus]

What is the benefit of DP going wrong now? It would tarnish the name for X-Men if it did and dampen hype for a MCU X-Men film debut.

If there's 1 benefit, it would be to tarnish Simon Kinberg's credibility and keep him out of these X-Men films especially as a writer. Sorry not sorry, but it irks me that he's still around for these X-Men films and now directing. What in the fresh limbo?

And personally speaking, I don't need a First Class Five.

 

[Snikt]

Sorry for bringing it up again then. I legitimately didn't know. Just about the sexual abuse allegations against him.

You what though, it shows in the film. You can tell Singer wasn't all that into Apocalypse. When he puts his heart and hard work into it, you get X1, X2 and DOFP.

Which is why I'm excited for Dark Phoenix. Because just from reading, it sounds like a more smoothly run set, and it sounds like Kinberg was genuinely excited and proud to take the reigns of he next X-Men film.

It really comes down to this: If the film is good, it will perform well. If it sucks or is mixed, it won't.

Apocalypse is a prime example, it didn't make as much as DOFP because it honestly wasn't as good of a film. Reviews were released early enough and they weren't glowing like DOFP, Deadpool or Logan.

X3 should've been the first to break the $500 million WW barrier, but again, it wasn't as good of a film as X2.

It helps too that FOX doesn't spend $300 million on these films. Apocalypse was till able to make a profit due to it having a smaller budget than DOFP.

Not sure what the budget is for Dark Phoenix, so that will come into play as well.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Not sure what the budget is for Dark Phoenix, so that will come into play as well.

It was said to be $150 mil but i don't remember where that information came from.

 

[Snikt]

It was said to be $150 mil but i don't remember where that information came from.

Ok. So if that's true, at $500 million WW, it will turn a profit.

Some call Fox cheap, but I think they're smart with their spending. Marvel Studios is too. They spend the right amount on the right films. $250-$300 million is perfect for Civil War/Avengers. But that's too much for Winter Soldier or Thor 2.

So, i'm not worried about Dark Phoenix's box office.

 

[Sithborg]

It was said to be $150 mil but i don't remember where that information came from.

I have been tossing around $150 as a safe guess.

 

[psylockolussus]

I wouldn't be surprised if they say it had a budget of $120 million. Anyway, these are the blockbuster under performers or flops in the last three years

2017
Justice League, Pirates V, Power Rangers, Ghost in the Shell, Baywatch, Transformers V, Planet of the Apes III, Blade Runner II, Alien, The Mummy, Ninjago, Underworld V, King Arthur and the Dark Tower.

2016
X-Men, Bourne V, Ghostbusters, Tarzan, Independence Day II, Passengers, Assassin's Creed, Warcraft, Ice Age V, TMNT II, Alice II, Pete's Dragon, The Bfg, Divergent III, Huntsman II, The 5th Wave, Inferno, Zoolander II and Ben-Hur.

2015
Fantastic Four, The Good Dinosaur, Terminator V, Tomorrowland, Alvin and the Chipmunks IV, Ted II, Magic Mike II, Joy, Jupiter Ascending, Victor Frankenstein, Pan, Hitman and the Man of Uncle.

I'd be surprised if Dark Phoenix doesn't perform like those films at the box office.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I have been tossing around $150 as a safe guess.

Well this article here is what claimed it was $150 mil

The mayor was also sure to add that out of the new X-Men film’s $150 million budget, $75-$80 million are being invested back into the City of Montreal.

https://www.mtlblog.com/whats-happe...-montreals-mount-royal-for-the-rest-of-summer

 

[psylockolussus]

You what though, it shows in the film. You can tell Singer wasn't all that into Apocalypse. When he puts his heart and hard work into it, you get X1, X2 and DOFP.

Which is why I'm excited for Dark Phoenix. Because just from reading, it sounds like a more smoothly run set, and it sounds like Kinberg was genuinely excited and proud to take the reigns of he next X-Men film.

It really comes down to this: If the film is good, it will perform well. If it sucks or is mixed, it won't.

Apocalypse is a prime example, it didn't make as much as DOFP because it honestly wasn't as good of a film. Reviews were released early enough and they weren't glowing like DOFP, Deadpool or Logan.

X3 should've been the first to break the $500 million WW barrier, but again, it wasn't as good of a film as X2.

It helps too that FOX doesn't spend $300 million on these films. Apocalypse was till able to make a profit due to it having a smaller budget than DOFP.

X3 still opened big though. Its legs killed it for earning over $500 million but it was still the 4th highest grossing film of 2006 domestically and 7th worldwide. And was the highest grossing X-Men film at the time.

Apocalypse couldn't come close despite earning more than$500 million especially if we take consideration price inflation and China. Like if we removed the China numbers from X3/Apocalypse. Apocalypse didn't outgross X3 worldwide.

 

[Hand Banana]

I think even when Singer was there, his heart wasn't in it as much as it should have been. It was a bit of a rudderless ship. Either he didn't like the story, or he was otherwise occupied.

Well it seems the studio stole Wolverine’s role and gave it to Mystique.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well it seems the studio stole Wolverine’s role and gave it to Mystique.

I imagine if it was the studio Wolverine would have had a much bigger role in the story.

 

[Hand Banana]

I imagine if it was the studio Wolverine would have had a much bigger role in the story.

It’s most likely the studio. In interviews they talk about other characters more than Mystique. There is also the marketing for the film.

As I have already said earlier The Wolverine didn’t make a lot money compared to other X-films.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It’s most likely the studio. In interviews they talk about other characters more than Mystique. There is also the marketing for the film.

As I have already said earlier The Wolverine didn’t make a lot money compared to other X-films.

Whether The Wolverine made that much money it doesn't change that jackman as Wolverine is more up there with RDJ as iron man.

He had played the role for 16 years at the time and was leaving the role that following year.

Which i imagine wasn't something the studio would have encouraged but it was jackmans choice.

 

[X-Maniac]

Well it seems the studio stole Wolverine’s role and gave it to Mystique.

Is Singer that devoted to Wolverine, lol?

Of course we know Wolverine was originally going to be in Act 3. It was speculated he would be a horseman, but he could well have been with the young X-Men (though i don't see why he would be as invested in stopping Apocalypse).

It explains why the Weapon X scene in the middle is a bit of a needless diversion.

Hutch Parker did say the script for X:A was evolving while they were shooting. Sounds like more chaos!

 

[Hand Banana]

Is Singer that devoted to Wolverine, lol?

Of course we know Wolverine was originally going to be in Act 3. It was speculated he would be a horseman, but he could well have been with the young X-Men (though i don't see why he would be as invested in stopping Apocalypse).

It explains why the Weapon X scene in the middle is a bit of a needless diversion.

Hutch Parker did say the script for X:A was evolving while they were shooting. Sounds like more chaos!

Hugh was leaving the role soon. So I wouldn’t be surprised if he wanted to work with him one last time and help promote his final film.

 

[SumT]

Hutch Parker did say the script for X:A was evolving while they were shooting. Sounds like more chaos!

sad it didnt evolve into the X-Men having better roles and screentime

 

[Hand Banana]

sad it didnt evolve into the X-Men having better roles and screentime

They actually had much more screentime than the previous films.

 

[SumT]

yeah, Storm had a bigger role than in X3.
and Angel had an awesome role, same as Psylocke, and finally Jubilee was made justice, being an actual member during the movie and finally in action

 

[EnDz0n3]

Yes, but if Dark Phoenix turns out to actually be a good movie, against all expectation, it will be where they have to draw the hate from. I mean Iron Man 2 kind of tried to do Demon in the Bottle without the Demon in the Bottle. Thor: Ragnarok did the tragedy of Ragnarok, as an inspirational comedy. But you know, it is Marvel, so we are not going to talk about that.

X2 did God Loves Man Kills. With a non-Reverend Stryker and a non-Anne Reynolds henchwoman.

Most people on here love that movie. It's my favorite movie.

Ditto First Class, DOFP, Deadpool and Logan.

Sounds like your post about fans doesn't fit with reality.

And whats worse its so easy. all i need to do is type into google is "Bryan singer behind the scenes apocalypse"

You should google Roy Moore not dating a 14 year old girl. There's probably many pictures of that.

To stay on topic, I think as long as they release pics that excite the fans with the X-men in non-black costumes and no faux pas likes Ew Purple Apocalypse pics, they should do better than at least the opening weekend for Apocalypse. The bigger question is how the eventual quality of the film and its reviews will affect the legs in the box office.

 

[GuestStar2004]

You should google Roy Moore not dating a 14 year old girl. There's probably many pictures of that.

I don't care enough to find out.

 

[Hand Banana]

I can see Disney giving a half assed campaign for Dark Phoenix, as it doesn't benefit MCU in the long run. And who knows they probably don't think it would do well in the first place so I don't see them putting much effort into the marketing.

Disney won’t be able to touch any Fox property until at least 2019.

If the deal goes through, it likely wouldn’t close until late 2018. Disney would then spend much of 2019 integrating the two companies’ assets, including cable-television networks, international TV distributors and a film and television studio.

Well we know, the cast of First Class/Apocalypse didn't resonate much with the public as much as the beloved original cast.

And the underperformance of Justice League should be an eye opener. If the predecessor sucked, it's more likely that the sequel would do worse or open lower at the box office (see The Last Knight, the Road Trip, Collision Course and Salazar's Revenge) and the like those movies, this is coming from a franchise that has been showing audience fatigue in different periods.

The difference is Apocalypse had mixed reception rather than terrible. Most people just found underwhelming and forgettable. BvS is a movie with legs comparable to Ang Lee’s Hulk without competition, was nominated and won several razzies. Ect...

And as already stated Logan was a follow-up to the Weapon X stuff in Apocalypse and the movie that was teased in the post-credit scene. Yet it had a better opening than Apocalypse did. The franchise has survived worst with Origins having the worse legs in the franchise.

 

[DACrowe]

X2 did God Loves Man Kills. With a non-Reverend Stryker and a non-Anne Reynolds henchwoman.

Most people on here love that movie. It's my favorite movie.

Ditto First Class, DOFP, Deadpool and Logan.

Sounds like your post about fans doesn't fit with reality.

I have seen nothing but kvetching on this board about FC and DOFP, especially regarding Mystique but also Havok, the emphasis on Xavier and all the rest, ever since the prospect of Disney buying X-Men surfaced.

If Dark Phoenix is good, I promise you the usual suspects will dig into the changes to a nitpicky degree if that is the only leg they have t stand on. Psylocolossus has already promised to do exactly that for it and New Mutants, so...

 

[DACrowe]

I personally like it. I just understand where some like DACrowe do not.

Thanks and yes. I also don't think it is an either or. I would say TDKT has the greatest amount of character development and progression in any superhero franchise, and each of those three movies were standalone tales (Rises less so, but it was still its own beast). Yet combined, it helped give Bale's Bruce Wayne a richer arc than any superhero onscreen to date.

Assuming the Disney deal goes through, then whether DP is successful or not is of no consequence. Marvel will reboot, period. Marvel or bust fans won't care because they will have already gotten what they wanted.

As for me, I will be pleasantly surprised if it turns out to be great and be there to see it. I am just highly skeptical given Kinberg's track record. He has earned no benefit of a doubt. But if he pulls it off, then great.

I agree to a point. If the movie is good and makes money, those who got what they wanted will ignore it, period. If it is good and doesn't make money (or is bad and doesn't make money), they'll be crowing until the cows come home.