Dark Phoenix $ The DARK PHOENIX Box Office Speculation ThreaD $

[DACrowe]

Every comic and every episode of the animated series did not focus on Charles and Erik.

It's foolish, repetitive and tedious to make their ideologies the focus of every movie.

The films have seriously overdone some of these underlying ideas. We need a breath of fresh air. Thankfully, the Disney takeover will eventually provide that.

Beyond the thankful for a Disney takeover part, I agree with this. It is reductive to do it again and again. I think it worked for FC to explore its origins, and as Days of Future Past contrasted them through the ages, it also worked. But by Apocalypse it was like going in a circle. I think if Magneto had sat out Apocalypse, folks would be more keen on seeing what he has been up to on Kenosha in Dark Phoenix, especially as he is not going to be the antagonist in it. However, Kinberg's love for Fassbender's admittedly wonderful performance meant overusing it until we had diminished results.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Beyond the thankful for a Disney takeover part, I agree with this. It is reductive to do it again and again. I think it worked for FC to explore its origins, and as Days of Future Past contrasted them through the ages, it also worked. But by Apocalypse it was like going in a circle. I think if Magneto had sat out Apocalypse, folks would be more keen on seeing what he has been up to on Kenosha in Dark Phoenix, especially as he is not going to be the antagonist in it. However, Kinberg's love for Fassbender's admittedly wonderful performance meant overusing it until we had diminished results.

your resonding to mcu fanatic.who is cheering on end of x-men CU.i have to disagree with you on this.first class was trilogy.anyone thinking magneto would ever sit out last part of trilogy was being naive or foolish.

at least while i like apocalypse and you hate it your not one who is like screw Fox and X-menCU.and can see downsides to it.

it's possable magneto dies in dark phoenix so this could be fassbender's swan song even films had continued.I look forward to seeing genosha make it to screen.and while people are loathe to admit it it's clear kinberg is contuning as apocalypse did of being more ocmic booky.hell i based on ew article got 1990's animated vibes with how they are doing jean becoming phoenix.

 

[EnDz0n3]

So you go from calling *people that disagree with your posts X-men haters and getting banned for it, to calling them MCU fanatics? What do you think will happen now?

*People that have been here longer than the MCU has been around, no less.

 

[X-Maniac]

your resonding to mcu fanatic.who is cheering on end of x-men CU.i have to disagree with you on this.first class was trilogy.anyone thinking magneto would ever sit out last part of trilogy was being naive or foolish.

at least while i like apocalypse and you hate it your not one who is like screw Fox and X-menCU.and can see downsides to it.

it's possable magneto dies in dark phoenix so this could be fassbender's swan song even films had continued.I look forward to seeing genosha make it to screen.and while people are loathe to admit it it's clear kinberg is contuning as apocalypse did of being more ocmic booky.hell i based on ew article got 1990's animated vibes with how they are doing jean becoming phoenix.

LOL.. Firstly, I am not an MCU fanatic. But I think it's the right time for the MCU to take a fresh look at the X-Men and make something new that does not involve a silent Storm and an overemphasis on Jennifer Lawrence. We need more ethnic diversity, more character balance, more use of the classic X-Men, and something more representative of the source material.

I do not recognise the version of the X-Men in Fox's films.

And all this 'trilogy' talk is nonsense in this day and age. They should think far more freely rather than cramming a character in a story because it's a trilogy.

Magneto could have easily had a far lesser role in X:A, Storm could have had more dialogue, as could Psylocke and Jubilee. That could have gone some way to making a more balanced film.

In DoFP, Wolverine made sure to mention 'Jean, Scott and Storm' and yet Xavier forgot all that in X:A and couldn't care less. This version of Xavier is a total drip. And now in Dark Phoenix, he's going to get all big-headed and full of pride about the X-Men being heroes. Is he deranged or something? The whole thing is so skewed and off, it's like a concert where someone is singing in the wrong key all the time.

No mention of Storm in the EW coverage. So we should prepare for the worst. And probably get the worst.

Fox is clueless about how to handle this franchise. It just picks and chooses one or two things, casts a star actor, then the rest are just the backdrop it all plays out against. Enough is enough!

And no matter your endless ranting, the end is coming. So you better get used to it. It's like watching the final flailings of a dying dinosaur when reading the 'Fox defenders' on this board; we ALL know they have screwed up big time.

 

[SumT]

oh lord, nooo. is it all of this back?

 

[Zarex]

Dark Phoenix will make eleventy billion dollars, and Kevin Feige will be begging for Kinberg to run the MCU and bring JLaw and the rest of the FOX Men with him.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't think that's possible.

 

[SumT]

I don't think that's possible.

Its called sarcasm psy

 

[DACrowe]

I actually suspect most general audience members don't really care (or think about) whether the MCU will reboot X-Men or not. If they have heard about it at all and recall it by next November, it will be "Oh yeah, the X-Men will be in Avengers movies."

In other words, I don't think the deal will hurt or help the box office that much with general audiences. Now with hardcore fans (ahem, looks around this forum)... yeah. I think the hype is "decimated." So it will be on Fox to a) deliver a quality movie; b) cut some snappy marketing to it; and c) if at least the first half above works roll it out well with critics. If so, it could do probably solid business. Around Apocalypse or a little more. But I do not see the hype being strong with it now.

 

[psylockolussus]

We live in the social media age now, things like Disney merging with Fox and Disney making a X-Men movie in the future are factors that shouldn't be dismissed. And of course this isn't also a MCU film.

You are also forgetting that this is a sequel to a movie that under performed and weren't so well received. The only way for this to be a success is if it ends up as a good film and that it feels fresh to the public and I doubt those things are happening.

 

[DACrowe]

You are correct on the part about Apocalypse will hurt this. That is why it would need to be good, have good marketing, and good reviews to overcome its hurdles.

I agree it is an uphill battle. I was just commenting that I think fanboys really overestimate how much our opinion and "hype" affects box office. If it did, The Last Jedi would have seen its box office shrink Friday to Saturday and then Saturday to Sunday. Instead, it has only grown (it also reminds me how echoy the online chamber is, because I quite liked TLJ but on fan Twitter it is being lumped in with The Phantom Menace). And I can vouch that folks who only keep vaguely aware of superhero movies but still see them are not that in tuned with the idea of an "X-Men MCU reboot" now, much less in 11 months. Not least of all when said reboot is probably years off.

I am saying that while the fan audience (which is probably more important for X-Men than SW given its smaller crowd) is up in arms against this movie no matter what at this point, the general audience will go to see it almost entirely based on the marketing and reception.

So do well, Fox and Kinberg or pay the price.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Sometimes we are a smaller part of a much bigger world.

 

[Iceman]

I quite liked TLJ but on fan Twitter it is being lumped in with The Phantom Menace.

What an exaggeration!

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I don't think the Star Wars comparisons really apply here. That's a gigantic, multi-billion dollar franchise. X-Men is not. This film's immediate predecessor was poorly received and couldn't even gross $160 million domestic/$550 million world wide on a $180 million budget. Both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi blew past that in two days. They didn't even need the whole weekend.

Even aside from the whole buyout business, this is a franchise that is already in a poor spot to begin with.

 

[GuestStar2004]

This franchise has had its ups and downs so where you have a poor movie you either have a good one previously or even after.

Audiences probably ain't looking at apocalypse as the voice of the FOXverse since FC/DOFP are still very well received movies, followed by deadpool, followed by Logan and then of course you have another 2 movies coming out before Phoenix next year so it depends how they are received too.

 

[DACrowe]

I don't think the Star Wars comparisons really apply here. That's a gigantic, multi-billion dollar franchise. X-Men is not. This film's immediate predecessor was poorly received and couldn't even gross $160 million domestic/$550 million world wide on a $180 million budget. Both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi blew past that in two days. They didn't even need the whole weekend.

Even aside from the whole buyout business, this is a franchise that is already in a poor spot to begin with.

That's not my point though. My point is that the idea that fanboys rooting against this movie or swearing they have zero interest in it because the potential MCU reboot has a marginal effect at best on the box office. The money and WOM doesn't come from what the fanboys obsess over online, especially about films years away, but from factors that actually influence larger audiences.

Which is to say, yes Apocalypse being mediocre is a far bigger negative impact on the fate of Dark Phoenix's box office than a fraction of the audience writing, "hype: decimated." It still is facing problems, and to overcome those it will have to deliver in a big way on multiple fronts.

I am just disputing the "this movie is DOA because MCU."

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

That's not my point though. My point is that the idea that fanboys rooting against this movie or swearing they have zero interest in it because the potential MCU reboot has a marginal effect at best on the box office. The money and WOM doesn't come from what the fanboys obsess over online, especially about films years away, but from factors that actually influence larger audiences.

Which is to say, yes Apocalypse being mediocre is a far bigger negative impact on the fate of Dark Phoenix's box office than a fraction of the audience writing, "hype: decimated." It still is facing problems, and to overcome those it will have to deliver in a big way on multiple fronts.

I am just disputing the "this movie is DOA because MCU."

Fair enough.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I am not gonna lie. I wish this movie hadn't been made. I wish the Disney purchase of FOX would've happened a year earlier so maybe we could've saved another cinematic telling of the Dark Phoenix Saga for the MCU version, which could've had the Shi'ar and the Hellfire Club and other important elements that made that such a classic story in the comics.

Instead we are gonna get a version where the Hellfire Club are dead (First Class) and Mystique being one of the X-Men (because we needed Jennifer Lawrence to play the part one more time) and Magneto being shoehorned into it.

I have to admit it. Marvel getting the rights back pretty much killed any real excitement I had for this (which was lukewarm anyway after Apocalypse).

Edit: As for the box office, I don't know if my feelings on it will be similar to the mass audience or not. But I think this movie will have to be REALLY good to get any real traction. The core X-Men movies are lagging behind the Deadpool and Logan type movies in terms of box office and relevance.

 

[psylockolussus]

You are correct on the part about Apocalypse will hurt this. That is why it would need to be good, have good marketing, and good reviews to overcome its hurdles.

I agree it is an uphill battle. I was just commenting that I think fanboys really overestimate how much our opinion and "hype" affects box office. If it did, The Last Jedi would have seen its box office shrink Friday to Saturday and then Saturday to Sunday. Instead, it has only grown (it also reminds me how echoy the online chamber is, because I quite liked TLJ but on fan Twitter it is being lumped in with The Phantom Menace). And I can vouch that folks who only keep vaguely aware of superhero movies but still see them are not that in tuned with the idea of an "X-Men MCU reboot" now, much less in 11 months. Not least of all when said reboot is probably years off.

I am saying that while the fan audience (which is probably more important for X-Men than SW given its smaller crowd) is up in arms against this movie no matter what at this point, the general audience will go to see it almost entirely based on the marketing and reception.

So do well, Fox and Kinberg or pay the price.

Well I don't even know why you are comparing a X-Men film to a freaking Star Wars film? They are in a different state. The Force Awakens is the box office peak of the franchise, while Logan/Apocalypse didn't even outgross Dofp - while Deadpool isn't even 100% X-Men as it's just a character that Fox managed to get from.a different studio.

What's next Jurassic World: lost Kingdom, Incredbiles 2, Solo?

Well we had Planet of the Apes this year, it was good and underperformed at the box office. Should we compare X-Men to every blockbuster out there especially this one has the potential to be a stinker again.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I am not gonna lie. I wish this movie hadn't been made. I wish the Disney purchase of FOX would've happened a year earlier so maybe we could've saved another cinematic telling of the Dark Phoenix Saga for the MCU version, which could've had the Shi'ar and the Hellfire Club and other important elements that made that such a classic story in the comics.

Instead we are gonna get a version where the Hellfire Club are dead (First Class) and Mystique being one of the X-Men (because we needed Jennifer Lawrence to play the part one more time) and Magneto being shoehorned into it.

I have to admit it. Marvel getting the rights back pretty much killed any real excitement I had for this (which was lukewarm anyway after Apocalypse).

Edit: As for the box office, I don't know if my feelings on it will be similar to the mass audience or not. But I think this movie will have to be REALLY good to get any real traction. The core X-Men movies are lagging behind the Deadpool and Logan type movies in terms of box office and relevance.

Yeah, agreed. This movie feels so unnecessary, so pointless. But hardcore fans of the Fox XCU get one more movie so good for them. The rest of the fandom will need to wait a bit longer to get a different type of X-Men film.

 

[psylockolussus]

IMO, they made the wrong move by making the Dofp sequel feature the younger version. And since they've already committed with that and since Apocalypse wasn't a total bomb. They are just doing business as usual by making a sequel. But this scenario is eXactly how studios have ran their franchises into the ground in the past. The domino effect is in full display.

Luckily, we have MCU's X-Men to look forward to in the not so distant future.

 

[Abudefduf]

I wanted to vote "exactly 400 millions worldwide", but the poll doesn't give me that option.

 

[psylockolussus]

We'll just take note of that when the film only earned $400 million worldwide.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Was Ordet banned?

 

[GuestStar2004]

It doesn't say he was banned.

Honestly a poll like this would be better after the teaser/trailer and marketing has began since thats gonna be what either attracts or detracts people.

If we went by The Wolverines Box office as an example for Logan then it probably wouldn't have made as much as it did.