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[Milk Tray Guy]

I guess with all the 'adjustments' they've made along the way still not really giving them what they wanted, they've decided the only way to approach this is to be utterly ruthless. Not a criticism - this is after all a business first and foremost.

 

[blackdragon6]

I figured some of the claims regarding Patty was probably BS.

 

[TheVileOne]

That was a pretty classy statement by Patty Jenkins considering she didn't and probably shouldn't have said anything at all. She doesn't even trash WB or throw them under the bus.

 

[TheVileOne]

I figured some of the claims regarding Patty was probably BS.

I'm sure they were. People are definitely out to get her and trying to hurt her reputation.

Look at how people talked about Lord and Miller when Kathleen Kennedy fired them.

It was likely people with agendas trying to save face or make them look bad.

 

[Boom]

Blow it all up, Gunn.

 

[Invader Joker]

That was a pretty classy statement by Patty Jenkins considering she didn't and probably shouldn't have said anything at all. She doesn't even trash WB or throw them under the bus.

It was probably made with WBD approval. Wouldn't be surprised if James retweets.

 

[TheScarecrow]

If anything, this confirms a hard reboot.

It also confirms the trade have really dropped their reporting standards.

Very classy statement from Jenkins. She's obviously hurt professionally at the moment but has maintained her dignity.

 

[TheVileOne]

I ultimately still blame the stupid day and date release strategy which sabotaged a lot of these movies. Should not have happened.

Could you imagine Top Gun Maverick releasing day and date? Does anyone really believe it still would've done as well?

 

[samsnee]

I know it sucks because there are some positives. And Gunn is obviously behind Peacemaker. But this frankenstein’s monster continuity has to end.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm fine if they start from scratch. It's probably for the best.

Here's the problem. They still have Flash and Aquaman coming out next year. Also, Blue Beetle.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

It needs a clear, logical plan from the beginning, by people who don't just like these characters (and the worlds they live in), but who understand them.

 

[spiderdan83]

Star Wars already tried this with hella mixed results tho.

Hmm, I feel Star Wars had a large, diverse enough pool to chose from - I feel it can limit dc, but we'll see - somethings are prime for animation, live action etc so we'll see.

I would love a few tv shows that tie in the movies, with quality in writing that doesn't negate the other - just wondering if the demand is there - def seems like matt Reeves is tapping into that for the bat world.

 

[TheVileOne]

Hmm, I feel Star Wars had a large, diverse enough pool to chose from - I feel it can limit dc, but we'll see - somethings are prime for animation, live action etc so we'll see.

I would love a few tv shows that tie in the movies, with quality in writing that doesn't negate the other - just wondering if the demand is there - def seems like matt Reeves is tapping into that for the bat world.

I can't see Matt Reeves wanting to do shared universe DC comic stuff.

 

[spiderdan83]

I'm fine if they start from scratch. It's probably for the best.

Here's the problem. They still have Flash and Aquaman coming out next year. Also, Blue Beetle.

Yup, that's how I look at it... however, I guess it wouldn't hurt if they start producing movies in 2023 to come out 2025 where it starts fresh... the GA are fickle like that and easily able to move on if the movies are good..

 

[Vlyse]

Cancelling WW and Aquaman’s trilogies would be insane to me. Aquaman grossed more than any DC movie.

The hard reboot can wait. I don’t understand the rush.

 

[spiderdan83]

I can't see Matt Reeves wanting to do shared universe DC comic stuff.

Nope, I doubt he'd be too happy to share his universe or merge. His penguin show, the other rumoured ones and future movies all need to stay separate but then that flies in the face of what Gunn wants ultimately.

Then there's also the Joker sequel.

It's a headache for Gunn, but a fun one.

 

[Invader Joker]

Cancelling WW and Aquaman’s trilogies would be insane to me. Aquaman grossed more than any DC movie.

The hard reboot can wait. I don’t understand the rush.

Nah, it can't. It's already been almost 10 years of this atrocious current DCEU. The longer it goes on the worse it'll be for everyone.

 

[TheScarecrow]

What’s the point of continuing to build when you’re going to end it eventually?

Also there are clearly diminishing returns for the franchise as a whole.

 

[spiderdan83]

What’s the point of continuing to build when you’re going to end it eventually?

Also there are clearly diminishing returns for the franchise as a whole.

I feel it's a weird one, on one hand, a hard reboot will disappoint those on the Cavill and DCEU train - I know I was happy for him to return, simply because he looks the part, he's a nice guy and I liked MOS.
However, a reset, recast could blow us all out the water.

For my money, I would retcon the the DCEU into the DCU.

The Flash movie resets it, have a post credit sequence where we see the pov of someone waking up - they are in a familiar room, it's Barry Allen's room, the flash suit is on the floor, the tv is on showing the news of a classic superman rescue. He gets ups and notices he 'feels' different as he puts it away - he moves different, he doesn't recognise his hands - he hears an inside voice, like his inner monologue - that even sounds different to him... he looks into the reflection of the TV as Superman addresses the crowd and says something hopeful and instantly Barry doesn't recognize his silhouette on the glass - he flashes to a mirror and stares in disbelief - he's a different Barry Allen. Recast done.

As a side note, earlier in the movie we see a scene in the speedforce with a reshot scene where we see multiple Barry Allens and this one is also out there - so this is the face/body he resumes in once the universe are merged.

Then, we have a booster gold movie and he breaks the fourth fall of sorts and we learn that the timelines were changed, thanks to the events of flash and that's why he has to obey strict time travel rules and that everything has merged into one universe - the dceu, the Burton verse, the arrow verse etc Just ignore the Pattison verse for now.

Then movie forward with the DCU fresh and pump out good movies. People will enjoy good movies, period.

 

[TheScarecrow]

I feel it's a weird one, on one hand, a hard reboot will disappoint those on the Cavill and DCEU train - I know I was happy for him to return, simply because he looks the part, he's a nice guy and I liked MOS.
However, a reset, recast could blow us all out the water.

For my money, I would retcon the the DCEU into the DCU.

The Flash movie resets it, have a post credit sequence where we see the pov of someone waking up - they are in a familiar room, it's Barry Allen's room, the flash suit is on the floor, the tv is on showing the news of a classic superman rescue. He gets ups and notices he 'feels' different as he puts it away - he moves different, he doesn't recognise his hands - he hears an inside voice, like his inner monologue - that even sounds different to him... he looks into the reflection of the TV as Superman addresses the crowd and says something hopeful and instantly Barry doesn't recognize his silhouette on the glass - he flashes to a mirror and stares in disbelief - he's a different Barry Allen. Recast done.

As a side note, earlier in the movie we see a scene in the speedforce with a reshot scene where we see multiple Barry Allens and this one is also out there - so this is the face/body he resumes in once the universe are merged.

Then, we have a booster gold movie and he breaks the fourth fall of sorts and we learn that the timelines were changed, thanks to the events of flash and that's why he has to obey strict time travel rules and that everything has merged into one universe - the dceu, the Burton verse, the arrow verse etc Just ignore the Pattison verse for now.

Then movie forward with the DCU fresh and pump out good movies. People will enjoy good movies, period.

Problem is that you can reboot in continuity, but not with the audience.

People are done with the future of this franchise. It's like Fantastic Beasts. You can't get something back on track once people have tuned out. Once people are tuned out they're tuned out. You have to start fresh to bring people back.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

I wish Patty well.



I still love the original Wonder Woman. I fondly recall attending an early screening of it before it was released and how electric the atmosphere was. Everyone was pumped after seeing it.

Her/Gal's Wonder Woman was one of the few bright spots for me during the DCEU run.

 

[Frodo]

I figured the claims against Jenkins were pure BS , and I'm glad she's come out to give her said of the story.

 

[spiderdan83]

Problem is that you can reboot in continuity, but not with the audience.

People are done with the future of this franchise. It's like Fantastic Beasts. You can't get something back on track once people have tuned out. Once people are tuned out they're tuned out. You have to start fresh to bring people back.

Yeah, I agree to an extent, I think Black Adam is a good example of this, it surprised me how the box office went, obviously no china hurt but still.

I do think a well received superman movie can redeem itself and go a long way to restoring the ill word.. Aquaman is still very popular too.

Aquaman, Shazam! 2 and flash can turn the tide but if those movies bomb then it's game over.

 

[TheScarecrow]

Yeah, I agree to an extent, I think Black Adam is a good example of this, it surprised me how the box office went, obviously no china hurt but still.

I do think a well received superman movie can redeem itself and go a long way to restoring the ill word.. Aquaman is still very popular too.

Aquaman, Shazam! 2 and flash can turn the tide but if those movies bomb then it's game over.

It's a very different theatrical world now compared to 2018 and 2019.

People need to be given a real reason to show up to the cinema. I'd be shocked if The Flash or Aquaman are break outs. Also don't forget that Aquaman 1 owes nearly a third of its original gross to a market it only has a 50/50 chance of opening in this time (if that).

I hope it's a success, but this franchise just feels like its going to go out on a whimper. Even three months ago I held a different view, but this exhausting fanbase has just killed any enthusiasm for the franchise on my part.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Cancelling WW and Aquaman’s trilogies would be insane to me. Aquaman grossed more than any DC movie.

The hard reboot can wait. I don’t understand the rush.

It'll probably be more of a soft reboot in the sense that certain characters and elements from the current continuity will carry over to the new one. I don't see Gunn recasting Peacemaker, for instance. Various actors from TSS may also reprise their roles at some point in the near future. (Loosely related — with Marvel's GotG franchise coming to a close soon, expect to see those guys show up in the nascent DCU as well.) As far as Wonder Woman is concerned, the 2020 sequel doesn't leave us with any loose threads really so as to warrant a follow-up. Aquaman 2 is still on the way, and Momoa himself hinted at bigger and better things to come. Whether that's in the form of a reprisal as Aquaman or a new character like Lobo, money's gonna be made either way.

I don't really see it as rushing. From a purely business perspective, the studio isn't where they want to be right now. Marvel is crushing them in the competition with their event films and such. And while it might seem futile as hell to replicate that kind of success, Warners will never stop trying. Never. Hypothetically speaking, if Zaslav fails in his endeavor to relaunch the franchise, another regime will eventually take over and try to do the same thing. Rinse, repeat. That's just how corporations are run. Competition is paramount.