Why Can't DC Get it right? - Part 2

[Black Narcissus]

MCU aint campy, but they have replaced some of their tension with humor...to my distaste. I prefer the mcu netflix universe as well.

I also want Birdman and BW to die, but that is for another thread.

 

[Luke234]

It passed winter soldier too? Wow.

 

[Luke234]

I know this one! Slightly worse.

Not bad! Nice.

 

[Luke234]

Was guardians also not released in China?

 

[The Joker]

Iron Man 3 made more money than TDK. You hear that? The fans have spoken. IM3 >>> TDK.

It passed winter soldier too? Wow.

Luke, seriously I don't get what you are wowing about? The likes of Iron Man 3 surpassed Winter Soldier, too, and most of the MCU, as well as all the DCEU movies. Not to mention TDK. In your view does this make it better than all of them?

Also you should learn to use the edit button. No need to have 3 short consecutive posts in a row.

 

[Luke234]

I'm just pulling legs cuz haters are so vocal about bashing DC movies and wanting them to fail. I understand not liking a movie but I don't get wanting movies to do badly. I actually could care less about box office numbers. No fan sees an ounce of the money. People that write paragraph after paragraph, arguing about why a movie is bad is odd behavior to me.
Sorry about the editing. I'm layed up from getting hit by a texting driver and I have use of only one full hand and it's a balancing act trying to type.

 

[The Joker]

They want them to fail because if a bad movie does poorly that usually means it will make the studios pull up their socks and try and improve them. People want good movies not poor ones. If a bad movie makes money, then the studios will continue to make them the same way because all they care about is profit. For example when the terrible Amazing Spider-Man movies under performed and provided Sony with a miserable profit at the box office, it forced Sony to make some serious changes about the franchise.

 

[Predator jp]

i don't think WB is comfortable with the current state of DCEU despite the fact that SS is making enough money.
those aweful receptions from the critics make them look really bad when direct competitor gets alot of love from the critics and audiences while makes enough money at the same time.
and i don't think WB is willing to settle with the title of 'Twillight/Transformers of superhero movies'.

 

[Zarex]

It's not just posters on these boards. "Haters" like Geoff Johns and Jeff Bewkes have admitted that WB needs to up its game regarding the DCEU slate. They are lucky that they have a huge fanbase willing to give them 2nd, 3rd and even 4th chances.

 

[Docker2.0]

It's not just posters on these boards. "Haters" like Geoff Johns and Jeff Bewkes have admitted that WB needs to up its game regarding the DCEU slate. They are lucky that they have a huge fanbase willing to give them 2nd, 3rd and even 4th chances.

Haters are the term people use when they don't have a comeback.
Person #1: Chicago Bears are 0-3 so they are not good.
Person #2: Well, they have Jay Cutler so they have to be. If you think they are bad because of their record, you are just a hater and don't get it. Give it time.

See how that works? The numbers and stats could be right in front of you and them but yet you are labelled the hater.

 

[brandeezy89]

They want them to fail because if a bad movie does poorly that usually means it will make the studios pull up their socks and try and improve them. People want good movies not poor ones. If a bad movie makes money, then the studios will continue to make them the same way because all they care about is profit. For example when the terrible Amazing Spider-Man movies under performed and provided Sony with a miserable profit at the box office, it forced Sony to make some serious changes about the franchise.

Sony made the deal because they're on their last legs financially also according the the Email leaks they were making their Spiderman universe on the fly without planning. Feige sent them notes on how to improve the movies but they said "no thanks". WB obviously isn't in that situation but i'm pretty sure they want their movies to do well despite the BO. Which is why the CEO spoke on it.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

The second problem is that Warner Bros. is too worried about critical consensus. The reaction from fans and the general audience has largely been favorable, in terms of reviews and revenue. Although no DCEU film has outgrossed an Avengers film, every DCEU film thus far has managed to outgross the bulk of Marvel's movies. Rather than take that fact in stride, and push forward, Warner Bros. opts to remain disappointed that their films habe yet to earn $1 billion (as if anything less than that figure is somehow unprofitable). While Warner Bros. is busy fretting over what the critics have to say, Universal churns out a "Bayformers" movie every couple of years and laughs all the way to the bank as critics moan about the "tragedy of it all." Warner Bros. needs to simply make the films that they set out to make instead of reacting to every bit of unfavorable press. Warner Bros. takes ever negative comment as the gospel, making them quick to reshoot, rewrite, or scrap film ideas to appease people thst aren't necessarily seeking to be pleased.

I don't know who originally said this and I am tired of scanning this thread looking for the original post; I just wanted to say that I agree with this. WB is too damn reactionary and hey need to cut it out! All of the problems seem to stem from WB interference after the fact. They worried about a 3 hr film so they cut it to pieces; they worried about no humor comments in regards to BvS so they did reshoots for SS; and then the final nail is them coming out saying JL will be much lighter. Just stay your freaking course and critics be da--ed! Not to mention that when MOS didnt make a billion they shoehorned Batman and the Justice League into his sequel. Stop trying to compete with Avengers and just make good movies!
I love these movies and the direction they are going; but I'm tired of them reacting to every little comment haters and bullies throw at them.

In addition, stop trying to beat Avengers in one jump and then panicking when you don't. DC films have been beating the solo Marvel films and I don't understand why that is not good enough.

 

[Docker2.0]

In what way has DC films been beating the Marvel films? Please explain.

 

[Erzengel]

I think he means BvS and SS outgrossing most of the MCU movies.

However in terms of "why is that not good enough", the answer for me personally is because those 2 especially aren't good enough.

 

[CaptainWagner]

In what way has DC films been beating the Marvel films? Please explain.

Well, financially they have been doing much better with their opening movies than the MCU. And they'd be doing even better if those movies had been good critically, too. Which is why Johns and others have the support they need to fix things, they can easily make a case WB lost out on two billion dollar films because of their past management mistakes.

 

[Docker2.0]

I think he means BvS and SS outgrossing most of the MCU movies.

However in terms of "why is that not good enough", the answer for me personally is because those 2 especially aren't good enough.

Well, financially they have been doing much better with their opening movies than the MCU. And they'd be doing even better if those movies had been good critically, too. Which is why Johns and others have the support they need to fix things, they can easily make a case WB lost out on two billion dollar films because of their past management mistakes.

Agreed but they have Batman and the Joker in those films, two of the most iconic characters in comic history.You can say MoS underperformed like BvS did.

 

[Erzengel]

So many people consider TWS the top MCU movie and it didn't do $1B. Obviously Cap is not at the level of a Batman or a Superman in terms of popularity, but I'd rather have a well done movie that underperforms than a divisive movie that overperforms.

 

[The Joker]

Agreed but they have Batman and the Joker in those films, two of the most iconic characters in comic history.You can say MoS underperformed like BvS did.

Exactly. Marvel turned unknown characters to the public like Iron Man and Ant Man into box office winners.

 

[Timebomb]

So many people consider TWS the top MCU movie and it didn't do $1B. Obviously Cap is not at the level of a Batman or a Superman in terms of popularity, but I'd rather have a well done movie that underperforms than a divisive movie that overperforms.

I can't stress enough how much I agree with this. IMO the last thing in the world that signifies if a movie is good is its financial haul. There are way too many movies out there that are rubbish and have made bank. The only reason I look at the financials is that if it's a movie I like then I want it to make enough for a sequel (in most cases).

If you start boasting about the financial haul of a movie to show some sort of quality then you need to take into account all the ticket buyers who would want their money back based on quality. I am not overly excited that the financial hauls of BVS and SS (wont put MOS into this) include money I spent on tickets. Call it buyers regret.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I am happy with the financial success of the 2 movies because that means that there was a large aspect of people who liked them despite the vocal minority who hated them. I'm not saying financial success means everything, just that not every money maker that has bad critical reception is Transformers.

 

[The Batman]

Sure is crazy how DC/WB is now bending over backwards to appease the haters, seeing as how they're just a "vocal minority".

 

[Erzengel]

Why can't the current DCEU series be compared to Transformers or even Pirates? People do enjoy those movies.

Until DCEU comes out with a highly rated movie, then we can do a new comparison.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

Was guardians also not released in China?

Guardians of the Galaxy was released in China. It made $96.5 million in China
Guardians of the Galaxy made $773.3 million worldwide.
Suicide Squad has made $733.9 million worldwide so far.
So if you were to add the money it probably would have made in China,
Suicide Squad probably would top Guardians of the Galaxy worldwide.

 

[TeeKay]

Sure is crazy how DC/WB is now bending over backwards to appease the haters, seeing as how they're just a "vocal minority".

After FFINO there's no such thing as "vocal minority" anymore.

 

[Docker2.0]

After FFINO there's no such thing as "vocal minority" anymore.

And that "vocal minority" also includes WB execs as well. Remember when it was first reported months before BvS was released that the execs saw the movie and was not happy with what they saw, which is why SS had so many reshoots. I still say SS under performed for a movie that had the Joker and Batman in it.