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[Eddie Dean]

They would be stupid to throw her away. I think the bigger question is if she wants to do it again.

 

[Frodo]

At the very least, they'll be a Barbie sequel, and they , meaning WBD, will be alot less willing to let her go , or burn any bridges with her, in terms of their continued relationship with her.

Whether she plays Harley Quinn or not, she just made WBD, a billion of after several high profile flops and bombs.

So , Robbie ain't going anywhere in terms of being part of the WBD family.

 

[emielaen]

Nothing suggests either aren’t interested. And we’re talking about Gunn now, not some random suit. They adore each other. If they’re keeping Cena and Davis and ****ing Agee, they’re keeping Robbie lol, especially now.

Plus she’ll get a ridiculous paycheck for it + plenty on the backend, surely.

 

[Chris B]

My guess is 2027 WW Solo film at the earliest , which really isn't that far in the future.

I know that 4 years seems like 40 years in internet- fandom time, but it's really the blink of an eye.

That's a good guess. I reckon by 2030 at the latest, Gunn and Safran will have produced a WW reboot.

 

[Frodo]

Nothing suggests either aren’t interested. And we’re talking about Gunn now, not some random suit. They adore each other. If they’re keeping Cena and Davis and ****ing Agee, they’re keeping Robbie lol, especially now.

Plus she’ll get a ridiculous paycheck for it + plenty on the backend, surely.

Yeah.
Gadot , Cavill, and Levy, are one thing .

WBD could let them go ,and not loose sleep.

It's quite another thing to want to push out someone whose now part of the Billion dollar club, and has made great bank and praise for you.

So , Margot ain't going nowhere.

 

[Invader Joker]

The biggest problem in regards to Harley Quinn at the moment is that neither a Suicide Squad movie and another Harley centric movie are happening so there's not really any space for her to show up except on the Waller show.

 

[Invader Joker]

Ten is a arbitrary number, but I can think of a lot of good recent examples:

Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves
The Green Knight
The Northman
Puss in Boots The Last Wish

and that's not counting all the tv stuff, like Game of Thrones, which is like one of the biggest franchises of all time lol.

The Green Knight, The Lighthouse and The Northman are good enough to count for ten.

Considering the fact that between Dungeons & Dragons, Green Knight, The Northman, The Lighthouse, Dune and Three Thousand Years of Longing you've got a total of 6 directors, 3 of which are highly regarded as some of the best ones working today (Eggers, Villenueve and George Miller) that does not really do anything to disregard my argument of "there's barely any directors that know how to make good fantasy films".

Not counting Puss in Boots since the skills of an animation director don't necessarily translate to live-action and viceversa, both fields are really different.

And the Game of Thrones thing just further helps with my point that it'd probably be convenient for Gunn to pull a Matt Shakman and prepare a small director with the Paradise Lost show and then have them go onto to do the movie.

 

[kguillou]

You know what thought just occurred to me? Michael Keaton returned to Bruce Wayne/Batman in The Flash, Batgirl and Aquaman 2 and there exists not one single interview (to my knowledge) where Keaton himself talks about returning to the role after 30+ years...a role that was really really important to him. Its almost as if ...it never happened at all. lol

 

[Eddie Dean]

Considering the fact that between Dungeons & Dragons, Green Knight, The Northman, The Lighthouse, Dune and Three Thousand Years of Longing you've got a total of 6 directors, 3 of which are highly regarded as some of the best ones working today (Eggers, Villenueve and George Miller) that does not really do anything to disregard my argument of "there's barely any directors that know how to make good fantasy films".

Not counting Puss in Boots since the skills of an animation director don't necessarily translate to live-action and viceversa, both fields are really different.

And the Game of Thrones thing just further helps with my point that it'd probably be convenient for Gunn to pull a Matt Shakman and prepare a small director with the Paradise Lost show and then have them go onto to do the movie.

Why don't you do the converse and name the bad recent fantasy movies?

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

You know what thought just occurred to me? Michael Keaton returned to Bruce Wayne/Batman in The Flash, Batgirl and Aquaman 2 and there exists not one single interview (to my knowledge) where Keaton himself talks about returning to the role after 30+ years...a role that was really really important to him. Its almost as if ...it never happened at all. lol

I have actually seen a few. One was on a US chat show. I don't recall the host, but I remember Keaton making the comment that going back on set in the Batsuit was 'like riding a bike'. And I've seen a couple (I think) of split-screen interviews where he's talking to journalists about returning to the role. But his profile throughout the whole thing was certainly lower than I thought it'd be. Heck, the whole business of his big return received far less fanfair than I would have expected. I thought Warners would have been shouting it from the rooftops.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

Ten is a arbitrary number, but I can think of a lot of good recent examples:

Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves
The Green Knight
The Northman
Puss in Boots The Last Wish

The Green Knight, The Lighthouse and The Northman are good enough to count for ten.

See, proving my point from before. A bunch of movies that either lean heavily into comedy or minimize fantastical elements.

Doesn't make them bad movies or anything, but you know, it does leave you feeling a bit hungry if what your yearning for is tons of fantastical elements played perfectly straight. Best place for that has always been animated shows, honestly.

Ten is a arbitrary number, but I can think of a lot of good recent examples:

Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves
The Green Knight
The Northman
Puss in Boots The Last Wish

I wonder how the DCU is gonna handle her relationship with Joker, and the Batman franchise. Are they gonna once again skip past all her history with Joker and just have her solo already?

 

[Invader Joker]

Why don't you do the converse and name the bad recent fantasy movies?

Boy where do we even start.

Well, for starters, all of the live-action Disney remakes that have come out in the last 5 years:Mary Poppins Returns, Christopher Robin, Dumbo, Aladdin, The Lion King, Maleficent 2, Lady and the Tramp, Mulan, Pinocchio, Peter Pan & Wendy, The Little Mermaid.

But if you don't wanna count those:
Cats, Artemis Fowl, Mel Gibson's Fatman, Fantastic Beasts 2 and 3, A Wrinkle in Time, Mortal Engines, Teen Wolf The Movie, The King's Daughter, Disenchanted, The Munsters, Hocus Pocus 2. And I could go on, and on, and on, and on.

The vast majority of what comes out in the genre is absolute dog**** but is also so unbearably forgettable I can see how it's easy to miss. Same with action films lmao

 

[FunkMiller]

I wonder how the DCU is gonna handle her relationship with Joker, and the Batman franchise. Are they gonna once again skip past all her history with Joker and just have her solo already?

Whenever Brave And The Bold gets made (if it ever gets made) she'll probably just slot in alongside the rest of the rogues gallery without much effort being made on the backstory, because it's not necessary.

Seeing her alongside a completely different Joker will be weird though.

Personally I'm not as sure as others are that she'll come back at all. BatB is many years away - at least way past The Batman 2, so by that time she might not want to go back, or they might feel confident enough to have another actress play the role.

Gaga's going to show the audience that Harley doesn't have to be played by Margot Robbie.

 

[BobJM]

Just make a Gotham City Sirens with Robbie’s Harley teaming up with Poison Ivy and Catwoman (and maybe Batgirl/Oracle) set in the new DCU continuity. No need for Joker.

 

[Eddie Dean]

or a Joker played by...

 

[BobJM]

Lol

I’m sure we’ll be getting a Joker in the DCU, and I’d much rather Gosling play Joker over Batman.

 

[kguillou]

Sigh, I get so annoyed when I see these "journalists" cite James Gunn's DCU announcement as the reason Shazam and Flash bombed. Gunn's announcement literally had less than 0.5% effect on the box office for those movies nor will it affect Blue Beetle and Aquaman 2. The general public doesnt know or care about these things that us geeks do.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Sigh, I get so annoyed when I see these "journalists" cite James Gunn's DCU announcement as the reason Shazam and Flash bombed. Gunn's announcement literally had less than 0.5% effect on the box office for those movies nor will it affect Blue Beetle and Aquaman 2. The general public doesnt know or care about these things that us geeks do.

Eh I dunno about that. Purely anecdotal of course, but most of my friends are casuals and they know about the reboot. They don’t know all the nuances, but they are aware things are supposed to be starting over. Even my mom has sent me IG posts about it and she’s in her 60s lol.

 

[Boom]

It's spreading.

 

[kguillou]

Eh I dunno about that. Purely anecdotal of course, but most of my friends are casuals and they know about the reboot. They don’t know all the nuances, but they are aware things are supposed to be starting over. Even my mom has sent me IG posts about it and she’s in her 60s lol.

Hmm, I just dont think by and large the GA was affected by that. If either Shazam or Flash had really been that good to begin with then people would have gone to see them, positive wom would have spread. I think most of the GA just didnt care to watch them and those that did were only mildly entertained with them at best.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Hmm, I just dont think by and large the GA was affected by that. If either Shazam or Flash had really been that good to begin with then people would have gone to see them, positive wom would have spread. I think most of the GA just didnt care to watch them and those that did were only mildly entertained with them at best.

I mean I think the quality of those films definitely played the largest role in their failures. But the poor OW also makes me feel like there was just a general lack of hype in the lead-up. I think the Gunn announcement was a factor in that, among many other things of course. It was just kind of a perfect storm of bad things compiling onto other bad things.

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

It's spreading.

Who is this?

 

[Venom 1988]

Who is this?

Dua Lipa. I've seen some users fancast her but I don't personally get it.

 

[dhandler01]

I mean I think the quality of those films definitely played the largest role in their failures. But the poor OW also makes me feel like there was just a general lack of hype in the lead-up. I think the Gunn announcement was a factor in that, among many other things of course. It was just kind of a perfect storm of bad things compiling onto other bad things.

I dont think that had anything to do with Gunn. If anything Gunn did more to help Flash than hurt because despite it not being a film he helped make or will even be canon in his universe he pimped it everywhere. Shazam was dead when no one cared about any of the trailers. Even Levi's stupid COVID takes likely didn't affect it all that much it just looked generic and bland and lets be honest the first Shazam didn't exactly light the world on fire.

In a normal year I think each would have done better...not much better mind you but better. But in a year when there was like $Texas blockbusters only the best were going to rise to the top. Plenty of films that would have easily made money struggled. Fast X at best broke even making $700 million worldwide. (it did friggin terrible domestically) Little Mermaid barely broke even worldwide. Mission Impossible is barely going to break even. Antman barely broke even. Indiana Jones bombed hard. Transformers barely broke even. Any of those films could have done markedly better in a normal cycle.

(in reality many of those did not break even I just doubled the budget not 2.5x which is standard for blockbusters these days)

Now part of that is the budgets for many of those films were out of control. Many of the top grossers worldwide had smaller budgets like Super Mario Brothers. (which will probably end up behind Barbie for total box office but cost less to make) But still, if you look at the Top 20 world wide grosses how many of them struggled to make money? People had to make tough choices when it comes to paying to see films in theaters and plenty of films struggled to make it happen. Flash and Shazam never convinced audiences to go so they didn't.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I don’t disagree with any of that. I just still believe part of that lack of interest came from the fact the DCEU is ending and so there’s even less incentive to watch these final embers fizzle out.

Gunn may have tried promoting Flash on Twitter or whatever, but I think the song was written by that point.