So to answer you - I didn't say that Kings approach does not work,.. I said it only serves those it comes AFTER.
But you are after and yet it continues to be a problem?
Your last about "reverse discrimination?" I disagree. In cases where (firefighter, Police Officer, etc,..) are concerned, the changes come into play because QUALIFIED Minorities who passed every requirement were denied the oportunity to work in those areas because of color. Using the "blind" of saying that it goes against or doesn't properly represent the community is a falsehood since prior to ther changes it was an almost all white world in those areas.
Again this is an area where I know departments that are not hiring white males and have stated so. For fire Departments I have long been an advocate of a "blind" hiring process where if they have 5 openings they take the 5 best candidates based on score not race. I agree that they have been too lopsided but my only point of contention is any civil job where physical work is required, let's get the best, not the whitest. That way you have the most qualified. Reflection of the community is important in policing, but if someone has to haul my 240 pound bod out of my burning house he/she should be able and qualified. The interesting thing in toronto is they used a series of systems to simulate the actual requirements for the job and many women were accepted by the system -- it took the best of the best which is all I would advocate for.
I was in Detroit in the Early 90's where the multiple civil suit went bad for detroit Firefighters when it was determined that applications for minority firefighters were ALWAYS rejected even if the applicate scored high.
Again a "blind" system would eliminate that. The other thing that would is that if a mayor or council had the guts to initiate a top down firing if racism is found to be a part of the process of hiring. I don't see that every happening though.
Sooo,... The United States Should Not have a military because to do so is to look for a fight.
Same arguement for the Coast Guard in regards to Fisheries, Drug interdiction And illigal slave trading,... that these things exist and are found because we are ready for them.
True enough. The point again that I was trying to make is that your children will run into many different scenarios and they need to be prepared for people of all colours to be for them/against them. People discriminate on a variety of conditions ... including smell and appearance of cleanliness. As I suggested they also need to be prepared for allies in places that they may not have been told about ... ie white canadians. 
If you'd like to say that these things already exist,... THAT the military and the Coast Guard prepare and exist for what is there - I say that there are OVER 100 DOCUMENTED ANTI-MINORITY PRO WHITE GROUPS on the North American Continent ALONE. Should I not prepare my children for the possibility that they may have to deal with someone who shares those views?
Yes. I do not deny that. Again going to my point above. If you only prepare for one kind of enemy or ally you miss out.
IMPO your point is flawed to say that you find what you prepare for,... Otherwise most men would prepare for finding harems where the women keep house and go out to get that paycheck and the man stays home and plays rooster.
I have enough trouble with one woman ... who wants more? 
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So easy to say. The reason this sort of thing continues is because it is a "soft-sell" form of racism that depends on lack of knowledge. It can only be confronted on a point by point basis BECAUSE by it's nature it's selective and based on need.
A white child and a Black child both qualify for college prep,.. The Black child is already in the class,.. the councelor bumps the black child while telling the child he wouldn't be "happy" going for higher education.
20/20 hindsight,.. I believe that the councelor was trying to convince my child to accept the change w/o telling me,.. to believe that the councelor had his best interests at heart. This person was fairly confident that I also wouldn't notice,.. and even when found out believed that their opinion as to the comfort factor of my child would be accepted by me.
Any opposition and the resistance and situation fade away as a "misunderstanding".
Repeat and succeed with a "less aware" parent.
But you have not solved the issue of the selector?
(Smile) @ best method or only avenue.
Generally when I'm senior to you in rank,.. and you try to order me around using racial slurs,.. and I don't have time to write you up for your claims of superiority therefore you will direct me,.. I the person in charge of the department,.. I will hurt you and then direct you and then write you up instead.
In that case he became a friend and was ashamed for YEARS that he actually had the balls to step on board ship and try that,.. that I could've ruined his career on an Article 32 for starters just for his being so stupid to honestly believe that his color superceeded everything I could be or have done prior to his arrival.
In the other case,.. I'll never know because he was yanked off that ship by the XO and sent back to the mainland for his own protection and I got chewed for stooping to his level,.. later I found out in passing that he was put out after getting whooped by a samoan at the rescue station in San Fransisco.
The only comfort in these cases is that there is a coorelation to intelligence and the belief that you are "naturally superior AND can be a butt about it."
Always on the low end.
True enough.
Now I'm curious,.. How would YOU handle someone in your face with racism in the middle of an operation that a delay could mean a loss of life?
In a military situation with lives on the line ... you must take action. When the situation is no longer life threatening ... what did you do to change the man within? It sounds like you spoke to him and changed his attitude. Is that not what I was suggesting?
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You only meet violence with violence,.. Hate? If you leave me and mind alone you can "hate" as much as you want,.. I'm not here to change your mindset.
So the hate continues. The English tried that in WWII ... appeasement never solves the conflict.
Honestly,.. History,.. the ENTIRE history of humans on this planet has shown that Noone has stopped violence by showering the person putting it out with love and understanding,... (real time anyway,.. the person doing the guilt feels "guilty" afterwards if they have any humanity,.. but it doesn't help the person they killed.)
Why do you BELIEVE that it would work now?
King and Ghandi both did it. They are pretty good examples to me of how to effect change with non-violence. I am not suggesting that there are not going to be those violently opposed to others, but what I am suggesting is that by changing the minds of the ones who "soft-sell" or "are only a little rascist" you can effect a greater change and the ones who are most extreme then loose influence and followers.
World war two,... The Germans believed in a stratified society based on race,... the closer you were to their ideal,.. the more rights you had,.. their pinicle was blonde haired with blue eyes,.. Should we have welcomed them with open arms?
I'm saying there is always a point where you must fight to keep what you have. There wouldn't be an America if we hadn't fought for it.
You often need to protect yourself and protect your loved ones. That I agree with. The difference is being pro-defence and not pro-offence. The war at hand is to change the minds of those who are using exterior characteristics as a means for justifying hate. When America was not involved in WWII you were pulled into by the sneak attack at pearl harbour, correct? In the same way racism can come at any time. Why not fight to change the minds of those who would be an enemy? To create an ally? Isolationism does not defect an enemy that wants something different to your beliefs. It only delays the inevitable battle.
Meh.
I give you the benifit.
The benefit of the doubt? An ally is an ally brother. Whether he is the one you expected or not. When the s**t hits the fan as a military man I suspect that you don't care what colour the man is that has your back. You are just glad he is there.
As a Canadian I have a pride in two things. My country and my people. We have a long history of fighting when we need to fight and keeping the peace to allow dialogue.
We are a small country, but we are the best at what we do. Al Gore made an offhand comment about Canada fighting above our "weight-class" and we always have.
As this is a comic board, the perfect example of a Canadian who stands by others is one of my favorites.
As a military man, these guys are probably more your style, JTF2.
JTF2 are some of the best, if not best Commandoes in the world. The Current long range sniper shot in battle is held by a Canadian.
My point is, having a white Canadian on your side ain't such a bad thing.
Every person who can work to change the minds of those around him can be a pretty amazing thing.
Thanks for the dialogue.
