The Flash The Flash Episode 16: "Rogue Time

[Spider-Aziz]

@Barry Allen:
"Don't forget Eddie.
Don't be a *****e."

 

[Human Torch]

Yeah! Like you know what would have been cool - if Lisa had said something like

"All that glitters..." right before she fired the weapon. indicating that - you know - it isn't gold. Commonly used phrase and all....



Oh waitaminute - she DID.

Yeah,I never for a minute thought it was creating actual gold. It's another case of them not spelling it out enough for some people,I guess.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

i gotta say one of the things i really dug was Barry SWOOPIN up on Weather whiz and not messing around with him. he knew what he was going do, even after Wells told him not to( the dude is a Supervillian after all!) i liked that! Barry is willing to take chances and try to save people even if he's uncertain of the consequences! that's cool!

I also liked that even though he made a DUMB MOVE by telling Iris he dug her. He made a SMART one by changing history after traveling backwards and not listening to Reverse Flash!( dude is a supervillian after all!) which is probably why he told joe he has doubts about him! dude is still learning to be better and i like that about the show!

 

[Eni]

I am so damn drawn on this one. It was good, I loved the Rogue stuff and also the part with Cisco. I liked to finally get to know a bit more about him and his family (and what a dick of a brother the poor guy has - even with him coming around in this episode that dude is such a tool, though you have to give him credit for the self-sacrificing part).

Liked how they introduced Lisa but she is really such a typical "bad girl". "Make it something beautiful and poisonous - like me." XD Let's hope she actually becomes a bit more like the Golden Glider of the current comics, she is one of few characters I don't mind the change they did with them. There she is much more like a leader person, I am curious if this will actually happen here as well or if she stay like this. Then again, all of the current Rogues are so damn comic-booky, I really don't mind, they are just amazing! I would love to see them in every episode!

And before I forget, I loved how Barry took care of Mark like nobody's business. XD He really wasn't playing around this time around.

The good stuff aside, what I really, really disliked was how everything concerning Wells/Eobard and Iris went back to status quo.

Well, not entirely, as Barry ended things with Linda - which is really not something I am that happy about. I really like the Barry and Iris pairing in the comics (pre New52) but till now I really couldn't care less for them ending up together in the tv-universe. After this episode, I am just annoyed about the whole Barry-Iris relationship.
We are supposed to understand these people, get why they are doing what they are doing in regard of how they feel for each other. They come over like complete morons, though.
You can't tell me that Barry would not have the forsight that it would not go over so well with Iris if he just approached her like that - she couldn't remember anything from before his time-jump, he really didn't consider to maybe treat this whole thing with caution?

Iris is just as bad. Last episode she totally went for him, and yes, she needed some pointing but you can't tell me that she really is that unable to understand and deal with her own feelings. What is the huge difference to last time around? Just because a couple of guys were all zen-like about how she really has feeling for Barry. She is not a little girl, I don't understand why they would make her to someone who really needs another person to take her hand and guide her this way. It makes her appear unable and pretty unlikable in my eyes, she clearly knows that she loves Barry by now but she still sticks with Eddie because... reasons.
Last episode it became apparent that it isn't really because she is that concerned about Eddie's feelings, and now? I don't get this writers. I am dissapointed, I really hoped for a good and well developed and likable pairing of those two...

I knew they would change things around with Eobard so that still nobody really knows about him. They even made Barry aware of something really not being alright with his mentor. Still, I feel cheated about the developement from last week just being taken back like this.

Also, what is with this "logic" about time travelling causing things to get worse, in the first place? There is a reason for that? An "eye for an eye" -thing? Because the universe wants to keep its balance? That is a stupid and lazy explaination that makes no sense whatsoever. Why not keeping the balance by improving things instead of causing something extremely horrible? Does that really mean, that every time Barry goes back in time, that something horrible will happen? Okay, who am I kidding, of course they are going to use it like that, it is that way in the comics after all. Talking about overpowering a character and doing lazy damage control... but probably a good sorce for conflict and drama...

Still, if the usiverse actually is looking for balance Eobard really has to have it coming after killing Barry's mom... I hope at least, I really start to dislike the Well/Eobard character, which is probably just as the writer intended. Cavanagh is doing an amazing job, I hope he sticks around for next season as well. He is playing such a ruthless character, there has to be so much potential with him.

Well, all in all a good episode, 8 out of 10.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Was really meh on this one last night but rewatched it and liked a lot more the second time around, biggest problem is that it had the misfortune of having to follow up last weeks episode. Cold and the Rogues are always fun to see, cool to see that they're bringing in Cold's no killing rule for the Rogues, and Barry is onto Wells now, so it'll be interesting to see where things go from here.

 

[Primal Slayer]

You mean the ninja skills that weren't enough to take down scrawny Hartley? Yeah, Heatwave was always going to wreck him, and he was handcuffed. (He only got off one swing this time, and against Hartley, it was more brawling competently than ninja skills.)

P.S. If there was another example of Cisco being a fighter that I'm forgetting, please correct me.

But Cisco won the fight. He was good enough to know how to dodge and everything. He could've tried his luck. Though rewatching his fight scene, it wasn't AS ninja-y as I had remembered.

 

[Human Torch]

So any guesses on how this dumb relationship between Flash and Cold is gonna work now?

Cold: "I'm here to steal $50,000,000 worth of silverware.You can't stop me Flash,or I'll spill the beans."

Flash: "Well.....just don't kill anybody!"

*runs in the opposite direction*



I mean,this is even stupider to me than the whole "Might as well not bother even trying to stop Malcolm,he'll just escape any prison" shtick they're doing over on Arrow.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

So any guesses on how this dumb relationship between Flash and Cold is gonna work now?

Cold: "I'm here to steal $50,000,000 worth of silverware.You can't stop me Flash,or I'll spill the beans."

Flash: "Well.....just don't kill anybody!"

*runs in the opposite direction*



I mean,this is even stupider to me than the whole "Might as well not bother even trying to stop Malcolm,he'll just escape any prison" shtick they're doing over on Arrow.

I think the implication is that things proceed as they have previously, but if Cold kills anyone else or reveals Barry's identity then he's going into the particle accelerator prison rather than a normal one.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

yeah! cause really he just ran off and left cold after he KIDNAPPED Cisco and his brother ,murdered who knows who of those crime bosses, stole a truckload of loot, gave Cisco's brother's 1st degree frostbite and also tried to kill the flash himself... but hey! dont kill anybody cause i gotta run!... say what!! that ^&* was Dumb!

 

[Seb]

Also, what is with this "logic" about time travelling causing things to get worse, in the first place? There is a reason for that? An "eye for an eye" -thing? Because the universe wants to keep its balance? That is a stupid and lazy explaination that makes no sense whatsoever. Why not keeping the balance by improving things instead of causing something extremely horrible? Does that really mean, that every time Barry goes back in time, that something horrible will happen? Okay, who am I kidding, of course they are going to use it like that, it is that way in the comics after all. Talking about overpowering a character and doing lazy damage control... but probably a good sorce for conflict and drama...

Still, if the usiverse actually is looking for balance Eobard really has to have it coming after killing Barry's mom... I hope at least, I really start to dislike the Well/Eobard character, which is probably just as the writer intended. Cavanagh is doing an amazing job, I hope he sticks around for next season as well. He is playing such a ruthless character, there has to be so much potential with him.

Well, all in all a good episode, 8 out of 10.

The thing is, as much as they told us things would get worse (Wells told us things would get worse) they showed us the opposite. Flash took out Mark, preventing Singh's paralysis and the tidal wave, the rogues only killed a couple of people and they were mobsters, so meh. Cisco survived, and Barry is on to Wells.

I think this is an example of expository bias. Wells royally effed up with his time travelling, so he assumes everything gets ruined by time travelling. And even then, he said that time has a way of healing and that the result might be worse. Wells thinks the worst will happen because that's his experience, but Barry managed to make the best out of it. He wasn't perfect, but it definitely improved the outcome.

 

[JaD]

Finished the episode now, it was decent.

I was surprised Barry captured Weather Wizard so quickly against Wells' advice. I thought he would capture him when West and him were driving in the car and it started raining from last week's episode (unless that played out before the time disruption).

I'm definitely happy Cisco is still alive so I was hoping for that to be changed. I was cracking up pretty hard with Cisco at the bar when he was approached by Cold's sister. I definitely knew something was up of course but Cisco's reaction of "Am I being pranked right now?" was hilarious. I'd have the same reaction

I still have no clue what is going on in Barry's mind and not going for Linda. I know his mind is in the mode that Iris has feelings for him but as gorgeous as I find her, I'd have let it go by now (a long time ago actually) How many times can you have a woman approach you and give you her #? Get with the program Mr. Allen.

Looking forward to seeing where everything goes now.

 

[Crimz]

I officialy do not like Iris now. What a b***h.

 

[Spooderman]

I'm glad that Iris didn't admit her feelings. I hope she never does and the series never has Iris and Barry date because they'd make a horrible couple.

 

[Nathan]

I wish they'd just stop introducing the hero's destined love from the start. Why can't the hero just date normally and then eventually find his true love?

 

[DCMarvelFanGuy]

So any guesses on how this dumb relationship between Flash and Cold is gonna work now?

Cold: "I'm here to steal $50,000,000 worth of silverware.You can't stop me Flash,or I'll spill the beans."

Flash: "Well.....just don't kill anybody!"

*runs in the opposite direction*



I mean,this is even stupider to me than the whole "Might as well not bother even trying to stop Malcolm,he'll just escape any prison" shtick they're doing over on Arrow.

I guess we will see for certain how this new relationship will play out in episode 22. I think Flash is allowed to interfere with Cold and his plans. Stop him from commiting robberies, but he can't capture him. Just a guess. By the way, nothing is stupider than what's going on with Malcolm right now. Cold might not be an angel, but he's no mass murderer.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I hated this episode. Whoever wrote this needs to be canned and never write again.

Brooke Eikmeier did The Sound and the Fury (the one with Pied Piper) and Kai Yu Wu did Going Rogue (first episode with Captain Cold) and Revenge of the Rogues (I'm sensing a pattern). The story is by Grainne Godfree who did Things You Can't Outrun (Mist) and Power Outage (Blackout). It's not their first rodeo for any of them and it's possible they just had a bad outing.

And don't get me started with the weapon that spits out gold. That thing could make you rich without doing any heists.

Well, they said they're doing it for the fun, not the money.

 

[DCMarvelFanGuy]

Brooke Eikmeier did The Sound and the Fury (the one with Pied Piper) and Kai Yu Wu did Going Rogue (first episode with Captain Cold) and Revenge of the Rogues (I'm sensing a pattern). The story is by Grainne Godfree who did Things You Can't Outrun (Mist) and Power Outage (Blackout). It's not their first rodeo for any of them and it's possible they just had a bad outing.



Well, they said they're doing it for the fun, not the money.

THAT, and it's probably not even real gold. Just a substance with a gold-like color.

 

[HighFivingMF]

So any guesses on how this dumb relationship between Flash and Cold is gonna work now?

They've had this arrangement in the comics for about half a century. So probably something like that.

 

[BestGirl]

Also, what is with this "logic" about time travelling causing things to get worse, in the first place? There is a reason for that? An "eye for an eye" -thing? Because the universe wants to keep its balance? That is a stupid and lazy explaination that makes no sense whatsoever. Why not keeping the balance by improving things instead of causing something extremely horrible? Does that really mean, that every time Barry goes back in time, that something horrible will happen? Okay, who am I kidding, of course they are going to use it like that, it is that way in the comics after all. Talking about overpowering a character and doing lazy damage control... but probably a good sorce for conflict and drama...

It could be a case of the universe resenting having its timelines messed with therefore dishing out a punishment to the time traveler.

 

[Mikelus]

What was shown tonight was a more accurate representation of how easy it would be for Barry to take down most of his rogues on their own...in the way he apprehended Weather Wizard and Cold without much difficulty.

Exactly, but with the inconsistent writing of these Arrow-Flash writers, we know they will dumb down Barry whenever they want to, even if it doesn't make sense.

The Good:

- Tom Cavanagh.

- Captain Cold/Wentworth Miller.

The Bad:

- All that nonsense with Cold, Heat Wave, and "The Don". Talk about cheesy.

- "Your heart should ache for me. Does it?"

- The effects for Lisa's gun.

- Barry not grabbing Lisa's and Cold's guns after confronting them at the casino.

- Valdes' dramatic acting. (No offense to him.)

- "You and your rogues gallery..."

- Barry and Cold came to their arrangement way too easily.

- It didn't really take much for Barry to starting doubting Harrison, did it?

- I do not, at all, care about Barry and Iris as a couple.

The Okay

- I think Linda was way too cool about Barry breaking up with her for Iris. She was right all along and she acted like she didn't even care.

- "Lightning psychosis".

This was a step down from last week. 6/10.

I agree with some of your criticism, the episode was kind of bad.

Dominic Purcell is being too campy as Heat Wave, he's a better actor than that, but is the producers' fault for not telling him to tone it down a bit.

You really don't like Carlos Valdés serious acting huh!

I agree with you and others regarding the whole Barry-Cold deal, it's terrible writing, it makes Barry weak and irresponsible. You don't let a dangerous criminal free or tell him to go to another city, WTF!! A secret identity will never be more important than keeping people safe. I knew Berlanti and company were going to ruin something with their bad writing like they've done with Arrow. I think the reason behind this nonsense is Cold being part of the spinoff. If he's not going to kill anymore and be more "decent", it could be the start of his anti-hero journey, lets keep in mind Captain Cold is not a villain anymore in the comics, so maybe he will become a member of the spinoff's Justice team. They could've done this without ruining Barry in the process though.

And the whole Barry & Iris thing is a trainwreck, she's the worst character of the CWverse, not even Lana was that awful during the first season of Smallville. Speaking of Smallville, it seems the time travel of the Flash works in a similar way like some of us suspected: one life saved (Cisco) means the universe will always course correct and take another life (Mason). So if Barry saves Nora in the season finale, another person (or more) will die afterwards, but we'll see.

 

[JLMHodge]

I really liked the alternate scene that played out between Eobard and Cisco.

 

[JaD]

I really liked the alternate scene that played out between Eobard and Cisco.

Yeah, I thought that was very interesting. Pretty eerie almost.

 

[herolee10]

I also liked on how (well from my opinion), you could see some irritation from Wells's end when he realized that he would need to give Barry a lending ear in order for the latter to vent out his frustrations regarding the consequences of his time traveling.

 

[Boy Scout]

I agree with some of your criticism, the episode was kind of bad.

It's definitely one of the worst we've gotten so far.

Dominic Purcell is being too campy as Heat Wave, he's a better actor than that, but is the producers' fault for not telling him to tone it down a bit.

He wasn't in it enough for me to form an opinion on him either way.

You really don't like Carlos Valdés serious acting huh!

Not particularly, no.

I agree with you and others regarding the whole Barry-Cold deal, it's terrible writing...

I don't know if I'd call it terrible, but I more or less agree.

And the whole Barry & Iris thing is a trainwreck, she's the worst character of the CWverse, not even Lana was that awful during the first season of Smallville.

My only problem with Iris was her comment about Barry "constantly springing [his feelings] on her" and making her look like "the bad guy" for rejecting him. She made it sound as if it was something he did all the time. Last I checked, he's only done it once.

 

[shadowakalegend]

this Episode was awesome because we finally see what can happend if berry breaks throught the time barrier and how much he can learn and it stays with him and plus we know how much can change and the changes can be drastic even bring in new characters with is awesome.