The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 10

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Yeah iris coming up with the solution to Barry's hacked suit was a bit ridiculous. :funny:
Of all the people in the room
Including the creator of the suit.
Iris had the solution. :hmm

Tech Guy: That could make your suit self destruct!
Doctor: It could stop your heart!
GF Who Probably Majored In Liberal Arts: Trust me.

Personally, I know who I would listen to. More importantly if I were the leader I would have ordered Cisco to open a portal so Barry could walk through it. Then he would have been out of Kilgore's range. Actually I would have pointed out not to bring a high tech suit to a fight with a guy who can hack electronics with his mind but I'll let that one and not just punching Kilgore in the face go because it falls under acceptable amd traditional levels of PIS. Throwing a lightning bolt at yourself doesn't. It is also wierd to me that Iris is showing up at the CCPD and Iron Heights. I'm assuming her role is supposed to be a secret

I did actually like most of the episode though. Cisco has been great. Valdes has grown a lot since the first season. It looks like this season is going to do more with the character than just sit in the lab so that should be good. Poor Wally though. Hopefully he has more to fo this season than get owned by villains... and Barry.
 
Some of you guys really hate Iris. :hehe:

Not an Iris hater and I have the comment history to prove it. I just think having her in a leadership role is stupid and they are making other characters stupider to justify it. I actually blame Iris haters for this. They kept claiming they hate Iris because she had nothing to bring to the team so the show had to manufacture something. It's okay for Barry's personal life to be separate from team Flash. It's okay if his family doesn't help him save the day.
 






































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I actually blame Iris haters for this. They kept claiming they hate Iris because she had nothing to bring to the team so the show had to manufacture something.

Agree with everything except this. She was fine in S1, she had a life that didn't revolve around being with Barry and team flash all the time. But her fans didn't like that, they're the ones clamoring for more Iris. And that's exactly what the show did. Unfortunately, Iris is a limited role and stretching it out only further exposes the character's limitations, just look at everything since S2B. She should be a recurring character at best.
 
Yeah I think I'm going to call it quits for now regarding the show. I just saw clips of tonight's episode and it was just horrible on the Iris front. They've truly emasculated Barry in order to make Iris look like the real hero of this show and I ain't going to put up with that.

Such a shame. I had really been hopeful that this show would get its groove back but they've pretty much hit the final nail in the coffin by making Barry into Iris's lessor half.

So how is anything Iris is doing any different from what Cisco and everyone else has done?

Yeah iris coming up with the solution to Barry's hacked suit was a bit ridiculous. :funny:
Of all the people in the room
Including the creator of the suit.
Iris had the solution. :hmm

She isn't dumb and how does Cisco building the suit automatically mean he knows every solution to the suit? The suit hasnt been built that long and everyone was very in character, Cisco is really the only tech character in the scene.
 
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Wally needs to go on Legends ASAP. He's so useless on the show.

Would it be better for him to be useless on Legends instead? Because being a high end superhero, that's pretty much what he'd be, between the budgetary nerfing and the just general incompetence of everyone on the show.
 
Would it be better for him to be useless on Legends instead? Because being a high end superhero, that's pretty much what he'd be, between the budgetary nerfing and the just general incompetence of everyone on the show.

Yes. I wouldn't have to see him on Flash then.
 
So how is anything Iris is doing any different from what Cisco and everyone else has done?



She isn't dumb and how does Cisco building the suit automatically mean he knows every solution to the suit? The suit hasnt been built that long and everyone was very in character, Cisco is really the only tech character in the scene.

Cisco and mainly everyone else (with the exception of H.R.) have been established as a experts in their respective fields. Barry, who is supposed to be very smart on his own, would actually ask Cisco and company questions for things that most people with average or even highly intelligent people would have difficulty in answering.

Iris may not be dumb but she is definitely not an expert in anything that has to do with science, biology, or mechanics.

And the fact that Barry had to be written into a situation where only Iris could help him figure out a solution for a tech-based problem after the rest of Team Flash have helped Barry overcome bigger problems in the last 3 plus years is just silly.

Things like Iris updating Barry over things like a roadway being under construction while he was still in the speed force makes sense. But other things, not so much.

And I hate on how they always have to give Iris some forced angst/issue which always results in the other characters apologizing to her when they were innocent.
 
Wally needs to go on Legends ASAP. He's so useless on the show.

Problem is that Wally is too strong to be on Legends and would make most of them ineffective (more so than they already are at times).

It's very difficult having to write scenarios that would require two speedsters without taking a chunk from the production budget and where you don't nerf one character to save up on money.
 
I always felt like they brought Wally in too soon, and this show has always had a problem with too many speedsters. They act like it's the most common superpower in all the multiverse.
 
So after the first 2 episodes what do you guys think are the odds that this year can be better then season 1? Or at least 2? Or at least 3?
 
She is terrible way way worse then lana ever was on smallville.

Whoa...whoa...whoa...idk about that... Don't get me wrong...Lana had 10 years to suck, and yes, Iris is on track to probably be worse, but I think it's still too early to say she trumps Lana.
 
Whoa...whoa...whoa...idk about that... Don't get me wrong...Lana had 10 years to suck, and yes, Iris is on track to probably be worse, but I think it's still too early to say she trumps Lana.

For the most part I never had a problem with lana where on the other hand Iris has always been bad and really has just like gotten worse from day 1. I hated hated lana getting with lex but that wasn't in till season 5/6 and before that I had just about zero issues with her.
 
For the most part I never had a problem with lana where on the other hand Iris has always been bad and really has just like gotten worse from day 1. I hated hated lana getting with lex but that wasn't in till season 5/6 and before that I had just about zero issues with her.

It's been so long that I don't remember specific seasons, but her complaining about Clark not letting her in used to get on my nerves. I get that someone would act like that, but if it's obvious that you're gonna be held at arm's length, it's your fault for sticking around. The witch season got on my nerves, and the fact that she always wound up with some piece of **** dude with ulterior motives was trying to say the least. You'd think she'd start to see a pattern. And yeah...her and Lex never made sense to me.
 
For the most part I never had a problem with lana where on the other hand Iris has always been bad and really has just like gotten worse from day 1. I hated hated lana getting with lex but that wasn't in till season 5/6 and before that I had just about zero issues with her.

and we're on season 4 of the Flash, so we still need a few more seasons to finally judge.
 
Cisco and mainly everyone else (with the exception of H.R.) have been established as a experts in their respective fields. Barry, who is supposed to be very smart on his own, would actually ask Cisco and company questions for things that most people with average or even highly intelligent people would have difficulty in answering.

Iris may not be dumb but she is definitely not an expert in anything that has to do with science, biology, or mechanics.

And the fact that Barry had to be written into a situation where only Iris could help him figure out a solution for a tech-based problem after the rest of Team Flash have helped Barry overcome bigger problems in the last 3 plus years is just silly.

Things like Iris updating Barry over things like a roadway being under construction while he was still in the speed force makes sense. But other things, not so much.

And I hate on how they always have to give Iris some forced angst/issue which always results in the other characters apologizing to her when they were innocent.

Barry, who is supposed to be very smart has made VERY stupid decisions since S1. And Iris didn't do anything earth shattering, Barry was about to explode because of a very stupid decision by Cisco (who is so smart that he didn't think of this situation) so Iris, knowing what Barry can do and knows basic things like shorting out technology has him throw a lightning bolt at himself? GROUNDBREAKING. It's totally in her realm of common sense to think of it.
 
Barry, who is supposed to be very smart has made VERY stupid decisions since S1. And Iris didn't do anything earth shattering, Barry was about to explode because of a very stupid decision by Cisco (who is so smart that he didn't think of this situation) so Iris, knowing what Barry can do and knows basic things like shorting out technology has him throw a lightning bolt at himself? GROUNDBREAKING. It's totally in her realm of common sense to think of it.

And Barry's survived getting hit by his own lightning throw before when he fought Zoom. So it's understandable that she'd conclude he has a good chance of surviving it.
 
Her little fanbase makes it worse, just as bad as Olicity and Felicity stans.
Well let not turn this into us verse them in the the fan base of the hype, please.

primal say and killer mc queen did bring up good point's and I just stated in this past weeks episode thread

your correct the thing that are obvious here is that the writers were looking for a way for iris to be helpful & useful and sadly they won't let do that through the profession she chose in the first season which was being an investigative reporter. cause the writers don't care to haveher not be the damsel in distress. they just can't conceive an idea of how to /have her not be that. or to balance it out where she get's her self out of trouble and the other in team flash get kidnapped just as much as her.


the other problem is which other are not mentioning is that
Cisco made the biggest screw up's. it's not that he put too much tech in the suit it's that as soon as he found out there was a meta human witht he power to control machines like a hacker while he was making a antivirus to short out kill gore, he didn't bother to think he should put in an additional feature for barrys suit like the antivirus for him just entering barry suit's computer or to tell barry not to wear the suit til he made sure it wasn't hackable by this new villain .

why? cause they had to make him obsessed over Gypy and their date. which he would have made up to her regardless. it was due to cisco making himself disstracted


so the biggest blunder was there. Next to the weird self-destruct feature. he should have made sure there was a manul shut off on the suit for barry to access that only barry can find on his chest piece emblem.


Now, I know other's have this issue with iris leading the team and to a degree it doesn't make the most sense when she can be just as help with her former career. but sadly ther writers don't seem to care to make it work inthe best way. they still could have had her done that with the job of being an investgative reporter. but they didn't care to. her being on the com's isn't bad idea. but what people are mad or unhappy about is that barry reverted back to I can't , I need a pep talk or tell me what do do mode again .

and he got out that both in season 2 and 3. yes I agree he sadly reverted. the seem to keep want him to go back there and caqn't make up their minds.

there's nothing with any of them bing on the com's anc give him options v but he has to make the choses's. other do this with people inthe opcenters the showv the barve on NBC show this next to NCIS LA. there are tones of Examples.


and there isn't much in iris 's back ground that show leader ship to have earned this. but come to think about it there wasn't much of leader in any of team flash to begin with with the exception of eobard posing as wells.

and there's no real strategy school for her to have gone to.

and sadly all they ever have joe do mostly is to be in star labs reaction when crayness goes down and for him to have a shocked looked onhis face or not know what to think. when he should be rallying a squad of cop's head to the same location barry is act makingsure they surround the area and make sure no civilinan's are nead the area barry's fight the latest villain andcutting of the villain area's of escape. in stead of making reactions to Cisco in star labs and going "what?" all the time.



the real blunder was with Cisco. not even with the bomb/ self destruct mode which was an odd chose. but the fact he did number of major mistakes (1 the fact that he didn't put a manual override on that suit . (2 the fact that as soon as he found out they were dealing with a meta that controls high tech machines , that he didn't tell barry that while he's working on that antivirus shouldn't ear that suit in the mean time which was common sense.


(3 while he was working on that anit virus he made use that he himself was overly distracted. he could have made it up to gypy no matter what it was their first date for crying out loud he's allowed to make mistake and fix especial with their first go at it.

but he made sure he could think of anything like a countermesure if the antivirus in needle didn't that the suit it's self filled with tech that the hacker broke would be a good way to enter that anti virus to kill gore the latest villain. sadly this doesn't spell well for the romance issue the arrow like to make for show cause they always make them more of a problem then they ever should be .

. now both killer Mcqueen and primal slayer said barry has survived his own lighting bolt attack before and it''s almostalways ben usedto knck people out with the excption of sand demon. so there must be a degree of instencty there where it's not overly leathal and he's hold it back. even though sadly ther writer refuse to let that be known.

iris also was barry best friend andshe did do alot of sciene pro ject with him in high school i guess the cut off period was collage. again the issue is about her being leader and I admit there's stuff off about it. she work in coffee show but I dfon't think she was ever manager. and they refuse to any thing inthe investigative report day job that will let her be independent with out being needing to be saved . which is strange that other wirters can do this with lois lane and few otyher from superman bbut can't with her. they were really tryingand have yet to.

was this bad Idea making iris more apart of the team? Not nessarrially. but they refuse to let Joe lead ether. joe the person with the most autority with fighting crime next to barry .


they(the writersof the show) just want him to be confused and half the time. I keep saying why is he in the room . when Joe should have a swat team surrouding the building's / area and exist's and making sure there aren't cilvilans around to be hurt at the final showdown, with the viilain? there's alot the writers don't think the audince would question cause of the parts of the audince they do look at.

Where they think the true audince are dense people. and don't think we won't question certain action's . Sadly.


they(the writers of the show) just want him to be confused and half the time. I keep saying why is he in the room . when he should have swat team surrouding the building and exist's and making sure there aren't cilvilans around to be hurt? there's alot the writers don't think the audince would question cause of the part's of the audince they do look at where they think the true audince are dense people. and don't think we won't question certain action's . Sadly.
 
the thing that are obvious here is that the writers were looking for a way for iris to be helpful & useful
That's the problem, they're trying to force something that hasn't worked since the beginning. Anything they have her do won't work because it's redundant or because she has no background to warrant a sudden upgrade in expertise or experience. And to spend screen time on her getting them is a waste of time, this isn't The Iris Show. Leader, lightning bolt or rock are pretty bows put on the obvious: Iris isn't necessary most of the time but let's pretend she's doing something important. Looking for ways to make her helpful and useful is why we got such mindbogglingly hokey lines such as "there is no Flash without Iris" and "you're not the Flash, we are", and why she's now the "leader".

And blaming Cisco and Joe? Really? If they hadn't written it that way, then how could she get to save the day, be the leader? First it was Barry, now they've added Cisco and Joe to the list of characters used to prop up Iris, and some say this isn't turning into her show.
 
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