The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 7

[BlueLanternKal]

*Insert Darth Vader Nooooooooooooooo meme*

 

[silverstreakusa]

The thing that actually bothers me, is that things are too similar between the two earths. Pretty much every character that exists on Earth-1, also exists on Earth-2 in some shape or form. But some events did unfold differently. Like both Earths have a Green Arrow/Hood, but on Earth-2 it's Ollie's father who made it to the island. So maybe on Earth-2, Henry's mother brought two healthy boys into the world, while on Earth-1, Henry's brother died, but his parents never told him.

Yeah, I know, now it's getting really convoluted. But honestly, I think it will be convoluted either way. If Wesley Shipp, is the man in the Iron Mask, that means it's Earth-2 Barry's father. But from the phone call, we know his mother and father are still together. So how could he be the man in the mask? Did Barry's parents separate, and he's got a step-father now, which is the person Barry's mother went to Atlantis with? And after the divorce, Henry Allen decided to go by Jay Garrick?

But you know, the latter scenario doesn't seem all that farfetched, because I re-viewed that scene, and Dad is on Barry's phone twice. There's a Speed Dial for Dad, and then Mom & Dad.

Remember that E2 Barry and Iris are married, logic would dictate they live together so the single "dad" on thier home phone would just be E2 Joe West. A read erring

 

[SpideyVille]

I'm listening to the Quiver podcast, and they were talking a bit about The Flash, questioning why Patty left so suddenly, and one of the theories they came up with on the spot is that they noticed that people liked her way more than they do Iris, and they might've recognized that they were having another Felicity incident, so they wrote her off to preserve the Iris/Barry romance while they still could.

 

[Dr Lee]

That's an interesting theory...

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Interesting but... If true it goes to my contention from the start that this version of Iris has been handled terribly from top to bottom from the giddyup. Casting and writing are not great, they aren't even good.

 

[Web-Head]

No, because I stopped watching Arrow at midseason.

this!

 

[Mike Murdock]

anyone else kinda annoyed that no one on the flash acknowledged that a nuke had gone off in a small town on Arrow. I get arrow is kinda crap now but they are connected and a nuke isn't something that should be ignored.

I always assume these characters can have conversations off panel. Not every second of their lives needs to be on screen. They didn't show them finding out about Laurel's death, for example, just acknowledging that they already knew. On top of that, I don't know how the timeline is right now and whether the events of Arrow and Flash are happening simultaneously.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I always assume these characters can have conversations off panel. Not every second of their lives needs to be on screen. They didn't show them finding out about Laurel's death, for example, just acknowledging that they already knew. On top of that, I don't know how the timeline is right now and whether the events of Arrow and Flash are happening simultaneously.

My best guess is this last episode took place shortly after Arrow 4-19.

 

[metaphysician]

Interesting but... If true it goes to my contention from the start that this version of Iris has been handled terribly from top to bottom from the giddyup. Casting and writing are not great, they aren't even good.

Also, it fails to see that when your badly handling your intended romance plot, the solution is "fix the romance plot writing". Not "arbitrarily eliminate the competition". Fans largely embraced Felicity in season 2 because she was a *far* better romantic pairing for Ollie than Laurel. Going with this was not a bad idea, the problem was that once they were a couple, the writers then started giving her the same terrible writing quality that Laurel was previously getting.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

I'm listening to the Quiver podcast, and they were talking a bit about The Flash, questioning why Patty left so suddenly, and one of the theories they came up with on the spot is that they noticed that people liked her way more than they do Iris, and they might've recognized that they were having another Felicity incident, so they wrote her off to preserve the Iris/Barry romance while they still could.

Speaking personally, I like Iris way better than I ever did Patty. Patty was fine, but not terrific. It felt like a repeat of "Joe's kid dates his partner" to me, and while she and Barry had chemistry I never really felt their romance. I was hardly disappointed when she left. While this theory may be correct, I don't get it myself because I don't get all the hate Iris gets. If anything, I feel bad that she never gets to do anything (something I think the writers really remedied these past few episodes). I don't find anything wrong with her actress or with the part she plays, and I really don't understand what exactly anyone's problem with her is.

 

[famicommander]

I'm listening to the Quiver podcast, and they were talking a bit about The Flash, questioning why Patty left so suddenly, and one of the theories they came up with on the spot is that they noticed that people liked her way more than they do Iris, and they might've recognized that they were having another Felicity incident, so they wrote her off to preserve the Iris/Barry romance while they still could.

She was cast as a main character in another series. That's why they wrote her out. If they wanted to use her to prop up Iris they could just as easily have killed Patty off.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Yeah, I'd heard Patty was in another show, too.

So I was wondering, when Wally and Jesse eventually discover their powers, what do you think they'll be called? Kid Flash is obvious for Wally but he's not that much younger than Barry (but I can see them playing it for laughs like they did with "Speedy" vs. "Red Arrow" for Thea, and how much she'd rather be called RA). Maybe they call him Kid Flash at Cisco's suggestion and everyone else catches on, but Wally hates it? If they don't use Kid Flash, I could see them using Impulse for him (since I doubt they'll introduce Bart Allen, but who knows). As for Jesse, the only name I could think of is "Velocity." Any other ideas?

 

[famicommander]

Jesse will be Jesse Quick... no reason to think otherwise.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Disclaimer: I'm no shipper. I like the Iris character (when they write her proactively), I really like Candice Patton, I like the idea of Barry and Iris in theory.

With that all out of the way, I haven't been feeling how they've transitioned from friends to... whatever they are. It was much better done last season with the time traveling tsunami kiss. That said they should just power through this story arc until it's not awkward anymore. Or since it's already unintentionally awkward make it intentionally awkward instead so that they could make light of the situation. Just some ideas.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Jesse will be Jesse Quick... no reason to think otherwise.

Oh, come on, you don't think Cisco will give her some kind of nickname? t:

I'm aware that her only name is Jesse Quick in the comics but since that's her real name, I can't understand why she'd use it in the field, too. I'll grant that since she's from E2 nobody really knows her, but...still. Her name, "Quick," is also really fitting for her powers, too. I'm okay if they just use that, but I do have to wonder if they'll give her a show-canon nickname.

 

[batdude]

Speaking personally, I like Iris way better than I ever did Patty. Patty was fine, but not terrific. It felt like a repeat of "Joe's kid dates his partner" to me, and while she and Barry had chemistry I never really felt their romance. I was hardly disappointed when she left. While this theory may be correct, I don't get it myself because I don't get all the hate Iris gets. If anything, I feel bad that she never gets to do anything (something I think the writers really remedied these past few episodes). I don't find anything wrong with her actress or with the part she plays, and I really don't understand what exactly anyone's problem with her is.

They just seemed to have a little trouble figuring out what to do with her after she found out Barry was the Flash. The last couple episodes seemed to fix it. I do think Patton is really hot and a good actress though.

 

[Mask&Cape]

Remember that E2 Barry and Iris are married, logic would dictate they live together so the single "dad" on thier home phone would just be E2 Joe West. A read erring

"Dad" is Iris' father.

"Mom & Dad" are Barry's parents. Nora is alive on Earth-2. Barry speaks to his mom on the phone and they are in Atlantis.

 

[Mask&Cape]

Interesting but... If true it goes to my contention from the start that this version of Iris has been handled terribly from top to bottom from the giddyup. Casting and writing are not great, they aren't even good.

I agree. Iris is being used as nothing more than a "girlfriend" and the writers clearly are not even trying to make her interesting or even a necessary part of the team. I had to laugh in a recent episode when Iris was leaving the lab to go on a date and Barry said they needed her. For what exactly? How Qaddafi her journalism degree going to help him get faster?

Iris simply doesn't do anything except be there and her relationship with Barry is all over the place. He is her brother when she wanted to be with Eddie but when Barry gets a girlfriend she tried to interfere. Now with Rupture, she suddenly wants to get together because a future newspaper said so and she was his wife in a parallel dimension? And Barry has shown no romantic interest in her this entire season.

 

[JC00]

CW and Tribune have reached a 5 year agreement for 12 of their 13 affiliates.

The 13th is Chicago (notorious for preempting CW shows for basketball, baseball and various local Chicago news). It will be moving to WPWR the current Chicago MyNetworkTV station. Which is literally one channel over from WGN (the current channel it is on) on every cable provider in Chicago


http://deadline.com/2016/05/the-cw-t...-2-1201761192/

 

[Lencho01]

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[Nathan]

Since it's happening in the comics now.

[BLACKOUT]I wonder if the show will ever reach the point, where they introduce the proper Wally West. The show is certainly crazy and comic booky enough for it.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Lencho01]

"The Flash" Finale is "Definitely Going to Shock" Fans, Panabaker Promises

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Since it's happening in the comics now.

[BLACKOUT]I wonder if the show will ever reach the point, where they introduce the proper Wally West. The show is certainly crazy and comic booky enough for it.[/BLACKOUT]

Since the show almost certainly won't go long enough for them to really do Wally West Flash, I wouldn't be surprised if Flash and/or Legends have a future version of Wally show up now and then.

 

[Web-Head]

I'm curious to see what season 3 will entail!

 

[gerrym51]

The season ender just ended.

Did Flash just recreate FLASHPOINT?

Are they using this to merge Supergirl into the Flash/Arrow/Legends Universe?