The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 4

[The Infernal]

Nora was an accident.

Which just adds to the drama of Barry trying to study the echo images of his fight with RF to save his mum. He helps cause it.

 

[Perotis]

On another note, I don't know about anyone else, but I really feel like the quality of "Arrow" has been spiraling down as of late.

Which is why i'm so grateful that we at least have this show to lean back on in terms of the CW-DCU.

I agree. Arrow has had some plot lines that don't make any sense.

 

[Broseph44]

I'm surprised how many people love this show, saying things like "Best Show on TV", "Better than the movies" etc, etc. I mean, don't get me wrong, I like the show enough to keep watching it but it's hardly special in my eyes. Though I've noticed for awhile now that my tastes usually don't aline with the tastes of the general audience on about 90% of things that are popular in today's culture, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised anymore.

It's a good little show but some of the superlatives used in this thread to describe how good this show is are a bit much. But to each their own and I digress.

I thought this recent episode was OK, interesting enough to keep my attention throughout but definitely wouldn't call it great. I've never been a fan of doing things only to immediately ret-con them through mostly contrived means. Even with time travel being a big part of the Flashes storyline, just seems weak and overused to me.

Definitely disappointed that Sisco's death isn't going to stick, I find that character and actor extremely annoying and one of the weakest parts of the show. Writing him off would make me more interested going forward.

Iris isn't far behind him that regard, I think the actress is weak, her performance is weak and her storyline is underdeveloped for several reasons, the main one being her jump from thinking of Barry as her nerdy Brother to suddenly being in love with him. Still baffled at how they could cast Danielle Panebaker in the show, but not give her the role of Iris West, she's a lightyears better actress and fits the more traditional version of the character much better than Patton. And personally, of all the duo's on the show that have the best chemistry in terms of romance, that episode with her and Barry going on a friends-date showed that they have way more chemistry together than he has with Linda or Iris, and also more than Iris and Eddie and even her and Ronny, IMO. All that said, I'd rather tone down all the romantic angles period and focus more on the Flash.

It's a good little show, hopefully it doesn't start spinning off into dumb storylines like Arrow seems to have done. I still like Arrow alittle better but man, has that show dropped off this season.

 

[Perotis]

so the flash can get someone out of a car faster than a bolt of lightning can strike. But when the evil villain has his powers disabled and runs away, he can't take the 1/10 of a second it would take to catch him and put him in a cell?!?!?!?!?!!?

 

[protocida]

Becoming a vigilante?

You know, hating the Flash, crying about bringing him to justice because he's a menace now, that kind of stuff.

 

[Herolee10]

By the way, with the remaining number of episodes that we have left, would you guys still want to see Barry discover that he has the ability to phase through objects? Or would you prefer for that to be held off till next season?

And looking back at some of the episodes with the Reverse Flash in action, jeez, it just really shows that any competent speedster who has a full grasp and handle of his powers should pretty much be nearly invincible, especially if they have no qualms about killing.

Realistically speaking, guys like Boomerang and even Green Arrow shouldn't be able to stand up against speedsters like Flash and Zoom.

 

[DigificWriter]

Becoming a vigilante?

I'll tell you one thing, it would be surprising.



Wait... IS Thawne going back to 1998? Does he need to? Once Flash's time travel can be hijacked, he can go back home. No sweat. Nora's already dead, and Thawne doesn't know that Barry knows he's going back in time. He's quite content to obfuscate Barry's encounters with time travel, as much as they alarm him. And as others have said, Thawne's goal was to kill Barry, so my question is...

What would killing Barry before Nora's death do that killing her afterwards wouldn't?

Based on what we know, I think that Barry and Wells traveling through time to Barry's childhood may not have been intentional and has something to do with the newspaper headline from the future that mentions a "Crisis" and "Red Skies". I also believe that Wells and Adult!Barry started a fight that ended with Adult!Barry rescuing himself and Wells accidentally killing Nora.

 

[Paradox1]

I hope his reason for coming back in time is more than a feud between the Thawne's and Allen's.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I'm surprised how many people love this show, saying things like "Best Show on TV", "Better than the movies" etc, etc. I mean, don't get me wrong, I like the show enough to keep watching it but it's hardly special in my eyes. Though I've noticed for awhile now that my tastes usually don't aline with the tastes of the general audience on about 90% of things that are popular in today's culture, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised anymore.

It's a good little show but some of the superlatives used in this thread to describe how good this show is are a bit much. But to each their own and I digress.

I thought this recent episode was OK, interesting enough to keep my attention throughout but definitely wouldn't call it great. I've never been a fan of doing things only to immediately ret-con them through mostly contrived means. Even with time travel being a big part of the Flashes storyline, just seems weak and overused to me.

Definitely disappointed that Sisco's death isn't going to stick, I find that character and actor extremely annoying and one of the weakest parts of the show. Writing him off would make me more interested going forward.

Iris isn't far behind him that regard, I think the actress is weak, her performance is weak and her storyline is underdeveloped for several reasons, the main one being her jump from thinking of Barry as her nerdy Brother to suddenly being in love with him. Still baffled at how they could cast Danielle Panebaker in the show, but not give her the role of Iris West, she's a lightyears better actress and fits the more traditional version of the character much better than Patton. And personally, of all the duo's on the show that have the best chemistry in terms of romance, that episode with her and Barry going on a friends-date showed that they have way more chemistry together than he has with Linda or Iris, and also more than Iris and Eddie and even her and Ronny, IMO. All that said, I'd rather tone down all the romantic angles period and focus more on the Flash.

It's a good little show, hopefully it doesn't start spinning off into dumb storylines like Arrow seems to have done. I still like Arrow alittle better but man, has that show dropped off this season.

 

[DOBSON10]

LOL, sorry guys, I'm just being honest. I still like the show, I just don't see it as even close to the best show on TV or on the same level as most superhero movies that have came out recently. I guess I could have left that part out of my post and just commented on what I like and don't like about the show but when I was reading the thread I just responded to what I was reading.

I like Grant Gustin as Flash, I like most of the Flash storylines, the CGI is much better than I expected for a CW show, I think Cavanagh and Panebaker are good. It's the rest of the show, mainly Sisco, Iris and the poorly written and overused romance angles that bother me. Like I said, it's a good show, I just don't see it as a great show.

 

[Mike Murdock]

By the way, with the remaining number of episodes that we have left, would you guys still want to see Barry discover that he has the ability to phase through objects? Or would you prefer for that to be held off till next season?

Hold off to next season. IMO, they've already advanced his powers to the point it creates plot holes.

 

[mr. peasant]

Hold off to next season. IMO, they've already advanced his powers to the point it creates plot holes.

Don't worry. Barry's so fast he'll just dash past over it.

 

[Dark Raven]

When do people think we'll see the scene of future Barry going back in time to fight Reverse Flash and saving his younger self while Nora Allen dies? It has to be a season finale of some sort, but which season?

 

[mr. peasant]

When do people think we'll see the scene of future Barry going back in time to fight Reverse Flash and saving his younger self while Nora Allen dies? It has to be a season finale of some sort, but which season?

My bets are it will be this season.

 

[godisawesome]

This season seems likely, if for no other reason than this creative team have shown a definite desire to go big their first season on the off-chance they get cancelled. Since they've been escalating since episode 1, I'd say their going to complete their first myth-arc this season.

 

[Dark Raven]

So future Barry on that night will have been Barry only from a few weeks or months from now, while Reverse Flash will be the version from decades or centuries in the future?

Or will Reverse Flash even be Harrison Wells from a few weeks/ months from now?

 

[Lencho01]

Phil Hester Tackles a Different Ollie Queen in the ‘Flash: Season Zero’ Crossover with ‘Arrow’ [Interview/Preview]

 

[gspot]

Based on what we know, I think that Barry and Wells traveling through time to Barry's childhood may not have been intentional and has something to do with the newspaper headline from the future that mentions a "Crisis" and "Red Skies". I also believe that Wells and Adult!Barry started a fight that ended with Adult!Barry rescuing himself and Wells accidentally killing Nora.

The red skies headline is important to wells, because it indicates that Barry's future is still intact. That's why he worked to restore that headline. Without Barry - RF not only is trapped in the past - he has no future to return to. Barry has to become the flash and save the future or wells is not only out of speed juice - the future he is from - no longer exists without the Flash.

 

[DrCosmic]

so the flash can get someone out of a car faster than a bolt of lightning can strike. But when the evil villain has his powers disabled and runs away, he can't take the 1/10 of a second it would take to catch him and put him in a cell?!?!?!?!?!!?

Adrenaline.

I'm not saying that's what happened, but it does allow people to perceive time as slower than they normally would.

You know, hating the Flash, crying about bringing him to justice because he's a menace now, that kind of stuff.

Yeah, they'll probably do that. Wish they wouldn't though.

Based on what we know, I think that Barry and Wells traveling through time to Barry's childhood may not have been intentional and has something to do with the newspaper headline from the future that mentions a "Crisis" and "Red Skies". I also believe that Wells and Adult!Barry started a fight that ended with Adult!Barry rescuing himself and Wells accidentally killing Nora.

Interesting. When Wells said that for him killing Nora already happened, that made me think that Wells is not ever going to go back in time again. But on further reflecting, thinking about how time travel (merging with the timeline instead of there being two Barrys) works, perhaps it is a version of Wells that goes back in time to that same place a second time (the first time he went back in time to Nora's death was when he came from the far future). So whatever Barry is studying from the first encounter doesn't matter, because the second encounter is going to be based on the current Wells, not the one from 15 years ago.

I think Wells is from centuries in to the future, where Crisis is long gone history. His quest to kill the Flash probably has a lot more to do with taking the Flash's place, or perhaps giving it to his ancestor Eddie.

 

[gspot]

I think Wells is from centuries in to the future, where Crisis is long gone history. His quest to kill the Flash probably has a lot more to do with taking the Flash's place, or perhaps giving it to his ancestor Eddie.

That's an interesting theory. But if Wells was trying to give the powers of the Flash to Eddie - presumably so that he could inherit them naturally in the future and no longer be dependent on Barry - wouldn't it have just been easier having already disrupted the timeline when he killed Nora and changed Barry's path - to nurture Eddie - and manipulate events so that Eddie was struck by the lightning - rather that making sure that Barry was....?

His actions were deliberate - he was trying to ensure the creation of the Flash.

And if the Barry isn't around to help end the Crisis - that pretty much seals the fate for the entire universe' future. RF's included.

 

[Herolee10]

I really do hope that someone in the show brings up the issue over how it's somewhat inhumane to still imprison the Meta-Humans that they have underneath Star Labs in the manner that they've done.

Criminals who have done far worse in life have gotten better privileges in prison than the ones underneath Star Labs.

 

[Spooderman]

I really do hope that someone in the show brings up the issue over how it's somewhat inhumane to still imprison the Meta-Humans that they have underneath Star Labs in the manner that they've done.

Criminals who have done far worse in life have gotten better privileges in prison than the ones underneath Star Labs.

It's probably better than handing them over to the authorities. We have people like Eiling and Waller who have no qualms exploiting their powers and creating more damage.

Also with their powers, STAR labs is probably the best containment for most of them.

 

[Spooderman]

I have a crazy theory; Mason Bridge (Iris's Boss) is future Barry. He knows that Wells is evil, but like him is losing/lost his connection to the Speed force so it just a normal guy, but is collecting evidence against Wells.

 

[protocida]

No.

 

[Spooderman]

Prove me wrong.