The Flash The Flash Season 1 Episode 23: "Fast Enough"

[Spider-Aziz]

I miss this show already.

I know that feeling bro.

 

[fantasymoon]

To talk about something else, then the time craziness that happened in the finale, anybody more taken aback by Eobard's death then Eddie's?

I was more sad at his death, and the nightmare fuel way he went out, then I was at Eddie's. Cavanagh made the bad guy to charming and to well acted. I wanted Eobard to get home. The sweet puppy of the show literally put a bullet through his own heart, and yet the death I keep reeling about is the villain's.

I knew, knew Eddie was going to die. I'm to genre savvy not to have seen the writing on the wall. I even had strong suspicions that his death was going to be by his own hand,and so knew what that would mean for Eobard. Yet, still seeing it on screen just floored me. A character we have been with since the pilot, and gotten to know so many layers of thanks to some brilliant acting, disintegrated in front of us just when he was literally seconds from going home. He just didn't die. He was wiped from existence. I think the second part is what's bothering me the most. This is some Xion from Kingdom Hearts level stuff. Anybody else feel like this?

 

[regnak]

No he had it coming.

 

[Nathan]

Didn't feel sorry for RF at all. He was well acted, sure, but you just knew what kind of monster he really was. This is the guy that killed Barry's mother, just because he hates him with a passion. Crushed Cisco's heart in one timeline. Disposes people left and right who might potentially get in his way. I'm not getting sad when I watch him getting wiped out of existence.

 

[Bathead]

No sympathy whatsoever. He got what he deserved. He got himself in this predicament in the first place, he really only had himself to blame, and in order to get himself out of the mess he made, he was willing to kill innocent people and ruin other's lives.

 

[Flash616]

Didn't feel sorry for RF at all. He was well acted, sure, but you just knew what kind of monster he really was. This is the guy that killed Barry's mother, just because he hates him with a passion. Crushed Cisco's heart in one timeline. Disposes people left and right who might potentially get in his way. I'm not getting sad when I watch him getting wiped out of existence.

This is what makes him such a great baddie though!

Every Superhero needs a nemesis.

Batman - Joker
Superman - Zod
Arrow - Merlyn
Flash - RF

As the Joker said to Batman:

"I don’t want to kill you! What would I do without you? Go back to ripping off mob dealers? No, no, NO! No. You… you… complete me."

 

[Spooderman]

This is what makes him such a great baddie though!

Every Superhero needs a nemesis.

Batman - Joker
Superman - Zod
Arrow - Merlyn
Flash - RF

 

[Flash616]

Oh man... That's what I get for watching Man Of Steel last night.

 

[fantasymoon]

I never felt sad for him before, but in that moment I did. Nobody deserves getting wiped from existence. Even plain death would have been better than that. Besides technically Eddie wiped everybody in his line out, and they can't all have been sociopaths.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

didnt feel sorry for RF at all!! in fact i wanted Barry to speed punch that dude in the throat a bazillion times a second! killing Barry's mom was some jacked up ^&* to do that to a kid... but even worst than that to me is killing Cisco! the look on his face that the dude he trusted like a father like he did Harrsion Wells was going to kill him!!that was wrong!! That dude is a Great actor bringing RF to life, but RF was a manipulated dip weed he's IAGO to Barry's Othello and i didnt feel sorry for him one bit!


oh and yeah i am already missing this SHOW!! crap it s going to feel like eternity!!

 

[Herolee10]

Time Paradoxes aside, was anyone else somewhat confused as to why all of Barry's friends were so happy and supportive at the idea of Barry going back and changing his mother's fate, when it would undoubtedly mean that everyone's lives could/would be affected by that action?

I mean as Dr. Stein pointed out, Barry's one action wouldn't just affect his life but everyone else's lives as well. So Eddie having that big "ah ha" moment by rekindling his romance with Iris while Caitlin and Ronnie tied the note, it could have all been undone by Barry's actions and no one even considered that.lol

 

[Batmannerism]

First, I love this show, and even the point I'm about to make doesn't diminish this - sure it means either the writers aren't that smart, or at least think we're not that smart, but I can live with being insulted


I haven't read the last few pages carefully, but someone else must have picked this up.

By killing himself, Eddie prevents RF from existing, awesome !

Well, until you take a second and realise that this act then means that everything that happened this season would then be undone as well.

If RF never exists, then he doesn't travel back in time and kill Barry's mom, get stuck in the past and build the particle accelerator which then ends up creating the Flash.

Oh wait Dave McFly said

Eddie killed himself and Eobard is now dead cause of it. he never went back in time to kill Barry's mom and now Barry will not be flash for what 10 more years?

but yeah, I mean if RF never exists that kind of undoes the whole season.....

I mean, yeah it's a comic book tv show, so really we shouldn't expect it to be scientifically precise ( hell, it's about a guy who can run fast enough to travel through time - which is a lot faster than Mach 2, and even the depictions of Barry running through town show him moving faster than the speed of sound, he should be making sonic booms everywhere, but who cares ? )

Still, this is a biggie, or at least it seems to be - terms of the writers playing it fast and loose with time travel rules.

 

[Herolee10]

I need some time to process quite what that means, but at the very least, it means we're looking at least five distinct timelines:

1. The one Barry leaves during Weather Wizard's tidal wave
2. The one Reverse Flash was born in, in which the Flash was created in 2020.
3. Future Barry's timeline, one in which he presumably went back and saved Nora (a necessity so he'd know to tell present Barry not to).
4. A Flashpoint timeline that comes after Barry saves Nora, one so horrible Barry would tell his present self not to let it happen.
5. Our present Barry's timeline, in which he sees future Barry at his mother's house.

This is all before we consider Jay Garrick. My brain hurts.

 

[Hulk1968]

Yeah, Eobard had it coming.

Even though he'll (RF) somehow be back as will the REAL Dr. Wells. (IMHO)

 

[zenith16]

First off....she never died in the original timeline, the one in which Barry became the Flash and the real Wells invented the particle accelerator (at a later date). So its not her dying that motivated the original timeline Barry to become the Flash. Proof that she never died is that the original Wells lived and and was never killed by a time traveling Thawne (since the original past did not have Thawne going back in time and screwing things up).

2nd, you are assuming that Future Barry witnessed some kind of flashpoint, however the Arrowverse is not the same thing as the comic world, for all we know there will never be a flashpoint like event in the tv world.

I doubt all this cause of what RF told berry and the star labs crew with Joe that he pushed events forward & even told the real dr.wells this before he killed him and took his identity. he doesn't become flash for a other 10 years if it wasn't for him pushing events.

Other wise Barry cause of what happened to his mother would still be on that course cause she died ad his dad was framed. if she didn't die barry wouldn't want job.

To me she is a focal / fixed point to made barry make his chose which will lead him to be come the flash . he's chose to be come Csi lead to his becoming the flash as so he'd received his power make history in the making.


if you don't want see it this way it's fine. I always only speak for my self. but I'm sure seeing that the show had two adult barrys as the flash in the same house the one that saved his child self notice the knows everything cause he experienced it that he had to let his mother die sadly. & the Barry we are fallowing of which that future version told him to not to interfere is enough for me to say it his mom is a fixed/ focal point.


just cause you don't like it , it doesn't make it not the case. or any differentiate event in this show is just showing another variation to the tale & nothing more .

I'll let the show decide for us. it's not my problem after words if your unhappy if it turns it's not what you want to hear.

oh and no the only one that witnessed flash point would be the one that save the child self warned him not to save his mother. the the more seaso more skilled ad mature Barry that ten ahead of the one we're fallowing in this show.


For the time being unless some time season in 3 -4 or 5 if the current Barry we fallow some how is made to do this & experience flash point I wouldn't say he experienced it. that was the was alternate barry the one that is older which Thawne said got his power 10 year later then the one we're fallowing.


other wise I never said anything about the Barry we're fallowing (currently) experienced flash point. I said the one in the house that warned him to back off may have experienced( which is very likely to be the case he did) it.

2nd Barry is the one we're fallowing. he won't experience it unless his mom is saved he is there during that to happen.


more importantly this will all depend what Barry (the one we're fallowing in this show) does to stop the singularity.

 

[dude stannis]

The fact that Tom Cavanagh wont get any kind of awards recognition for his role this whole season is criminal.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

didnt feel sorry for RF at all!! in fact i wanted Barry to speed punch that dude in the throat a bazillion times a second! killing Barry's mom was some jacked up ^&* to do that to a kid... but even worst than that to me is killing Cisco! the look on his face that the dude he trusted like a father like he did Harrsion Wells was going to kill him!!that was wrong!! That dude is a Great actor bringing RF to life, but RF was a manipulated dip weed he's IAGO to Barry's Othello and i didnt feel sorry for him one bit!


oh and yeah i am already missing this SHOW!! crap it s going to feel like eternity!!

You shouldn't feel sorry for him.
I feel sorry for Eddie.

 

[Brian Braddock]

The fact that Tom Cavanagh wont get any kind of awards recognition for his role this whole season is criminal.

Definitely. Once of the fun things about going back and re-watching episodes is being able to re-watch Cavanagh's Thawne/Wells with new found knowledge of what the characters thought processes and goals are, and when you do this you truly realise just how good Cavanagh is.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

If we had to give an award to every TV show actor/tress who played his/her character well there would be a shortage of statues.

 

[Scuffles]

Aaaah! I love this show. I really hope they don't use this cliffhanger to retcon big chunks of this season though, it was too good to wipe.

Whoever gets to be the Flash when the movies come around has a pretty tough act to follow I say!

I loved this episode all round, but I have one little rant. It is absolutely absurdly stupid to have Caitlin be the person to say "What's a singularity?". I understand that we're explaining it for the audience, but you have non-scientists in the room for that. Joe says "What's a singularity?" and it's not so horribly jarring. It's just amazing that a writing team can be responsible for such a good show and have nobody pick that up and say "Wait, she can't say that!".

Rant over!

 

[Lilbaz]

First, I love this show, and even the point I'm about to make doesn't diminish this - sure it means either the writers aren't that smart, or at least think we're not that smart, but I can live with being insulted


I haven't read the last few pages carefully, but someone else must have picked this up.

By killing himself, Eddie prevents RF from existing, awesome !

Well, until you take a second and realise that this act then means that everything that happened this season would then be undone as well.

If RF never exists, then he doesn't travel back in time and kill Barry's mom, get stuck in the past and build the particle accelerator which then ends up creating the Flash.

Oh wait Dave McFly said


but yeah, I mean if RF never exists that kind of undoes the whole season.....

I mean, yeah it's a comic book tv show, so really we shouldn't expect it to be scientifically precise ( hell, it's about a guy who can run fast enough to travel through time - which is a lot faster than Mach 2, and even the depictions of Barry running through town show him moving faster than the speed of sound, he should be making sonic booms everywhere, but who cares ? )

Still, this is a biggie, or at least it seems to be - terms of the writers playing it fast and loose with time travel rules.

Yes it looks like it will not only undo the season but also rip the whole timeline apart. That is the singularity that barry is trying to prevent. I'm guessing barry will come out of it and everything will have changed. The only people to remember the original timeline will be him and cisco.

 

[Lilbaz]

Time Paradoxes aside, was anyone else somewhat confused as to why all of Barry's friends were so happy and supportive at the idea of Barry going back and changing his mother's fate, when it would undoubtedly mean that everyone's lives could/would be affected by that action?

I mean as Dr. Stein pointed out, Barry's one action wouldn't just affect his life but everyone else's lives as well. So Eddie having that big "ah ha" moment by rekindling his romance with Iris while Caitlin and Ronnie tied the note, it could have all been undone by Barry's actions and no one even considered that.lol

For cisco and caitlin they will think that the accelerator would not have exploded. They'd still be respected and have good jobs with the real wells. Caitlin would be happily married to ronnie and might even have kids.
For iris and her dad they love barry and know how much this means to him and will do this to make him happy.

 

[Lencho01]

What's with all this sympathy talk? Pretty sure the writers were not trying to make him into some sort of sympathetic villain. If they were, they really failed.

Word.

 

[regnak]

Time Paradoxes aside, was anyone else somewhat confused as to why all of Barry's friends were so happy and supportive at the idea of Barry going back and changing his mother's fate, when it would undoubtedly mean that everyone's lives could/would be affected by that action?

I mean as Dr. Stein pointed out, Barry's one action wouldn't just affect his life but everyone else's lives as well. So Eddie having that big "ah ha" moment by rekindling his romance with Iris while Caitlin and Ronnie tied the note, it could have all been undone by Barry's actions and no one even considered that.lol

I knew it made no sense but I also knew complaining about it would be a waste of time. Hell Barry's actions ended up creating a singularity and people say "He's not perfect!" and "Who wants to watch a show where they don't risk destroying the solar system?'

 

[JLMHodge]

I admit I did feel a little bit sorry for him, I've always been fond of comic book villains. I'm pretty sure it's not the last we've seen of Eobard.