The Flash The Flash Season 1 Episode 23: "Fast Enough"

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Man i tell you one of freaking coolest thing and without any dialouge was Future Flash telling Barry to saty put as he was fightning Reverse Flash!! that was some true Hero ^&* of you cant change whats already been done!! Freaking COOL!!
and Mannnnnnn i cant wait for Cisco to develop now!! freaking COOL!
 
If Cavanaugh is back next year, that means that the real Wells is still alive. Though I guess Stien could take his place until Legends starts if they want.Awesome Finale!
 
Well he could have just shot himself in the crotch. I mean it would hurt like heck, but he'd still be alive.

Actually, he'd would've bleed himself to death if he did that because there's a major artery running along there. Ever see the original RoboCop? :woot:

Where did you hear tom was going to be back? I would love for him to be has he killed it all year but I haven't heard any thing about that.

It was in an article with EW which just came out, in which showrunner (no pun intended), Andrew Kreisberg revealed the following:

Tom Cavanagh will continue to be a regular on Flash is all I am prepared to say.
 
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America's Got Talent starts next week :P

That is good because there are not a lot of shows I like. I mostly watch sports. The only shows I really watch are like this, Americans got talent and updateable.
 
Actually, he'd would've bleed himself to death if he did that because there's a major artery running along there. Ever see the original RoboCop? :woot:



It was in an article with EW which just came out, in which showrunner (no pun intended), Andrew Kreisberg revealed the following:

Oh sweet I wonder how they are going to use him next season? Did any one think we where going to see Grila grood in this episode a little? I mean we saw him climbing a building a few episodes ago but we never really saw where he was going.
 
Wow! This episode was phanomical. I was at the edge of my seat through the whole episode. Thier is one thing I don't understand. At the end of the episode Barry ran up to that black hole but he didn't close it. I just don't get it.
 
I don't know. Reminded me of Smallville. That show always loved to open and close in big ways compared to the rest of the season.

This show reminds me a lot of smallville but that is why I love the show so much because I loved smallville.
 
Wow! This episode was phanomical. I was at the edge of my seat through the whole episode. Thier is one thing I don't understand. At the end of the episode Barry ran up to that black hole but he didn't close it. I just don't get it.

Cliffhanger lol
 
Maybe I missed it but I am still confused on why RF hates Barry? Was it that in the future he is a villain and Barry stops him and then he finds out that the flash is Barry and so he goes back in time to stop him from being alive so that way he could never be stopped by the flash in the future? Or am I missing something?
 
Maybe I missed it but I am still confused on why RF hates Barry? Was it that in the future he is a villain and Barry stops him and then he finds out that the flash is Barry and so he goes back in time to stop him from being alive so that way he could never be stopped by the flash in the future? Or am I missing something?

They didn't tell us exactly why Reverse Flash hates Barry yet. I guess they want to continue to flesh out the feud in season 2.
 
Final thoughts before bed...

I loved the finale. It was beautiful, and emotional. I actually saw a connection between Iris and Barry, but I feel like they put an end to the romance, even with Eddie's death. I just don't feel a romantic connection there.

Grant Gustin was incredible. He put a lot of heart in this character. The scenes were so well done by him, and really, all his co-stars.

The wedding was cute, and I am happy that Ronnie and Caitlin were able to tie the knot.

Dr. Stein was excellent, as was Barry's dad. Joe and Barry man, mad me weep. Barry and his mom...do we need to even go into this? That was some of the best stuff I've ever seen on TV.

But, with all the good stuff, there was some bad stuff. I don't understand Barry's decision to let Thawne go to begin with. No one really pointed out that it would probably NOT BE A GOOD THING good thing to let the homicidal maniac do whatever time-traveling he wanted...which could have been anywhere, where he could have done anything, despite his insistence that he just wants to go home.

I had a problem with that.

I also wanted to see Barry come to some sort of decision himself, without being influenced by others...including his alternate self.

The main bone I have to pick is Eddie's death. While it made for some fantastic tv, and allowed for nifty special effects, I feel like the whole thing was unnecessary, and perhaps complicates the time travel stuff more than necessary.

But even with that,I still give this episode a ten. The acting was fantastic, and is what saved the show for me.
 
That was disappointing, not unexpected, but disappointing.
I feel bad for the loss of Eddie. :csad:
 
As Billy Bob once said, "A 10... a 10... a ****ing 10!"
 
They didn't tell us exactly why Reverse Flash hates Barry yet. I guess they want to continue to flesh out the feud in season 2.

Oh I thought maybe I just missed it because I thought for sure we would find that out and was looking forward to thought. So you are saying you think RF is going to be back at some point in season 2? I figured season 2 was going to start where they some how stop the black hole and then I figured grila grood would be the main villain for season 2 like RF was for season 1. I loved RF so much this year.
 
Man i tell you one of freaking coolest thing and without any dialouge was Future Flash telling Barry to saty put as he was fightning Reverse Flash!!COOL!

Haven't seen the episode yet, but I don't mind being spoiled. Are you referring the original future flash, or simply our barry going back in time?
 
Oh I thought maybe I just missed it because I thought for sure we would find that out and was looking forward to thought. So you are saying you think RF is going to be back at some point in season 2? I figured season 2 was going to start where they some how stop the black hole and then I figured grila grood would be the main villain for season 2 like RF was for season 1. I loved RF so much this year.

They've said they'd like to have Letscher make future appearances on the show, I don't know if they'd make RF a season 2 main villain, but I could see him making an appearance, since them wanting to use Letscher and bringing back Cavanagh as series regular in S2 says that the S2 premiere will have some impact on the timeline.
 
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This started as a totally random question, but I realized halfway through it this could maybe lead somewhere interesting (just in terms of random fan talk, not where the show would go realistically). If we assume time travel leads to parallel universes, then the universe with Weather Wizard's tidal wive still exists, right? Except, by traveling through time, Barry left it. He left it before fully stopping the tidal wave, so it likely hits. The last thing that Iris would have seen was Barry disappearing into a wormhole. Joe has a broken leg and is Weather Wizard's prisoner, so he's likely dead too. Cisco was killed by Dr. Wells, whose identity has been revealed meaning Caitlyn is likely next.

So in essence, our five main characters (on the hero side anyway) are gone, but our main villain is now trapped in the past, alone, and with no Flash to stop him from doing whatever he wanted, and if he couldn't get home, the alternative isn't all that appealing. Unless Wells saw fit to do so, there would also be nobody to stop any of the other metahumans or non-powered villains in Central City either.

Of course, there is a fairly notable meta human from Central City who's unaccounted for. I'm willing to bet Ronnie Raymond would want some answers if he heard that Caitlyn (and, for that matter, Cisco and Barry) were suddenly either dead or totally unaccounted for. Between he and Professor Stein, I'm guessing they'd eventually be able to put two and two together and realize some level of involvement from Dr. Wells. In other words, we're headed for a reckoning between Firestorm and the Reverse Flash, and considering how badly RF kicked his ass when he had Barry and Oliver on his side, I think it's fair to assume Thawne would get the best of Firestorm and kill both Ronnie and Stein.

Now let's broaden our scope a bit. No Barry means Oliver and Malcolm don't have a deus ex machina "get out of Nanda Parbat jail free" card, meaning (even with the butterfly effect, I think we can reasonably assume their plans would have been roughly similar) there's no Ray super cure to save Starling, so it is destroyed as well, and even if Oliver manages to still kill Ra's al Ghul and save himself, not to mention drag himself back to Nanda Parbat to free the others, they'd have no home to return and no one to blame but themselves. Even if Oliver still wears the hood on his own, I can't imagine Team Arrow making it through that in its current state, so there goes our other major hero and his home city with him.

Going even further, with no Barry, no Team Arrow and no Firestorm, there likely are no legends of tomorrow. That means Vandal Savage's plot likely goes unchecked, or at least checked by someone else (Malcolm's LoA?). Damien Darhk is still out there with whatever evil plans we'll see in S4 of Arrow. The League of Assassins is still a threat in some way, whether it's with Ra's (who kills Oliver in this scenario), Malcolm (who Oliver, for some reason, still gives control of the league to even after they fail), Oliver (maybe watching his city die changes him) or no one giving commands, putting a lot of freelance assassins on the market to be scooped up by god knows who. Oh, and there is the literal 800 pound gorilla in the room who happens to have telepathy and is lurking in the Central City sewers, getting smarter, no Flash to throw him in front of a train. Two major American cities are either destroyed or are in the hands of the criminals. Their heroes are scattered, broken and dead. And looming in the background? A certain "crisis" in 2024 that causes the red skies associated with a certain multiversal villain that has a history with the Scarlet Speedster. So... yea... this is one dystopian universe.

Here is the eventual point I promised. Now clearly, it seems like Barry does not intend to go back in time and save his mom. Therefore, if Flashpoint were to happen, that probably isn't what leads us there. In truth, we probably aren't getting a directly Flashpoint storyline. But here we have a dystopian universe, one created specifically because Barry Allen disappeared. We could either have a dead arrow, or a live one that's been changed greatly from what we've seen and perhaps becomes more volatile and willing to kill (not unlike FP's Batman). We have two decimated cities and multiple large, evil groups that might like to take advantage of that. We have nearly every villain still on the board and a hero vacuum that might create a new "lead" hero like Flashpoint's Cyborg, maybe Ray Palmer, maybe someone else. We also have a world that would deeply affect Barry if he ever got to see it. A universe in which everyone he loves is dead and his home is under siege, all because he's not there. I don't know what machinations it would take to get Barry there, I don't even know if it's possible, and I might just be saying all of this because I realized while writing this how fascinating this world would be, but if the writers ever did decide to do something resembling a Flashpoint storyline, this universe is up for the challenge.
 
Haven't seen the episode yet, but I don't mind being spoiled. Are you referring the original future flash, or simply our barry going back in time?
well i dont want to spoil it for you doom if you havent seen it man.i thought everyone who came in here had already saw it but if you want to know
our barry goes back in time to save his mom, there he meets his Future self who he will become later down the road. his future self comes back to save his past self as a kid from being killed by reverse flash. Our flash thinks about saving his mom only for his future self to tell him not to and to stay back! that he shouldnt try change the past like he wants too!
F%^&*TIME TRAVEL MAKES MY FREAKING HEAD HURT!!!
this is why i always hated KANG the conqueror in Avengers!! that dude always gave me the biggest Migraine!!:cwink:
 
Well I thought that was perfection, the first 25 minutes or so were just filled with one great character scene after another, everyone was at their best, especially Grant, easily his best episode to date. I also loved Hannibal Wells pulling the strings from his chamber.

The actual scenes of Barry in the past were heartbreaking and so well done, it was an impossible choice to make but the pay-off of the season build of Barry getting a final moment with his Mom was perfect and bittersweet.

Jay Garrick's hat! :wow: :D

I loved Wells spaceship and I LOVED the shot of Barry coming through the wormhole and smashing right through it! The final battle between The Flash and RF being interrupted by a gun shot had me expecting to see Joe standing there having shot Wells, the reality that it was Eddie shhoting himself completely caught me off guard, brilliant conclusion for him with a truly heroic sacrifice. :( :applaud

The disintegration of Wells/Eobard as he was erased from time was fantastic and a fitting end(?) for the character.

The cliffhanger ending worked for me and was visually cool. It means season 2 can hit the ground running (no pun intended) With endless possibilities on the table!
 
Oh and also, let's not assume Eddie is dead, or that Cavanaugh has to come back as Wells instead of RF, or literally anything. The episode ended with Barry running into a freaking black hole. All bets are off. Literally anything could be rewritten by that, and I think that was the point of the writers doing that.
 
I already chose to be spoiled a bit.....but I will let myself have a few surprises, so I wont look at that spoiler :)
 
I already chose to be spoiled a bit.....but I will let myself have a few surprises, so I wont look at that spoiler :)
:up: yeah its better that way i think ...but i will tell you it was AWESOME!!:woot:
 
So does have any theories as to what happened to Future Barry? This episode still left his fate unclear.

I'm assuming that Future Barry just simply ceased to exist the moment that Nora was killed. He probably vanished like how Wells did while presumably running back to his house when Thawne was still there with his mom.

The rules of time travel are definitely tricky in this show.lol
 
I think we'll find there are multiple realities and/or timelines. Think more the Star Trek reboot( which created a new time line parallel to the original time line), as opposed to Back to the Future trilogy (in which Marty and Doc rewrite history and there is basically one timeline which can be rewritten). I also think that we'll eventually see Flash Prime,(i.e. future Barry) have a conversation with the Barry we know. I even think we'll see multiple speedsters such as Impulse and the Wally West and Jay Garrick versions of the Flash.
 
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