The Flash The Flash season 2 episode 2 "The Flash of Two Worlds"

[KillerMcQueen]

Um I am confused still about Zoom. He sounds similar to Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse Flash.

And doing some research, I learned that Reverse Flash was also known, or originally known as Professor Zoom...and who is this guy now? Just "Zoom"...and he wears a seemingly Flash-like suit, but looks blue and his streaks are blue.

So I'm not exactly caught up on the Reverse-Flash/Prof. Zoom...or Zoom or whether it's all the same.

I understand Eobard Thawne was like a scientist, and if not, a genius in his time zone but unsatisfied with his time zone...or being a big fan of the Flash...(another version) wanted to meet his dream idol...ended up being in the wrong time zone, and later come to hate The Flash? I don't quite understand. And in what way would that explain how the Reverse-Flash was eventually motivated to want to kill Barry, but ended up killing Barry's mother?

Eobard Thawne/Reverse Flash/Professor Zoom is a separate character from Zoom, who in the comics is Hunter Zolomon.

 

[Lencho01]

he did say everything reverse flash did was for evil purposes how ever with the video confession .... it's looking like the vision Cisco has are becoming precognitive looks into current future events now.


hmmm and what happening the stein ???? might cause of his symbiosis's to Ronny

More like the "ends justify the means" which was for him to kill Barry and get home. Good or bad things would come from all that. Cisco acting this way just seems like they're doing it just for the sake of it.

I'm pretty sure in one of the various trailers or TV spots, they showed Stein with fire (blue I think). So, it's safe to assume it has something to do with Ronnie being gone and him connecting with Jay or Jax Jackson or whatever they call him.

 

[Boy Scout]

Yeah, now that you guys bring it up, I'm confused by what exactly Cisco's powers even are. I thought he was able to "remember" and view alternate timelines, but tonight, I got the impression that he could just see...stuff...that he wanted to see.

 

[Paradox1]

Yeah, now that you guys bring it up, I'm confused by what exactly Cisco's powers even are. I thought he was able to "remember" and view alternate timelines, but tonight, I got the impression that he could just see...stuff...that he wanted to see.

I think his powers are similar to Daisy in Agents of Shield but taken to a cosmic level. In that he can vibrate himself through the space time continuum at will.

 

[Frodo]

Great episode. The new additions of Spivot , who's totally cute, and Jay Garrick really seem to fit nicely into the series. I also liked all the easter eggs like the mention of Blackgate, the recreation of the iconic Flash cover, and the first every live action mention of Earth one and Earth two. All in all, a much better episode than the premiere.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Yeah, now that you guys bring it up, I'm confused by what exactly Cisco's powers even are. I thought he was able to "remember" and view alternate timelines, but tonight, I got the impression that he could just see...stuff...that he wanted to see.

It's sensing things from alternate dimensions. That's why his visions only kick in for characters from Earth-Two this season. In the comics, ARGUS collects him and uses him to locate any inter-dimensional trespassers.

 

[Herolee10]

Well, at least we were able to establish that Zoom can't be Earth One's Eddie from Last Season, given on how it was revealed that Jay has been fighting Zoom for 2 years in his world.

 

[vantheman77]

I don't want either Eddie Thawne or Harrison Wells to be Zoom other than maybe Hunter Zolomon.

 

[king666]

Nice episode. I feel like they're keeping the level of quality from Season 1. 8/10 episode, imo.
Also,

Patty Spivot

Yeah, now that you guys bring it up, I'm confused by what exactly Cisco's powers even are. I thought he was able to "remember" and view alternate timelines, but tonight, I got the impression that he could just see...stuff...that he wanted to see.

Same.

 

[Herolee10]

Oh and a side note, I'm very pleased to see on how Iris has been used (thus far) in Season 2.

Letting her in on the secret and being a part of Team Flash has definitely done wonders for her character. Plus, when the show's not trying to force them together and focuses on their friendship first, it really creates some great scenes between them.

I also love what I see out of Patty as well and while the description for her casting call may have been "Felicity-Like", she definitely comes off as more likable (and durable) to see on the screen than Felicity.

I'm only a bit concerned that Caitlin's newfound attraction to Jay may come off as forced/rushed like how Black Widow's and the Hulk's relationship was portrayed in Age of Ultron.

 

[jokesonm3]

Soo....

Spoiler

Did the Flash just kill a guy.

 

[Herolee10]

I'm hoping that it'll later be revealed that the dude wasn't killed and only got knocked out as a result of being turned into (temporary) glass.

 

[Frodo]

Oh and a side note, I'm very pleased to see on how Iris has been used (thus far) in Season 2.

Letting her in on the secret and being a part of Team Flash has definitely done wonders for her character. Plus, when the show's not trying to force them together and focuses on their friendship first, it really creates some great scenes between them.

I also love what I see out of Patty as well and while the description for her casting call may have been "Felicity-Like", she definitely comes off as more likable (and durable) to see on the screen than Felicity.

I'm only a bit concerned that Caitlin's newfound attraction to Jay may come off as forced/rushed like how Black Widow's and the Hulk's relationship was portrayed in Age of Ultron.

Totally agree. Iris was really good and I can't wait to see how they handle the dynamics with her mother.

I also like Patty. I can see the Felicity comparisons, though I see Patty as more the cute- tomboy- girl next door type character bubbling with energy while Felicity was more the awkward-smart- tech girl type a bit closer to Willow in Buffy .

I think the writers will take it easy if any sort of thing develops between Caitlyn and Jay. Hopefully they've learned from last season that rushing, and CW heavy handed executions of the romances, tend not to work out well.

 

[Infinight888]

So, who else gets the impression that "Zoom" is most likely an Amalgam of Zoom and the Black Flash?

Also, as much as I smiled about the 52 breaches, wouldn't that mean that there are 53 worlds in total?

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I'm hoping that it'll later be revealed that the dude wasn't killed and only got knocked out as a result of being turned into (temporary) glass.

He shattered into pieces. He's dead.

Kill 'em all, I say. Except Dr. Light. She's cool (hopefully).

 

[catch22]

Much better than last week. The girl playing Iris needs to do a better job though. Her acting at times is awful.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I thought it was pretty clear that Atom Smasher was dead. If not, they would have pumped HIM for more information on Zoom or at least mentioned he was in a non-responsive coma or something. Seemed to me he was dead, and... I don't have a problem with that. I am not sure if the intent was to kill him, but that is the key... Intent. As for Sand Demon? Again, not sure Barry meant to kill him either but with his particular power set it wouldn't be a big stretch to have him survive. Much like my problem with the Pipeline prisoners though this shows a big blind spot, for me anyway... Who got custody of the bodies of Atom Smasher and Sand Demon? Maybe Patty being there meant CCPD scooped up, literally, Demon's remains, but who has Smasher's corpse? We know Eiling types would love to get their hands on an interdimensional meta human body, heck, the threat of interdimensional invasion is enough to get the government legitimately involved and not leave this all up to a rag tag band in STAR LABS. Speaking of which... Barry has some kind of ownership of the facility now... Ok... How does that work exactly? How is he paying for everything that's not dependent on his super speed for upkeep like water and electricity? Like the Pipeline prison, again, this feels less like professional writing and more like playing with action figures. Which brings me to... Are we just going to forget about the prisoners Cold let escape last season? They are still out there doing who knows what... Maybe with next episode being about Cold we will get some idea but, again... It seems sloppy for the show not to think about the consequences.

I know people like the bright and breezy manner of the show but for me, I think fans give it a pass for not dwelling on nuts and bolts realities within it's fantasy world just because it's "fun". I really like the show a lot, it's appointment viewing for myself, but... It lets me down a lot when it comes to what I think are details that would effect the narrative or at least affects how seriously I can take the show sometimes... Okay... Rant over. Next episode should be great. Cold is always good on this show.

 

[gspot]

Well, at least we were able to establish that Zoom can't be Earth One's Eddie from Last Season, given on how it was revealed that Jay has been fighting Zoom for 2 years in his world.

Actually - there's nothing to say that the two year gap in time confirms Zoom isn't Eddie. If anything - it could do just the opposite.

If Zoom's speed - like his comic book counterpart - is due to his ability to move through time rather than using the speed force - it's highly likely that Zoom is in fact our Eddie - especially given that the show has already established the possibility of time travel and the multiverse now. Eddie could have come out the other side of that singularity with powers and 2, 3, 5 or however many years - in the past of Earth 2's history - and Jay just didn't know of him until he became the Flash. Or he could have just appeared there 6 months ago and used his speed to move backwards through time as it suited his needs.

At this point - nothing is off the table.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Good episode, I like the induction of Jay into the series Teddy plays him with a different style than we've ever seen the character! I hope he get's his speed back very soon. I want more Zoom, their has to be a reason why he's sending opponents to kill the Flash rather than doing the job himself. Glad to see Flash used the Lighting bolt strike ability from the comics. The nod to a Flash of Two World's definitely nice. The Best part of the episode Harrison Wells of Earth 2 "HELLO"!

 

[chamber-music]

I loved Cisco saying "bless your heart" to Joe when he couldn't understand the Multiverse

They acknowledged the Green Arrow broadcast from Arrow last week!

A lot of Easter eggs this episode.

Recreated the Silver Age Flash crossover cover.

Patty went to Hudson University which is where Professor Stein worked and Dick Grayson went for a semester.

Blackgate name drop.

Cisco using the term 'Vibe' which we know will become his superhero name.

Woodrue Greenhouse mention which was obviously a nod to Jason Woodrue The Floronic Man. Woodrue was played by Smallville's Lionel Luthor in the Batman And Robin movie.

 

[gspot]

I loved Cisco saying "bless your heart" to Joe when he couldn't understand the Multiverse

They acknowledged the Green Arrow broadcast from Arrow last week!

A lot of Easter eggs this episode.

Recreated the Silver Age Flash crossover cover.

Patty went to Hudson University which is where Professor Stein worked and Dick Grayson went for a semester.

Blackgate name drop.

Cisco using the term 'Vibe' which we know will become his superhero name.

Woodrue Greenhouse mention which was obviously a nod to Jason Woodrue The Floronic Man. Woodrue was played by Smallville's Lionel Luthor in the Batman And Robin movie.

So glad I wasn't the only one who caught the Woodrue connection. The Floronic Man! Flash #245 (although Jason first appears in Atom comics #1) so hopefully we'll see Floronic show up this season?

But you missed a great reference - a Superman reference! In the Earth 2 Star Labs scene, behind the group of kids - is an extremely familiar looking rocket, one that bears more than a passing resemblance to the craft that brought the infant Kal-El to Earth.

 

[The Shape]

Much like my problem with the Pipeline prisoners though this shows a big blind spot, for me anyway... Who got custody of the bodies of Atom Smasher and Sand Demon? Maybe Patty being there meant CCPD scooped up, literally, Demon's remains, but who has Smasher's corpse? We know Eiling types would love to get their hands on an interdimensional meta human body, heck, the threat of interdimensional invasion is enough to get the government legitimately involved and not leave this all up to a rag tag band in STAR LABS. Speaking of which... Barry has some kind of ownership of the facility now... Ok... How does that work exactly? How is he paying for everything that's not dependent on his super speed for upkeep like water and electricity? Like the Pipeline prison, again, this feels less like professional writing and more like playing with action figures. Which brings me to... Are we just going to forget about the prisoners Cold let escape last season? They are still out there doing who knows what... Maybe with next episode being about Cold we will get some idea but, again... It seems sloppy for the show not to think about the consequences.

I know people like the bright and breezy manner of the show but for me, I think fans give it a pass for not dwelling on nuts and bolts realities within it's fantasy world just because it's "fun". I really like the show a lot, it's appointment viewing for myself, but... It lets me down a lot when it comes to what I think are details that would effect the narrative or at least affects how seriously I can take the show sometimes... Okay... Rant over. Next episode should be great. Cold is always good on this show.

No offense, but I think it's actually you who is dwelling too much on the logistics and "nuts and bolts realities" of this show. You equated the writing of this show to "playing with action figures" because they didn't explicitly state how and when they pay bills for water and electricity...

 

[Loki882]

I don't really care about "who gets the bodies of the bad guys" because that doesn't really effect anything. I DO have a problem with things that seem to contradict what the show is trying to push Barry and co as being (heroes). The prison, and him just apparently killing his enemies (unless they aren't dead, but they sure seemed to be), especially after Joe giving Oliver crap for killing bad guys last season, fall into the latter category.

 

[Cain]

I loved the Earth-2 aesthetic how it's quite modern and in the present but still looks very Golden Age as a tribute to the original pre-crisis Earth-2 from DC Comics. Reminded me of Burton's Batman.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

No offense, but I think it's actually you who is dwelling too much on the logistics and "nuts and bolts realities" of this show. You equated the writing of this show to "playing with action figures" because they didn't explicitly state how and when they pay bills for water and electricity...

Hey, maybe it's not germane to you or others but if Barry and pals are going to keep using the facilities, keep coming up with new gear and use the tech there, then I think that kinda needs an explanation in the show. Where are the resources to do that coming from? Hey, the real explanation is it's a show where they already have that set built and damnit, they are gonna get some use out of it.

But really... The computers, satellite hook ups, and yes the power for things like the holding cells, which they are still using... That should somehow be explained even if it's, "Wells gave you ownership and with that you are now in charge of the funds budgeted to keep STAR operational" or something. And the playing with action figures thing I think is apt. It came to me when they went all those episodes holding those prisoners in the Pipeline. When we were kids you always got the play set with some sort of "jail" to put the bad guys in, but since we're kids we don't think about the logistics of keeping a human being locked up, much less ones with powers. It was enough just that they were " behind bars". And apparently for a nice chunk of the previous season... The writers of the show were in the same mindset because the show never touched on it. Characters in cells for weeks looked exactly as they were when they first arrived. That to me is silly. That's power Rangers level nonsense. I can't go two days without a shower or a shave but these characters were held in cells with no bathroom facilities and no sense of how Barry and friends fed or cared for them in any way. My gut tells me that's why they wrote out the villains they were holding. It was an untenable situation they had written.

And I do think, given what this team of protagonists has gone through, that yeah, they probably should be concerned about the bodies of dead meta humans from other dimensions falling into the wrong hands. They know that there are men like Eiling out there that are trying to harness meta human abilities ect.

I like the show. I have watched it every week, but these things stick out to me as a weakness in how they approach their world and stories and characters. I am all for "it's just a show just relax" when it comes to a lot of my super hero fiction. I don't think things like magic or super powers all need airtight explanations. This show has already gone "timey-whimey" with it's time travel/timeline stuff and.., that doesn't bother me. But I do think there are aspects in terms of writing for this to be a world that I can buy into without having to just hand wave it as "it's just a show" that have been and continue to be sloppy. Again... I think many fans just give it a pass because "it's fun" and feel somehow such details would detract from that. I think such things would enrich the show, but... Strokes and folks and all that.