Discussion in 'Iron Man 3' started by Thread Manager, Apr 17, 2013.
If I could 'like' this post I'd do it a billion times.
He exists. Either Ben Kingsley plays the Mandarin or [BLACKOUT]it turns out that Guy Pierce was Mandarin the whole time.[/BLACKOUT] Either way he's still in it.
And nobody knows for sure how it ends, so keep hope alive.
HYDRA was derived from Nazis, not Germans, and there's a big distinction between the two in Hollywood. Nazis have been used as the token villain for years, and they are perceived as part of the Third Reich and Hitler's army, and in a way separate from Germans. That's why they can be used in many movies, almost like they're the personification of evil.
Mandarin, on the other hand, was originated using very negative Chinese stereotypes. Yes, I know that he has been reinvented many different times, but having a name like Mandarin will still elicit some bad feedbacks from the Chinese moviegoers. To use your example, it'd be like creating a villain named "Latino" and designed him with many Latino's negative stereotypes. It's a very sensitive issue.
So what actually happens to
character in the end?
Whoever he is.
Is that all wrapped up in a neat bow or left open ended?
That's what I'm saying, though. [BLACKOUT]If Ben Kingsley is the Mandarin, then he's a drunken idiot so the chances of him ever using the actual rings in a future movie are low. Unless he's just acting like a drunken idiot in IM3 and is actually cunning. And if Pierce is the Mandarin then that's even further away from the character than Kinglsey's version is and even his version is still pretty close because at least he has the rings(even though they're probably fakes). Not to mention Killian/Mandarin is supposedly dead after IM3.[/BLACKOUT]
Avengers changed plenty from the source material. I don't remember seeing the Pyms anywhere in that movie.
bravo. the greatest thing youve ever posted. lol. i agree completely. sure we were all excited about him being a potential villain. but seriously the mandarin has never been that big of a villain. I cant say that im too disappointed. Plus like it or not, the makers of this film respected the mandarin enough to have him be played by a great actor and it seems like he gives a great performance. So im pretty satisfied
once again, great post
I'd actually say Justin Hammer and his family are probably Stark's greatest foes. Too bad they ruined Hammer in the MCU and won't likely use him again.
Also it's GOODBYE FOR RDJ who prolly won't be back. Let's see how everyone feels when Ashton Kutcher takes over, eh?
We will, kthx bye^^
ME TOO! I HATE YOUR POSTS AND THEY GIVE ME CANCER!!!
See how silly that looks?
*Sigh* Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of how it seems like it's going to play out either. But, it'll be well acted and from all accounts they pull it off pretty well, so I'm reserving judgement until I watch it all happen.
I'll do the same.
What I've gotten out of it is, [blackout]"The Mandarin" is this idea Killian cooks up for a terrorist figure to use in the media. So he hires a washed up, boozed up actor to play the "role", and Tony finds out it's just an actor at some point. And then towards the end of the movie, Killian takes credit for it and says he's "the real Mandarin" as he cooked up the idea for it and is responsible for all of it, in front of and behind the scenes. But really it's just a character he came up with[/blackout]
But again I haven't seen the movie, that's just what I've gotten out of all the spoilers
It'd be cool if they keep the Mandarin going where Kingsley like finds some actual powered rings and then in a rush of power decides to actually embody the image he was falsely portraying.
Sounds probable. Good call.
YAY! Jumping to conclusions is exhausting. I try to avoid it as much as possible.
That would be incredibly lame. The Mandarin needs to be someone brilliant, with the rings as the cherry on top. Having an actor find the rings would miss the point of the Mandarin completely.
Alright, pretending to follow others' logic here... The Mandarin comic character sucks but they decided to use him anyway in the movie [blackout]and pulled the rug out from underneath "him"[/blackout]. So/But is [blackout]Guy Pearce amazing in his "cameo"?[/blackout]
him posing as a lunatic, while secretly controlling Killian VIA extremis, making the world think Killian was the mastermind is certain brilliant...I'm banking on it. Not because of the character, but because of the hype, and the fact that he was in the movie
I tend to disagree, but to each their own I guess.
The Mandarin in the comics is an aristocrat who spends all of his fiefdom's money turning himself into a perfect ubermensch warrior. He bankrupted himself and by extension all the people he ruled to do this. He's a metaphor for the industrial-military complex. That's his origin and that's what defines him. Finding the rings is almost an aside with that character.
If you make him an actor who finds the rings, you destroy the most important part of his origin.
He is not Ring-Man.
this may be true, but I'll just re-hash a point that has been mentioned multiple times over the past 5 or so pages: This is not the comics, it is the film universe and things are going to change. If making him "ring-man" as you say works better within the context of the film universe rather than the brash, power hungry whatever then that's the better route to go. And if it's already established that a Mandarin is in the MCU now (Killian or Kingsley) then they clearly aren't going to adapt the original comic origin if they ultimately decide to continue the Mandarin character.
Yes, but they are clearly trying to keep the spirit alive by making Kilian a part of the military industrial complex who is brilliant and who is eating up people's lives to make himself more of a warrior ubermensch. They've kept the spirit of the character even if they haven't kept the rings.
Your idea would keep the rings but lose the spirit of the character by making it an actor who finds them.
Your idea is the exact reverse of how they do things in movies, as they prioritize spirit over superficial details.
No, he's also a 60's asian sterotype who's apparent vast popularity is apparently only now being discovered.
I'm all for either route I suppose as long as it's executed well on screen. That's if they even decide to keep up the Mandarin character past this film.
Again can anyone PLEASE whose seen the film answer:
Can Anyone describe in spoilers please how Ellen Brandt is in the movie? Does she totally beat the **** out of Tony in the film? I hear Tony has multiple run ins with her and she totally kicks his ass?