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Washington calling Netanyahu Chicken****

...Another manifestation of his chicken-****idness, in the view of Obama administration officials, is his near-pathological desire for career-preservation. Netanyahu’s government has in recent days gone out of its way to a) let the world know that it will quicken the pace of apartment-building in disputed areas of East Jerusalem; and b) let everyone know of its contempt for the Obama administration and its understanding of the Middle East. Settlement expansion, and the insertion of right-wing Jewish settlers into Arab areas of East Jerusalem, are clear signals by Netanyahu to his political base, in advance of possible elections next year, that he is still with them, despite his rhetorical commitment to a two-state solution. The public criticism of Obama policies is simultaneously heartfelt, and also designed to mobilize the base.

Just yesterday, Netanyahu criticized those who condemn Israeli expansion plans in East Jerusalem as “disconnected from reality.”

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Read the whole article here:

The Crisis in U.S.-Israel Relations Is Officially Here

Source: http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...israel-relations-is-officially-here/382031/2/

Also here:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...n****-say-us-officials-in-explosive-interview


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Israeli ethnically cleanses Bedouins, forces them to live in graveyard

Mekorot, Israel’s national water company, implements the official policy of cutting off the water supply to Bedouin communities. It along with the Jewish National Fund and the state of Israel work together to drive the Bedouins from their homes as plans progress to bring 600,000 Jews to the Negev and Galilee regions of present-day Israel by 2020.

Source:

http://electronicintifada.net/content/how-israel-forces-bedouins-live-graveyard/13969

9th Palestinian Child Murdered by Israeli Soldiers



Baha al Din Samir Bader, 12, became the 9th child to be fatally shot by Israeli Soldiers in the West Bank this year. Bader was killed after Israeli Soldiers raided his home town of Beit Liqya, after a confrontation between the military and local youth. Bader was not involved in this confrontation, and was shot in the chest while returning home from playing football.

Baha’s death brings the number of children killed by live ammunition in the West Bank by Israeli forces to a total of nine since the beginning of 2014. Palestinian children are frequently killed and injured by the use of excessive force that includes crowd control weapons and live ammunition. Under a “policy of impunity,” none of the soldiers implicated in these incidents have been held to account.

Source: http://www.dci-palestine.org/documents/palestinian-boy-fatally-shot-israeli-forces

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About time somebody called out Mr Yahoo for what he is, to bad the whitehouse is playing it down
 
It is good they are playing it down. I don't mind if it comes from a media pundit or someone voicing their frustrations. They have the right to freedom of speech even if it is childish speech. But an "Unnamed" Obama administration official calling Netanyahu Chicken **** just makes this administration look even more immature and unprofessional. That is why they want to calm the storm. They never provided the person who said it. Could be a 20 year old intern for all we know.

Alistair Baskey, spokesman for the National Security Council, said the criticism does not reflect how the rest of the administration views Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. “Certainly that's not the administration's view, and we think such comments are inappropriate and counter-productive,”

Baskey said in a statement. “Prime Minister Netanyahu and the president have forged an effective partnership, and consult closely and frequently, including earlier this month when the president hosted the prime minister in the Oval Office.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ries-to-ease-flare-up-over-netanyahu-insults/
 
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Ladies and gentlemen, the disgusting justice system of the so-called "most civilized, democratic and humane country in the Middle East". For all those ostriches with their heads still stuck in the sand about the downright apartheid-like culture in Israel when it comes to the treatment of Jews and Palestinians, this should serve a nice little wake-up call. Or maybe not, as every single atrocity committed by the Israelis under the false pretenses of security gets overlooked right quick.
 
I am finding it difficult to source those news stories from newspapers that I consider to be neutral. Can anyone help?
 
Neither of us have the resources to prove their truth or fabrication.

I am not, as it happens, making any judgment on their veracity, but would prefer to read an account from a neutral news source in order to better understand the context.

And, no, I do not consider al'Jazeera or the Guardian to be neutral on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
 
Neither of us have the resources to prove their truth or fabrication.

I am not, as it happens, making any judgment on their veracity, but would prefer to read an account from a neutral news source in order to better understand the context.

And, no, I do not consider al'Jazeera or the Guardian to be neutral on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

These are not some op-ed pieces showing only one side of the issue. These are factual news reports quoting Israeli officials about legislation they have passed. I mean, the last JPost link actually has a video of Netenyahu putting stone-throwers and terrorists on the same footing for crying out loud. And the Al-Jazeera link has a video of the Israeli police spokesman defending the ridiculous law. What the hell else does one require? If only you had bothered to actually read the articles and their content instead of burying your head in the proverbial sand under your ill-defined pretenses of impartiality, you would have immediately realized that both stories had been reported independently by each paper's respective journalists on the ground there, rather that being just some AP story that gets passed around verbatim.

The Jerusalem Post and Haaretz are both Israeli publications by the way. So please, stop with this "neutrality" nonsense of yours.
 
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Settle down. As I said, I would simply be interested to read some comment or analysis on those stories from a newspaper that I consider to be neutral. I prefer not to leap to "OMG!!!" conclusions. Obviously, the tweeter has sought to link two independent stories in order to make a point about inequality under Israeli law. I don't want to simply swallow that whole at first instance, because as we all know, law is rather labyrinthine and can deliver up some seemingly contradictory outcomes. So I want to see whether this contrast has been picked up on by more reputed news sources.
 
Nov. 18: Two Palestinians storm Jerusalem synagogue, kill four and wound eight.

Three of the dead were born in the United States and the fourth was born in England, although all held dual Israeli citizenship. Six others were wounded, including two police officers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Jerusalem-synagogue-axe-attack-laid-rest.html

The horrific attack at the Kehilat Yaakov synagogue on Agasi Street was the deadliest in Israel since a Palestinian assailant killed eight students at a Jewish seminar in March 2008
 
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Good Luck?....

Well that's California for you... :doh:
 
That video is always going to give a skewed outlook. Firstly, a university campus isn't a very good place to gather data. An issue as hotly debated as the Israel/Palestine dynamic has been picked up on by trendy pseudo-intellectual sophomores that'll shout sophisticated things like "**** Israel" to a guy waving an Israeli flag and say "Good Luck" to the guy waving the ISIS flag. One shouldn't ask for good political input from uneducated and trendy yuppies.

Another thing it does though is exaggerate how much animosity there is for Israel, if this guy went to a library, an outdoor market or an old age home he'd be getting different/less extreme answers than going to a known liberal/left-wing University in the USA.
 
Palestine to Seek War-Crimes Charges Against Israel

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A day after the U.N. Security Council rejected a Palestinian resolution to end Israeli occupation by 2017, President Mahmoud Abbas announced that Palestine would pursue war-crimes charges against the Jewish state in the International Criminal Court.

"They attack us and our land every day, to whom are we to complain?" Abbas told a gathering of Palestinian leaders, according to Reuters. "The Security Council let us down—where are we to go?" The remarks were broadcast on official television.

Israel is not a member of the international court at The Hague, and does not recognize its jurisdiction. The court has no police force of its own, according to the Associated Press, "but it could issue arrest warrants that would make it difficult for Israeli officials to travel abroad."

According to the Jerusalem Post, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that Israel would defend the men and women of the IDF—"the most moral soldiers in the world."

A U.S. State Department spokesperson called the Palestinian move "entirely counterproductive," the AP reports. Presumably Palestinians feel the same about American opposition to their bid for independence.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/5769...estinians-plan-next-steps-after-failed-un-bid

Not surprised by this move and even though they have no jurisdiction on Israel it would be something for an international court to denounce what they are doing
 
Sadly, I think that while ISIS and the Pakistani Taliban continue to exist, any international condemnation of Israel will be met with a shrug.
 
US, UK condemn latest Israeli plan for settler housing as 'illegal, illegitimate'

The United States and the United Kingdom on Friday both condemned the Israeli government’s plan to issue new tenders for housing units in the West Bank.

Israel published tenders on Friday for the construction of 450 new housing units in the West Bank, a move that critics denounced as a political gesture ahead of a March general election.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/US...ettler-housing-as-illegal-illegitimate-389538



Meanwhile :

Hundreds of thousands of children shell-shocked after the war in Gaza


More than 370,000 children have been left shell-shocked by last year's Israeli attack on Gaza.

There is no shortage in Gaza of stories of severely traumatised children still gripped by the after-effects of the war. The 50-day conflict left 539 Palestinian children dead and close to 3,000 injured, but according to United Nations, the mental scars have been just as devastating, if harder to quantify.

Link:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...dren-shell-shocked-after-the-war-in-Gaza.html
 
But here is a good question, is the right of return a feasible thing or is it just easier establish two different states and simply settle most refugees in a new Palestinian state?

There is no land to give without causing a conflict with another country. I think a two pronged approach by allowing return of refugees back to their homeland by Israel and a focused effort by neighboring Arab, Turkish, as well as European and the US/Canada to allow the refugees a choice to immigrate to those countries since the Palestinians being evicted from their own country was a product of WW II and the promotion of Zionism. Palestinians should not be kept at a low 20% or less population demographic as the Israelis would like, but should make up a sizable population in Israel. Israel needs to give up the claim that its nation is a "Jewish" state and a state that is not religious in character, but pluralistic and secular. Palestinian should be a ethnic group given equal rights and they need to admit that Palestinians exist and deserve a basic right to live in their ancestral land. Give equal rights to the Palestinians and destroy any Jim Crowe like laws that currently exist against non Jews.

A new political establishment has to be met on the Palestinian side that has to concede that they cannot push all the European and Asian Zionist immigrants out of Palestine and that in order to allow a right of return, not everyone can unfortunately become a citizen of Israel / Palestine. Those that do not get a chance to come back, will be given permission to immigrate to the Commonwealth, EU, or N. America. Those that currently live in Jordan, Syria, and Egypt will have to be given equal rights and citizenship status in those respective countries, or possibly a deal needs to be worked out to include them in the right of return.

Hezbollah and Hamas will lose their power base if the refugee camps close, and there will be no need to smuggle in weapons as Palestinians will also have to actively enlist in this new nation. With settlement of refugees and basic rights granted, Iran will have less sway and it might actually help to diffuse tensions instead of raise them so long as good action is met with good diplomacy by the US and it's Arab and Muslim allies in the region.

It is interesting to look at the logistics of this issue, if we resettle the displaced Palestinians from 1948 and their children and grand children, how would we handle. Let's say the grandson of the guy who kicked a Palestinian out of his house is living there now, what do we do with him? Do we kick him out of that house and then what happens to him? Would this person end up supporting a xenophobic party in Israel?

Displacement of Israelis is not the goal, but integration of the the Palestinians. They absolutely may not be able to evict Israeli families, but they should be allowed to buy land and given housing in Israel. Reparations given to returning Palestinians should be enough for them to get housing in Israel and of course, the next generations should be allowed equal opportunity to purchase a home anywhere in Israel, including their ancestral ones. All written and non written laws in Israel that bar Jews from selling homes to Arabs must be revoked.


I'd expect this process to take about 30 years to complete and it must be met with N. American, EU, and Commonwealth Aid to Israel to develop housing and mediate the integration.
 
Dude stop it already!!! The Palestinians and Arabs LOST how many wars? To the victor goes the spoils of war!

Also please explain to me how come Arab nations continue to house Palestinians in camps while not allowing them to gain citizenship??
 
I have no dog in this hunt. I will say that they have been at each other's throats for thousands of years and will continue to do so long after we all here are long gone.
It is what it is. Carter got close to fixing it, so did Clinton, but it's now back to how it use to be. tit for tat.
 
Why Is Everyone Angry With Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu?

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On March 3, the Israeli head of state Benjamin Netanyahu will speak before both chambers of Congress about the ongoing negotiations between the United States and the Iranian government over the latter’s ability to acquire and develop nuclear technologies. It’s already considered one of the most controversial political speeches in recent memory, and it hasn’t even happened yet.

What’s going on with Netanyahu’s address, and why is everyone so worried about it? This is an explainer for people who need to catch up on Washington’s latest dispute. We’ll start with some background on Netanyahu, go over his reasons for giving the speech itself, and conclude with why it is so controversial.

Why is Netanyahu speaking to Congress tomorrow?

On January 21, House Speaker and Ohio Republican John Boehner invited Netanyahu “to address Congress on the grave threats radical Islam and Iran pose to our security and way of life.” Boehner extended the invitation in the context of the Obama administration’s ongoing negotiations with Iran about its stated desire to develop nuclear technology, which require a supply of enriched uranium.

Netanyahu’s speech will address the potential threat a nuclear-equipped Iran would pose to Israel. Iranian leaders say they want enriched uranium for the purpose of building nuclear power plants, but both the U.S. and Israel (along with many of their Western allies) suspect Iran plans to stockpile enriched uranium to eventually build nuclear weapons. Many Israelis, and Netanyahu in particular, believe a nuclear-equipped Iran would specifically target Israel, and that the United States is underestimating Iran’s appetite for nuclear weaponry.

Netanyahu is particularly motivated by the fact that the Obama administration has rejected Congress’s recent calls for economic sanctions against Iran. The President believes those sanctions would derail negotiations with Iran, thereby risking armed conflict in the Middle East.

Netanyahu, by contrast, has said a nuclear Iran poses an “existential threat” to Israel, based on Iran’s well-known hostility toward Zionism, the 19th-century national movement that led to Israel’s establishment in 1948. Iranian officials, including its Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, have vowed to destroy Israel (which they frequently refer to as the “Zionist entity” or the “Zionist regime”) in retaliation for the dispossession of the Palestinians. Former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called Israel “the most criminal regime in human history” and a “germ of corruption [that] will be wiped off.” (Ahmadinejad also believes the events of the Holocaust were invented to embarrass Germany.) The country’s current president, Hassan Rouhani, has referred to Israel as a “festering Zionist tumor.”

Is that why Netanyahu’s speech is so controversial?

It is not particularly controversial to argue that a nuclear Iran would threaten Israel’s security or that the United States is insufficiently skeptical of Iran’s justification for wanting enriched uranium. Iran’s violent rhetoric toward Israel is no secret, either. The source of the speech’s controversy, instead, is the manner in which it was planned, scheduled, and announced.

When representatives of a foreign country want to address Congress, they are expected to prepare their speeches in consultation with the President of the United States. This diplomatic protocol is considered particularly important for leaders of Israel, given their state’s longstanding friendship with the U.S.

Netanyahu deliberately ignored this protocol. He accepted Boehner’s invitation and, with the help of Ron Dermer, the Israeli ambassador to the United States, ensured that President Obama was not made aware of the invitation until Boehner had confirmed its details. Boehner, for his part, made it clear that he had invited Netanyahu to rebuke the President, thereby aligning Netanyahu with the Republican Party against Obama and the Democrats.

In response, Obama announced that he would not be meeting with Netanyahu, citing the vicinity of the March 17 elections in Israel. “We do not see heads of state or candidates in close proximity to their elections,” a spokeswoman for Obama announced in January, “so as to avoid the appearance of influencing a democratic election in a foreign country.” More than two dozen Congressional Democrats intend to boycott Netanyahu’s speech to show support for the President.

If Obama isn’t going to meet with Netanyahu, then what exactly is the controversy?

The Obama administration is obviously unhappy with the fact that Netanyahu planned his speech before Congress without consulting the President, and undoubtedly consider the Israeli leader’s actions controversial in and of themselves. But Netanyahu’s breach of protocol does not fully account for the level of rhetoric surrounding his speech.

What is this rhetoric are you talking about?

Netanyahu’s speech is widely seen as dangerous, even lethal, to U.S.-Israeli relations. Obama’s national security advisor, Susan Rice, recently told PBS host Charlie Rose that his speech was “destructive of the fabric of the relationship” between the two countries. “Netanyahu’s Speech in Congress Is a Revolting and Dangerous Gamble,” reads a recent headline on Slate, which leans liberal. “The prime minister and his advisors—people who have a better grasp of Washington culture than most Israelis—have gotten so deep into the issue that they’ve lost sight of political reality,” the conservative magazine Commentary asserted.

How is Netanyahu’s speech dangerous to U.S.-Israeli relations?

The basis of this argument concerns the historically bipartisan nature of the United States’ relationship with Israel. Since it was founded in 1948, the U.S. has remained Israel’s strongest and most consistent ally. The American government directs $3 billion in military assistance to Israel each year, and has diplomatically supported the country by rejecting hundreds of U.N. resolutions condemning its treatment of Palestinians in the Israel-Palestine conflict. The level and nature of U.S. assistance to Israel has not meaningfully changed since the 1970s, when the U.S. began disbursing large-scale aid to the country.

What does that have to do with Netanyahu?

For aligning himself with John Boehner, numerous parties have accused Netanyahu of treating the security and support of Israel as a “partisan” issue. Susan Rice, for example, said the Israeli leader had “injected a degree of partisanship” into U.S.-Israel relations. Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic—whom Roger Cohen of The New York Times once called Netanyahu’s “faithful stenographer”—wrote in January that “Netanyahu’s management of his relationship with Obama threatens the bipartisan nature of Israel’s American support.”

What does “injecting a degree of partisanship” mean, though?

It basically means that Netanyahu is subjecting the State of Israel to unpredictable disagreements between Republicans and Democrats. This poses a problem to pro-Israel interest groups, such as the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), who have argued that the strength and longevity of the United States’ relationship with Israel derives from the fact that the country draws bipartisan support. Alienating one of the major political parties, this argument goes, would risk dividing American support for Israel along party lines. Such a division could plausibly affect Israel’s safety; after all, nearly all of American aid to Israel is designated for military purposes. For Israel, maintaining bipartisan U.S. support is therefore treated as a matter of national security.

The actual risk to U.S.-Israeli relations, however, seems minimal. While American support for Israel is the subject of public discussion and protests, particularly on college campuses, it is not the subject of any real political debate on the national stage. The two major parties in Washington remain enthusiastic supporters of Israel, and mostly agree to place the countries’ relationship beyond the realm of day-to-day politics.

Then why are people so worked up about this?

While Netanyahu’s speech does not necessarily endanger the U.S.-Israeli relationship, it certainly helps highlights how singular it is. And the simple act of discussing the countries’ relations implies, to some, that there’s something wrong with them. The question indirectly raised by Netanyahu’s actions is indeed a fraught one: Should American support for Israel be subject to any form of political debate?

Wait, why isn’t Israel subject to political debate?

The underlying reasons for this situation are a topic of longstanding disagreement. It is true, for example, that a majority of Americans support Israel, and tend to approve of its actions during armed conflicts with neighboring countries and territories (including Operation Protective Edge in the Gaza Strip last summer). This is not necessarily unintuitive, since Israel positions itself as a Western-style democracy that welcomes exiles, primarily Jews, from other countries. There are a number of key differences between the U.S. and Israel, including the latter’s establishment as a Jewish homeland and its present occupation of the Palestinian territories, but in several ways the countries, and their liberal ideals, line up with each other.

Some believe, however, that American support for Israel is largely due the activity of organizations that try to steer American policies and attitudes in a pro-Israel direction. One is the aforementioned AIPAC, which aggressively lobbies Congress to pass legislation advantageous to Israel (such as placing economic sanctions on Iran). Another is Christians United for Israel (CUFI), which commands influence among American evangelical Christians and funds the construction of Israeli settlements in the West Bank (based, in part, on their belief that the Jewish people must occupy the entirety of Palestine before the second coming of Jesus Christ).

AIPAC, CUFI, and other groups were the subject of an infamous 2006 book, The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, whose authors blamed a coalition of pro-Israel outfits (the ‘Israel Lobby’) for shaping American policy not only toward Israel but the entire Middle East, at the cost of American interests abroad.

As you may have guessed, the topic is extremely contentious, and many politicians would rather not attempt into debate it.

So this is why everyone’s so worked up about Netanyahu’s speech?

Benjamin Netanyahu’s fear of a nuclear Iran is not groundless. Nor are the various grievances aimed at him. Washington worked itself up about the Prime Minister’s speech, however, because he decided that the Iranian threat mitigated his responsibility to preserve his relationship with Democrats, in hopes that Democrats would preserve it for him. And in all likelihood, they will. But the reason this dispute became a storm is that it placed previously marginal questions about U.S. support for Israel closer to the center of political debate. For the president and legislature of Israel’s most generous patron, this development represents a very different but no less menacing kind of threat.

http://gawker.com/why-is-everyone-angry-with-israeli-prime-minister-benja-1688286836

Good read for anyone not familiar with the situation like myself. It does seem pretty stupid for him to ally with the R's like that but I think we all know in the grand scheme of things it's not going to have much effect down the road really. There are lots of additional links at the source link
 
BREAKING NEWS: "Bibi" is An A**hole
 
well, first, regardless of what he said, he'll always be an a-hole, its just his personality

second, I feel its completely inappropriate for a foreign leader with a piss-poor diplomatic track record like his to come in front of his cheerleaders in our congress to push his policy agenda; his claim that it's not partisan is laughable, going around the sitting president and speaking out against his diplomatic efforts is literally the definition of partisan.

how do we think the republicans would act if Obama invited China's Xinping over to push for the TPP in front of Congress (an issue I disagree with the administration on strongly)?? That's right, they'd lose their friggin' minds.

So now, not only do we have to deal with massive corporate lobbying campaigns, now we have foreign leaders making a show of it for their campaigns

On top of that, Bibi offered zero evidence for his side, basically boiling it down to "Iran still sucks, I promise!" despite the overtures that Iran has made since Rouhani took office. Granted, those are probably just that, overtures, with no real follow through. But having one belligerent *****e to tell us not to deal with another belligerent *****e is not exactly convincing, as well as being the height of hypocrisy coming from that man's mouth. He also offered no viable alternative to the deal, and seems content with the state of constant brinksmanship. Its either that, or the man is just really aching for all out war.

Then he drops biblical references to make this into a friggin' holy war of the good Isrealites fighting the evil Persians. The man needs to stop drawing his foreign policy from a 3000 year old book of moral fables.

At one point he said "If iran wants to be treated like a normal country, they must act like a normal country"
Same can be said for your administration there boyo

I'm not in any way trying to say we should suddenly trust Iran, or that the deal will work as intended, but having this friggin guy state his opinion in front of Congress pushes me the complete opposite direction on the issue
 
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