The Joker Thread - Part 1

[Eddie Dean]

I meant that the actors you mentioned are very current actors

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Going off of looks alone,

Willem Dafoe
Bill Skarsgard
Caleb Landry-Jones
Joaquin Phoenix (skinny)
Joe Gilgun
Bill Hader
George Mackay
Andrew Garfield

Roth is par with most of those and is way closer than Hader, my dude.

 

[AndyTrevino]

Roth is par with most of those and is way closer than Hader, my dude.

Argh, ye sure about that, boy-o??

 

[Eddie Dean]

Hader's face is too square for The Joker, especially compared to Roth.

 

[AndyTrevino]

Hader's face is too square for The Joker, especially compared to Roth.

I think his grin and eyes balance it out. Plus, if you really want to, you could use prosthetics for the cheekbones, nose, and chin.

 

[AndyTrevino]

I'd personally argue IMHO that prominent cheekbones and a pointy chin are more important than a long face for Joker. Honestly, I think that's the case in most comics. Pointy chin, HUGE smile and prominent cheekbones. I don't know that it's so important for him to have a long face.

 

[AndyTrevino]

Hader's face is too square for The Joker, especially compared to Roth.

In the nicest way possible, he has a very goofy-looking face nonetheless that could be perfect for Joker.

 

[metaphysician]

Well, you said "driven by tragedy", so I just assumed that meant making him sympathetic.

Tragedy happens to lots of people. Part of the point of the Joker is that tragedy doesn't "make" you good. Your choices in response to it make you good. . . or not.

 

[AndyTrevino]

Tragedy happens to lots of people. Part of the point of the Joker is that tragedy doesn't "make" you good. Your choices in response to it make you good. . . or not.

At the same time, everybody's different. I don't really blame the more sympathetic versions for snapping after the **** they went through. But I'd kinda prefer for his origins to be murky to begin with.

 

[AndyTrevino]

1966 Joker: The Prankster
Burton's Joker: The 30s Mobster
Nolan's Joker: The Terrorist
Ayer's Joker: The Gangsta :-/
Phillips' Joker: .....The Mass Shooter?????
Reeves' Joker: The Demon?

 

[C Prometheus]

Not sure what led me exactly to doing this right now, but I'm currently listening to Caleb Landry Jones' solo album The Mother Stone from start to finish. On its own, the album isn't bad, and it's very heavily inspired by late 60's/early 70's rock like Sgt Peppers-era Beatles, David Bowie, Syd Barrett-era Pink Floyd and even a hint of Peter Gabriel-era Genesis IMO.

But oddly enough, listening to this album feels like the strongest 'proof of concept' to me for CLJ as a potential Joker pick. Obviously he's shown he's got the acting chops and look for it in a ton of movies, but there's something about the demented, hallucinatory quality of this music that evokes the character to me.

 

[shauner111]

 

[Art Vandelay]

I feel like Tim Roth might have been a good choice ten years ago.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

The more I think about it the more I want to see The Joker in this trilogy.
I definitely think he should be saved for the third film, but his presence and impact on Gotham should be felt in the first two.
He doesn’t need to be constantly referenced or anything. Just slowly built up as something terrifying and horrible that exists out there.

Then in the 3rd movie give us this

 

[AndyTrevino]

I feel like Tim Roth might have been a good choice ten years ago.

Ten years ago, sure. In Pulp Fiction he kinda had a good look for the character there. Now, I'm not so sure; he seems to have taken a break from huge, starring roles.

 

[AndyTrevino]

@C Prometheus

 

[AndyTrevino]

Not sure what led me exactly to doing this right now, but I'm currently listening to Caleb Landry Jones' solo album The Mother Stone from start to finish. On its own, the album isn't bad, and it's very heavily inspired by late 60's/early 70's rock like Sgt Peppers-era Beatles, David Bowie, Syd Barrett-era Pink Floyd and even a hint of Peter Gabriel-era Genesis IMO.

But oddly enough, listening to this album feels like the strongest 'proof of concept' to me for CLJ as a potential Joker pick. Obviously he's shown he's got the acting chops and look for it in a ton of movies, but there's something about the demented, hallucinatory quality of this music that evokes the character to me.

Yeaaaaah, there ya go. His look in Antiviral, from what I've seen, seems very appropriate for a movie monster-type Joker. I could definitely see The Joker listening to weird, experimental music; that's something I've been trying to get into myself lately through noise rock, oddly enough, specifically a group called Part Chimp. It's a very abrasive, interesting sound.

 

[AndyTrevino]

The more I think about it the more I want to see The Joker in this trilogy.
I definitely think he should be saved for the third film, but his presence and impact on Gotham should be felt in the first two.
He doesn’t need to be constantly referenced or anything. Just slowly built up as something terrifying and horrible that exists out there.

Then in the 3rd movie give us this

This would be.....oddly appropriate. Build him up as something utterly malevolent, and then his first scene he comes off as relatively harmless. THEN he becomes super creepy and terrifying.

 

[Eddie Dean]

I feel like Tim Roth might have been a good choice ten years ago.

What if I told you... ten years ago was The Dark Knight?

 

[Micromind]

1966 Joker: The Prankster
Burton's Joker: The 30s Mobster
Nolan's Joker: The Terrorist
Ayer's Joker: The Gangsta :-/
Phillips' Joker: .....The Mass Shooter?????
Reeves' Joker: The Demon?

Phillips' Joker: Anarchist

 

[Captain Tired]

No, Ledger's Joker is the anarchist. Phoenix's Joker is a nihilist.

 

[C Prometheus]

@C Prometheus

I mean, I've repeatedly said I like CLJ for the part before! I'm not sure if I prefer him or George MacKay for the part though. Still, appreciate the warm welcome!

Listening to the album though, there's a part of me that's very much in "Have your cake and eat it too" mode that really wants to see this Joker be both inspired by old school movie monsters and David Bowie.

Which, granted, I don't think is particularly impossible. Especially after looking at Batman R.I.P.

 

[AndyTrevino]

I've very much been in "Have your cake and eat it too" mode as well. I'd love a flamboyant, colorful Joker, but at the same time a horror Joker would be the bee's knees.

 

[Schlosser85]

I watched that dinner table clip of Caleb Landry Jones in Get Out, and I can see it a bit. He has that edgy unpredictable vibe.

Anything else I should watch of him to add to that?

 

[AndyTrevino]

I watched that dinner table clip of Caleb Landry Jones in Get Out, and I can see it a bit. He has that edgy unpredictable vibe.

Anything else I should watch of him to add to that?

I've seen a couple clips of Antiviral, and I think he's pretty good there as well. In Get Out, he had a very jumpy, unpredictable thing going on. In Antiviral he's got more of a stranger, creepy vampire thing going on, like that kind of craziness that bubbles just below the surface.