The Joker Thread - Part 1

[Rorschach2012]

It would be so nice if somehow we could get Pattinson, Phoenix, and Robbie together in The Batman 3.

I’m convinced you can find a way to consolidate these characters in one movie. Play loose with continuity and references and just plop these characters in a movie together. The unreliable nature of Robbie’s Harley and Phoenix’s Joker leave some wiggle room in terms of inclusion.

Flashpoint would be really helpful right now to set everything straight.

 

[Invader Joker]

It would be so nice if somehow we could get Pattinson, Phoenix, and Robbie together in The Batman 3.

I’m convinced you can find a way to consolidate these characters in one movie. Play loose with continuity and references and just plop these characters in a movie together. The unreliable nature of Robbie’s Harley and Phoenix’s Joker leave some wiggle room in terms of inclusion.

Flashpoint would be really helpful right now to set everything straight.

I don't think it's impossible.
Different version of the Joker played by Phoenix, one that's not Arthur Fleck and is a bit more comic accurate, and a darker reboot of the Harley Quinn character but still played by Margot.
Granted, who knows how likely it is, but it's not impossible per se.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I’d like to see a more gleefully sadistic Harley Quinn in a Batman movie. Antihero Harley is fine on her own, but as a villain in a Batman movie, she needs to be... you know... a villain.

Margot is great, but I’m thinking more along the lines of the Arkham Games. That was a perfect Harley.

 

[Wheels]

It would be so nice if somehow we could get Pattinson, Phoenix, and Robbie together in The Batman 3.

I’m convinced you can find a way to consolidate these characters in one movie. Play loose with continuity and references and just plop these characters in a movie together. The unreliable nature of Robbie’s Harley and Phoenix’s Joker leave some wiggle room in terms of inclusion.

Flashpoint would be really helpful right now to set everything straight.

Nah. No thanks. Just let Reeves get his own actors.

 

[Schlosser85]

Margot Robbie's Harley is about as tonally clashing with Phoenix's Joker and the overall tones and aesthetics of their respective movies/universes as anything I can imagine.

 

[Invader Joker]

Margot Robbie's Harley is about as tonally clashing with Phoenix's Joker and the overall tones and aesthetics of their respective movies/universes as anything I can imagine.

That's why I said the only scenario in which that can happen is if they played totally different versions of their charactes. Not impossible, but unlikely.

 

[Schlosser85]

Or just let Reeves have his own actors in his own universe.

 

[shauner111]

Joaquin won’t play a different Joker. That’s like a betrayal to what he just did. If Bale did that it would be sending a message that the arc in The Dark Knight Rises didn’t mean anything. This would do the same with Todd Phillips’ movie and universe.

Margot said it perfectly in an interview that Harley’s Gotham is way more heightened and colourful than Joaquin’s, so it would clash. And she doesn’t think his Joker would work well with a Harley Quinn. She wished her and Heath’s Joker got together. That would have been interesting because Ledger’s Joker would do nothing but use her and it would be believable.

I would need to see Reeves’ Gotham first though. Right now it feels like we have three completely different looking Gotham cities.

 

[Eddie Dean]

If Joaquin does appear in Reeves' Batman, he obviously will be a "different" Joker. It's called light continuity baby!

 

[Rorschach2012]

Under the same direction, I don’t think the tonal clashes would be as bad as you guys think. These are three versatile actors.

I remain convinced that Joaquin’s Joker can fit in Reeves’ universe if they try hard enough. Audiences are forgiving, a few lines acknowledging broken continuity and Joker’s exaggerated memory would go a long way.

I just feel like it’s easy to mess up with the Joker. We have an incredibly well received Joker already, and we have seen two recent examples that demonstrate how Joker can be done poorly (Leto, Monaghan). It’s a big risk for Reeves. I do think he could pull it off, but it also might pay off if he gets Joaquin to return.

At this point, there are VERY few actors that would get me as excited as Joaquin being brought back.

Ben Foster, Michael Pitt, Lakeith, Will Poulter, Caleb Landry Jones... these guys are all great character actors and I think they could pull it off. But the one actor that would actually get me hyped would be Adam Driver. He’s the only alternative for me right now.

 

[Boom]

I don't want them to "try" and fit Joaquin in. I just don't see the point in bending over backwards for this when it may result in trying to force a round piece into a square hole.

First it's a matter of whether or not Reeves would even want to use the character.

Then it's a matter of whether or not Reeves would even want to use Joaquin for his take on the character.

Then it's a matter of whether or not Joaquin would even want to play Reeves' take on the character.

Just too many if's for me to even consider this a possibility. I have a much easier time buying Joker 2, which returns Joaquin to a version of the character he loves with (presumably) a director he trusts.

Joaquin's Joker is perfectly fine as a standalone take on the character. Let it be what it is. There are plenty of other talented actors out there that can offer up something fresh and exciting while operating within the scope of a Batman film.

 

[Rorschach2012]

So many of you lack imagination. It is completely still possible for Robbie, Pattinson, and Phoenix to appear in the same film.

like Eddie Dean said: “light continuity baby!”

 

[Schlosser85]

Why do they need to?

 

[Eddie Dean]

Joker was huge. Movie studios like to make money. If you put Joaquin Joker against Pattinson Batman (if people like it) you're gonna generate lots of buzz which means more money!

 

[Boom]

Joker was huge. Movie studios like to make money. If you put Joaquin Joker against Pattinson Batman (if people like it) you're gonna generate lots of buzz which means more money!

Batman v Joker draws money regardless.

 

[Boom]

So many of you lack imagination. It is completely still possible for Robbie, Pattinson, and Phoenix to appear in the same film.

like Eddie Dean said: “light continuity baby!”

It's not a lack of imagination. It's simply recognizing that there are at least three major hurdles to overcome:

1. Reeves: "I don't want to use Joker."

2. Reeves: "My Joker is different from
Joaquin's and I'd rather find someone else to bring it to life."

3. Phoenix: "I'm not interested in playing in a Batman movie."

So are we to assume that WB would force Reeves' hand here? I'm sure that would go well. And again, this entire conversation is wholly moot if Phoenix is like, "Yeah fam I'm not feeling it."

Sure, the thought of Phoenix playing a different version of the character that is more in keeping with the comics is super dope. But it's pure fantasy.

 

[Rorschach2012]

It's not a lack of imagination. It's simply recognizing that there are at least three major hurdles to overcome:

1. Reeves: "I don't want to use Joker."

2. Reeves: "My Joker is different from
Joaquin's and I'd rather find someone else to bring it to life."

3. Phoenix: "I'm not interested in playing in a Batman movie."

So are we to assume that WB would force Reeves' hand here? I'm sure that would go well. And again, this entire conversation is wholly moot if Phoenix is like, "Yeah fam I'm not feeling it."

Sure, the thought of Phoenix playing a different version of the character that is more in keeping with the comics is super dope. But it's pure fantasy.

You’re overcomplicating this. And it REALLY is a lack of imagination. It’s so simple. If Reeves wants these characters and actors, and they also want to be a part of it, it’s as simple as hiring them and adding a few throwaway lines that won’t bother or confuse anyone aside from fanboys.

I recognize there are various factors that would have to align, but this is WELL within the realm of possibility.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Batman v Joker draws money regardless.

I bet that using an unproven, new Joker would result in less $$$ than using the established Phoenix Joker against Pattinson’s Batman. Audiences loooove build up and pay off.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Lots of assumptions being made here. Maybe Reeves would want to use Joaquin. We have no idea!

 

[Invader Joker]

It's not a lack of imagination. It's simply recognizing that there are at least three major hurdles to overcome:

1. Reeves: "I don't want to use Joker."

2. Reeves: "My Joker is different from
Joaquin's and I'd rather find someone else to bring it to life."

3. Phoenix: "I'm not interested in playing in a Batman movie."

So are we to assume that WB would force Reeves' hand here? I'm sure that would go well. And again, this entire conversation is wholly moot if Phoenix is like, "Yeah fam I'm not feeling it."

Sure, the thought of Phoenix playing a different version of the character that is more in keeping with the comics is super dope. But it's pure fantasy.

Why are you assuming Reeves doesn't want to use the Joker for a future film, in the first place?

 

[Invader Joker]

Hypothetically speaking, the idea of Reeves and Phoenix getting long, Phoenix being interested in Reeves as a director and Reeves on Phoenix as an actor, does not sound insane at all. It's not impossible.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Maybe Joaquin would like to act against an exciting young actor like Robert Pattinson!

 

[Boom]

You’re overcomplicating this. And it REALLY is a lack of imagination. It’s so simple. If Reeves wants these characters and actors, and they also want to be a part of it, it’s as simple as hiring them and adding a few throwaway lines that won’t bother or confuse anyone aside from fanboys.

I recognize there are various factors that would have to align, but this is WELL within the realm of possibility.

I'm not overcomplicating this at all. If anything you're oversimplifying it. Sure it would be great if Reeves wanted Phoenix and Phoenix wanted Reeves and everything just fell into place so perfectly. But I don't think you can just shrug off those 3 scenarios like they aren't genuine roadblocks.

I can imagine a lot of things, Rorschach. Doesn't make them any more realistic and likely. I've followed Joaquin Phoenix's career for a long time, and I've watched just about every interview he did for Joker. He's given me no indication at all that he'd be up for something like this.

I'd be thrilled to be wrong (provided it's a new take). But I don't see the point in humoring this. You clearly see differently, so have at it.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Lots of assumptions being made here. Maybe Reeves would want to use Joaquin. We have no idea!

I agree

all I’m saying is that if Reeves, Robbie and Phoenix want to work together on this, that it can totally work. Light continuity is the simple solution.

I don’t know where these continuity sticklers are coming from. The Batman franchise has had wonky continuity since 1995.

 

[Boom]

Why are you assuming Reeves doesn't want to use the Joker for a future film, in the first place?

Why are you assuming he does?

That's all we're doing here, Invader.