The Joker Thread - Part 1

[Eddie Dean]

This guy don't know who Rupert Grint is?

 

[Schlosser85]

This guy don't know who Rupert Grint is?

I know you know this is what I meant, but for Boom's sake I'll clarify I'm asking who the guy in the pictures is.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Caleb Landry Jones

 

[Eddie Dean]

Leto was really good in Dallas Buyers Club and Requiem For A Dream. And fit his character in Blade Runner 2049. He just doesn’t know what to do with Joker, his ideas were awful. Not to mention piss poor costume design, writing & direction.

Gotham is garbage. Every second that I saw of it.

Leave Margot/Harley in the Birds of Prey/Suicide Squad universe where she can thrive.

Of course I’d love to see Joaquin and Rob. But I don’t like this “light continuity” idea. The general audience won’t care but I find it lazy. There needs to be universe logic or it takes me out of a movie. Sorry. Not gonna cut it for me. A good screenwriter can’t be good at what they do if they can fix it in a heartbeat. Unless the timeline adds up. Either...

A) The Batman is set in the late 90’s and there’s a few lines about Bruce’s parents being killed in the 80’s Joker riots. There’s been a change in the architecture (this sounds ridiculous even reading it back to myself). But it’s kinda confirmed to be set in 2021-ish. OR..

There is no “letter B” because the alternative is Arthur Fleck is 70 years old and Batman is 30 in a current time frame. That’s dumb, you may as well recast and rewire Joker so an actor who is Rob’s age can play the part.

I’ll only entertain one more thing: if Rorschach or somebody else can convince me on a way to make Arthur be the Joker but it’s all a b.s story that he’s telling in the final scene of Todd’s film (inside Arkham). What if a Joker 2 is set in the 2020’s and he’s the same age, he escapes Arkham and legit thinks it’s the 80’s. It’s all a delusion and his mind plays tricks on him? I’m throwing hail mary’s here to justify this. Help me out guys.

You ever hear of Hypertime my good man?

Hypertime

 

[Invader Joker]

Just have Joaquin play a permawhite version of Joker that has nothing to do with Arthur. It's that simple.

 

[WatchProtect]

Just have another talented actor (they exist outside of Joaquin) play a permawhite version of Joker that has nothing to do with Arthur. It's that simple.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Except another talented actor isn't coming off a big hit they won an Oscar for.

 

[Invader Joker]

Yeah but Joaquin just seems like a perfect match for Pattinson and plus imagine all the money tho

 

[Eddie Dean]

Joaquin Joker is just as big, if not more so, than Ledger's Joker. There's a huge cultural impact. There's a lot of money left on the table if another actor comes in.

 

[WatchProtect]

It's a pointless battle. At the earliest Reeves isn't using Joker until 2024. Which is 5 years after Joaquin would have played Joker. I'm sure in a span of FIVE years, more actors will win Oscars.

 

[Eddie Dean]

It's not just about the Oscar, it's all the buzz around his version of the character.

 

[WatchProtect]

But you're assuming that buzz will last another 4-5 years. Batman buzz is enough on its own, and another actor being announced for A Bat-sequel will generate the same level of buzz over time.

 

[Invader Joker]

Joaquin has left a giant mark. If he came back to play the character for a Batman vs Joker movie, even if it was in 7 years, that'd be ****ing gigantic.

 

[WatchProtect]

At this point I'm hoping he isn't cast out of spite. I can not think of ANY reason to bring Joaquin back, over casting a new actor who can do a different take, and make the character their own

 

[shauner111]

So the city looks like New York in 1981, but looks like Glasgow in 2021?

The multiverse thing may happen with the Flash movie but I can’t see Reeves pitching that to Joaquin and him being interested. Spin that pitch the way you want, to an actor like him it’s gonna sound like a pure cashgrab reach to get him in their Batman movie. He’s all about character and story. Not excuses to link a universe to make money.

Team CALEB LANDRY JONES

 

[Eddie Dean]

CLJ got the crazy, but I don't think he has the menacing. He always comes off as a little twerp.

 

[Vaibow]

Hmmm. I feel ya. I have a hard time seeing him do it, but I wouldn't be against it either. And like you said, there are definitely some great actors who'd love a go at it, I'm sure.

Joker is an enormous role to fill.. look at Leto, he was laughed out of town. Any actor that takes on the role, if it wasn't Phoenix better have thick skin and be damn good.

I think it's almost undeniable Pattinson and Phoenix would play extremely well off each other.

They would be amazing. I would totally save Joker for the third movie, but, have him feature ins one way in the second... like a cliff hanger of sorts, he's in jail... Arkham - been there for decades - Gotham still whispers his name, Bruce knows it, hears it.. memories of that night... his memories are scorned with the taste of his cigarette stained thumbs.. the main that tore the city apart and then took his parents.

So many of you lack imagination. It is completely still possible for Robbie, Pattinson, and Phoenix to appear in the same film.

like Eddie Dean said: “light continuity baby!”

I would say it is a complete lack of imagination to just shoe horn them together like that.

I've said it before - Fleck is in jail for life almost, he's mid 40s in the movie, that means he's released around 65 - Willem Dafoe is that age now, if he were to play Joker, a lot of people would be happy... so I see it as this..

It's the same universe - Bruce has to leave town, he's tormented - he can't let go.. his parents killer came to his house, he spoke to him, tasted his dirty fingers in his mouth. The city loves Fleck for a while, an infamous celebrity - he has to get away and work on his ptsd.

Bruce comes back with a vow for this to never happen again and to change the city.. he handles mob bosses, cat bunglers, terrorists... but the big bad, the man that created this all, is out and ready to play.

So things to iron out - is Reeve's batman set in 90's - seems that way. Was Alfred mentioned by name in Joker? He wasn't - the guy Arthur grabbed could have been anyone.

As long as Reeves doesn't cast a new Thomas Wayne, there ya go - Fleck gets out late 90's and you have your match up. Phoenix can age up easily... 45 - 65 really isn't that too far a stretch plus it won't be filmed for a while. I like the idea.

Esp if they do a Joker sequel and we see a young Pattison on the tv/magazine as Bruce.

 

[Art Vandelay]

I love this guy. He's like a cocktail of Heath Ledger, Willem Dafoe, Brad Dourif, and Paul Bettany.

Can you stop pushing for this guy, it's not going to happen.

 

[shauner111]

CLJ got the crazy, but I don't think he has the menacing. He always comes off as a little twerp.

And Ledger never played menacing/psychotic but Nolan saw other things in him and knew he could play it if given the chance. Ari Aster only saw Florence Pugh in Lady Macbeth and was floored, offered her the part of Dani in Midsommar because he was interested in seeing her play a fragile person instead of a cold girl in control of her emotions.

Caleb can play menacing if given the chance. And I’d argue that he had it in Get Out.

 

[shauner111]

Can you stop pushing for this guy, it's not going to happen.

Don’t be ridiculous. He’s young, a good actor, fits the part, Pattinson loves his work and I’m sure Reeves could be interested.

 

[Eddie Dean]

That's a bit of a silly argument. Might as well say Tim Allen should play The Joker because he has never shown his serious dramatic chops before.

Plus CLJ is definitely coming along with the Hobo Joker look I'd like to get away from.

 

[Invader Joker]

Don’t be ridiculous. He’s young, a good actor, fits the part, Pattinson loves his work and I’m sure Reeves could be interested.

When did Pattinson say he loves his work?

Caleb seems to me a Jared Leto-esque type choice. Someone that could go wrong very very quickly and would overdo it.

 

[Invader Joker]

I'll go one step further and say that Caleb Landry Jones is basically a poor man's Paul Dano.

 

[shauner111]

Joker is an enormous role to fill.. look at Leto, he was laughed out of town. Any actor that takes on the role, if it wasn't Phoenix better have thick skin and be damn good.



They would be amazing. I would totally save Joker for the third movie, but, have him feature ins one way in the second... like a cliff hanger of sorts, he's in jail... Arkham - been there for decades - Gotham still whispers his name, Bruce knows it, hears it.. memories of that night... his memories are scorned with the taste of his cigarette stained thumbs.. the main that tore the city apart and then took his parents.

I would say it is a complete lack of imagination to just shoe horn them together like that.

I've said it before - Fleck is in jail for life almost, he's mid 40s in the movie, that means he's released around 65 - Willem Dafoe is that age now, if he were to play Joker, a lot of people would be happy... so I see it as this..

It's the same universe - Bruce has to leave town, he's tormented - he can't let go.. his parents killer came to his house, he spoke to him, tasted his dirty fingers in his mouth. The city loves Fleck for a while, an infamous celebrity - he has to get away and work on his ptsd.

Bruce comes back with a vow for this to never happen again and to change the city.. he handles mob bosses, cat bunglers, terrorists... but the big bad, the man that created this all, is out and ready to play.

So things to iron out - is Reeve's batman set in 90's - seems that way. Was Alfred mentioned by name in Joker? He wasn't - the guy Arthur grabbed could have been anyone.

As long as Reeves doesn't cast a new Thomas Wayne, there ya go - Fleck gets out late 90's and you have your match up. Phoenix can age up easily... 45 - 65 really isn't that too far a stretch plus it won't be filmed for a while. I like the idea.

Esp if they do a Joker sequel and we see a young Pattison on the tv/magazine as Bruce.

Your obsession with dirty fingers has me confused lol. And Arthur might be in his mid 30’s in the movie. The final scene could also be a jump in time. So if it was set in the 90’s, he’d be early 50’s. But It’s most likely set in the 2020’s.

 

[shauner111]

That's a bit of a silly argument. Might as well say Tim Allen should play The Joker because he has never shown his serious dramatic chops before.

Plus CLJ is definitely coming along with the Hobo Joker look I'd like to get away from.

Then Ledger shouldn’t have played Joker because he never played a psychopath before? How are actors supposed to evolve if you think they should be typecast forever?