The Joker Thread - Part 1

[Eddie Dean]

It's not type casting, it's their qualities as an actor. CLJ is naturally on the more wiry, jumpy, twerpy side of things. He's not exactly a chameleon either. He's pretty much the same guy in every movie.

 

[Eddie Dean]

I'll go one step further and say that Caleb Landry Jones is basically a poor man's Paul Dano.

I don't 100% agree, but I get what you're going for. CLJ seems much more Riddler to me.

 

[emielaen]

Robbie might be the far fetched factor here because as BoP proved, she's not indispensable...

I disagree with this. I doubt they'd hastily just replace Margot bc of BoP if the situation came to be.

I think what makes the idea very tempting is not only the box office potential but the fact that Pattinson and Phoenix just seem like they'd have great chemistry. Their looks, their acting skills, their methods, the types of films they've been in, they just seem like they'd fit together so organically. There's no way that execs won't at least encourage the idea or ask for a meeting between Reeves and Phoenix eventually.

I imagine a meeting between Phoenix, Pattinson, and Reeves will indeed happen at some point. Just to talk. Lol

That Dallas Buyers Club performance has dated worse than out of date milk.

Nah.

 

[Boom]

Can you stop pushing for this guy, it's not going to happen.

No.

 

[craigaat]

We need a break from Joker. Providing we get more than two Pattinson movies, he should be hinted at in clues, easter eggs etc, then appear in the last one.

 

[emielaen]

Joker is an enormous role to fill.. look at Leto, he was laughed out of town. Any actor that takes on the role, if it wasn't Phoenix better have thick skin and be damn good.

Idk about laughed out of town, but I get your point. Lol he's now the lead in another comic book movie so he's doing fine, I'm sure.

 

[Schlosser85]

Idk about laughed out of town, but I get your point. Lol he's now the lead in another comic book movie so he's doing fine, I'm sure.

I would say I don’t know if being the lead in one of Sony’s B level CBMs is exactly someone who’s career is on fire, but Venom inexplicably made almost a billion dollars despite being a hot mess.

 

[hellblazer103]

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I've said it before - Fleck is in jail for life almost, he's mid 40s in the movie

PLEASE give me one moment in the movie where that is actually specifically stated.

I've rewatched it several times, including this very moment, and I did not see a single moment where his age was stated.

He could easily be in his 30s but looking a bit more aged due to his living conditions.

Luckily tho, you don't seem to be making the point that he'd be too old. That we can agree on, at least lol

 

[shauner111]

For my money he’s mid 30’s.

 

[Vaibow]

Idk about laughed out of town, but I get your point. Lol he's now the lead in another comic book movie so he's doing fine, I'm sure.

Morbius is a gamble - but, the media covering him going deep method acting, handing out used condoms, dead rats and pigs heads, all for his interpretation to flop and get butchered in editing? It's pretty laughable.

PLEASE give me one moment in the movie where that is actually specifically stated.

I've rewatched it several times, including this very moment, and I did not see a single moment where his age was stated.

He could easily be in his 30s but looking a bit more aged due to his living conditions.

Luckily tho, you don't seem to be making the point that he'd be too old. That we can agree on, at least lol

You need to be spoon fed the character's age, on screen, in the script? You cannot fathom that with Phoenix being 45, the character is in that ball park?

You believed the Fonz was 17 right?

 

[CJ]

And as weird as it sounds I still don't want it.

I agree. Joker was fine as a standalone movie, but also, I can't really picture this version of Joker fighting Batman. He's too timid and unsure of himself. A man like Arthur Fleck lacks the confidence and charisma to really be the 'clown prince of crime' and push Batman to his limits.

Phoenix's Joker is just an introverted guy who went postal.

 

[shauner111]

I honestly didn’t think he looked 45 until the final scene. Which I think was the only time where I noticed greys in his hair. Which leads me to believe the final scene is set many years later, when the character is in fact 45-ish.

 

[David Alexander]

I might be a little carried away with The Batman teaser but WB is going to have to cross over Jaquan’s Joker. If that happens we might have found the Superhero movie that could challenge Endgame. Don’t screw this up DC.

 

[-JKR-]

As much as I did really like/love Endgame, let's aim higher. It's not even in the same ballpark as the Richard Donner, Tim Burton, Sam Raimi and Christopher Nolan movies.

More expensive? Definitely.

 

[Schlosser85]

As much as I did really like/love Endgame, let's aim higher. It's not even in the same ballpark as the Richard Donner, Tim Burton, Sam Raimi and Christopher Nolan movies.

More expensive? Definitely.

Endgame is easily above all of those except maybe Nolan.

Burton? Lol.

 

[-JKR-]

Opinions, man. Opinions.

"Endgame? Lol."

And as I've said, I pretty much really liked/loved it and thought it was one of the better MCU movies (and a step up from Infinity War).

 

[shauner111]

Endgame is mid tier. MCU is not something I would strive for.

 

[DKDetective]

I honestly didn’t think he looked 45 until the final scene. Which I think was the only time where I noticed greys in his hair. Which leads me to believe the final scene is set many years later, when the character is in fact 45-ish.

Honestly, I thought the character looked 50-ish most of the film. He never looked believably in his 30s to me.

 

[David Alexander]

I am talking about financially. The Disney formula is making a mint off of the popularity of Iron Man and Spider-Man. No villain is even close to the Joker except maybe Darth Vader. Someone please explain to me why we never got a Lords of the Sith movie. Well anyway Batman and the Joker in 2023 would be box office gold.

 

[shauner111]

Honestly, I thought the character looked 50-ish most of the film. He never looked believably in his 30s to me.

50ish? Damn you must see a lot of young looking 50 year olds irl. He didn’t look too different from what he looked like in The Master imo.

 

[shauner111]

I am talking about financially. The Disney formula is making a mint off of the popularity of Iron Man and Spider-Man. No villain is even close to the Joker except maybe Darth Vader. Someone please explain to me why we never got a Lords of the Sith movie. Well anyway Batman and the Joker in 2023 would be box office gold.

I agree but Joker is obviously set in the 80’s, and that’s when Bruce’s parents were killed. So if 20 years have passed, it would be around 2001 by the time The Batman unfolds. This movie could very well be set in the early 2000’s and have modern cars, HD cameras. That could work. But not if it’s set in 2021. It’s too much of a leap of logic. Not everything needs to be explained in this world, but i can’t take this matchup seriously if Pattinson’s two years into his mission (in the 2020’s) and you want me to believe he was twenty years younger...in the early 80’s? It’s dumb. And feels forced by the studio.

 

[DKDetective]

50ish? Damn you must see a lot of young looking 50 year olds irl. He didn’t look too different from what he looked like in The Master imo.

Maybe it was just the weight loss for the role, but his face looked really creased, lined, and wrinkles in the film, which made him look older than a lot of people in their 40s I know.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Good lord. Why are you guys taking the events of Joker so literally? Did you see the movie? Remember the part where Joker completely imagined one of the main characters? We don’t know how much of that movie was in Joker’s head. If Reeves wants Joaquin, nothing in Joker necessarily has to contradict Reeves’ films. He is an UNRELIABLE NARRATOR. Quit taking everything so literally.

That movie just made 1B and Joaquin won best actor. I can almost guarantee that there is pressure from the execs to get Joaquin to work with Reeves. The powers that be can make this happen without disturbing continuity.

If you actually believe that there is no way to include Joaquin’s Joker without contradicting The Batman, you have zero imagination and didn’t even watch Joker. There are a number of ways that it CAN work. Whether you want it to happen or not is another story, but you have to be pretty closed minded to actually believe that it’s impossible to do without disturbing continuity.

Here’s two options that would work for me:

1. Bring in Joaquin as a different type of Joker and don’t acknowledge Joker 2019

2. Treat Joker 2019 as it should be treated. The movie wants you to question what ACTUALLY happened. The fact that you guys are taking the events of the film so literally is baffling. Pick and choose elements of that film that actually happened and then move on with Joaquin as a villain in a Reeves Batman film.

If we see Joaquin in a Batman film, it wouldn’t be from his point of view so we’d get to see a more realistic idea of who the character is. Perhaps the sympathetic nature of the character is just the way the character sees himself, or perhaps the entirety of Joker 2019 was simply an embellished story told to Harleen Quinzel in Arkham. Maybe the REAL Joker is far more ruthless and sinister.

Robert Pattinson’s Batman vs Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker would be absolutely incredible. I hope it happens.

 

[shauner111]

So he just imagined visiting little Bruce and Alfred. And there was never a Bruce Wayne? Thomas never told him to stay away from his son? Thomas was never around 50 years old? So you’d have to say the entire movie didn’t really happen, and the final scene is the Joker in Arkham Asylum in a different decade. I’m actually cool with that. Either he made it up as a good story to tell, and that’s why he’s laughing at the end “what’s so funny?...You wouldn’t get it”. Or he’s so delusional that he believes that to be his origin story. But I like the “if i’m going to have a back story, I prefer it to be multiple choice” aspect of the character. So the first option would be better for me.

 

[Rorschach2012]

So he just imagined visiting little Bruce and Alfred. And there was never a Bruce Wayne? Thomas never told him to stay away from his son? Thomas was never around 50 years old? So you’d have to say the entire movie didn’t really happen, and the final scene is the Joker in Arkham Asylum in a different decade. I’m actually cool with that. Either he made it up as a good story to tell, and that’s why he’s laughing at the end “what’s so funny?...You wouldn’t get it”. Or he’s so delusional that he believes that to be his origin story. But I like the “if in going to have a back story, I prefer it to be multiple choice” aspect of the character. So the first option would be better for me.

Yes exactly. It’s not nearly as complicated as some people think it is.

It can work, but the stars have to align. All I’m saying is it’s more than possible. Likely? I’m not sure. But I do know the execs are pushing for Joaquin in Reeves’ series. Money talks. You don’t make 1B on established IP and then immediately recast, that’s bad business.