The Joker Thread - Part 1

[KGBANE]

Academy Awards don't equal fame.

I agree! I like Ben as an actor but those awards isn't for his acting just saying.I pretty sure he got them for writing and directing..Not hating hon him at all just saying and stating facts.

 

[Eddie Dean]

He'd be the second Joker actor to have previously played Ned Kelly

Mick Jagger was The Joker?

 

[Da-Scribe]

I agree! I like Ben as an actor but those awards isn't for his acting just saying.I pretty sure he got them for writing and directing..Not hating hon him at all just saying and stating facts.

The poster brought up the awards in relation to his fame, not his acting ability. Which may or may not mean much anyways, but just to clarify.

 

[KGBANE]

The poster brought up the awards in relation to his fame, not his acting ability. Which may or may not mean much anyways, but just to clarify.

Thanks for clarifying for me and yes it doesn't mean much.No need to compare Ben did his thing and Robert will do his. I think Robert will knock this out of the park.

 

[hellblazer103]

Mick Jagger was The Joker?

I know you're saying this in jest but for those unaware ;

 

[Jig96v]

Was especially disappointing considering he personally called Morrison up and apparently they had long conversations about the character. I've no idea where any of that research went.

Straight to the cutting room floor.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Yeah I stand by the belief that Leto likely had a solid, not necessarily groundbreaking, but solid performance as Joker that got chopped to bits and terribly pasted together.

 

[lordofthenerds]

Yeah I stand by the belief that Leto likely had a solid, not necessarily groundbreaking, but solid performance as Joker that got chopped to bits and terribly pasted together.

True as this may be, the few deleted scenes that have been released don't inspire much confidence that a fully developed Leto-Joker would have been much of an improvement.

Though, it might be unfair to assume Suicide Squad's Joker is the only version of the Joker that Leto is capable of playing. Basically, he was working with a shoddy script - no number of scenes could fix poor writing.

 

[Mr. Gatsby]

Yeah the character Ayer developed was a poor choice from the get-go (he has even admitted it in the past). Although, from the sounds of it, there wasn't much of a direction in the first place other than "instagram gangster" and not much of an actual character base either.

A different film or direction with Leto could have been a totally different story

 

[Eddie Dean]

Absolutely not. Leto would never be a good Joker.

 

[lordofthenerds]

Yeah the character Ayer developed was a poor choice from the get-go (he has even admitted it in the past). Although, from the sounds of it, there wasn't much of a direction in the first place other than "instagram gangster" and not much of an actual character base either.

A different film or direction with Leto could have been a totally different story

Agreed. And 'instagram gangst(a)' is pretty much the polar opposite of what you want to use as your basis when crafting the Joker.

 

[Invader Joker]

Straight to the cutting room floor.

There's no evidence to support this. The deleted scenes they showed if anything make him look worse.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I’m not talking deleted scenes, but the hours of unused takes that might’ve painted a better picture had a more competent editor been given the reigns. I dunno, maybe I’m wrong. But Leto is a damn fine actor, so it seems more likely to me he was dealt a crappy hand when you look at just about every other factor.

What is an Instagram gangster btw? That’s a new one lol.

 

[Eddie Dean]

jared leto would have been a better joker if he had different material, looked different, acted different and was just a different person all together.

 

[lordofthenerds]

What is an Instagram gangster btw? That’s a new one lol.

I guess Ayers' idea of a bold new direction.

 

[lordofthenerds]

jared leto would have been a better joker if he had different material, looked different, acted different and was just a different person all together.

He could have very easily been given different material, a different costume design, acted differently (he is an actor, after all), and still been Jared Leto.

 

[Eddie Dean]

But... he didn't.

 

[lordofthenerds]

But... he didn't.

Yes, I know. The only difference here is that you're putting all the blame on Leto. I'm just pointing out that he was working with a terrible script under the direction of that script's writer. No matter who played Instagram gangster Joker, the character was doomed from the get-go.

 

[Eddie Dean]

I wonder why Will Smith, Viola Davis and Margot Robbie somehow managed to give good performances with the same director, script, editor, and costume designer and Jared Leto didn't???

 

[AndyTrevino]

I wonder why Will Smith, Viola Davis and Margot Robbie somehow managed to give good performances with the same director, script, editor, costume designer and Jared Leto didn't???

Most likely because their characters weren't "reimagined".

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

I’m not talking deleted scenes, but the hours of unused takes that might’ve painted a better picture had a more competent editor been given the reigns. I dunno, maybe I’m wrong. But Leto is a damn fine actor, so it seems more likely to me he was dealt a crappy hand when you look at just about every other factor.

What is an Instagram gangster btw? That’s a new one lol.

David Ayer Says Jared Leto’s Joker Look Was Inspired By Instagram Drug Lords

Speaking to Yahoo, Ayer said:

"A lot of it has to do with creating a character with some kind of history and footprint in our world, and not have this sacrosanct being outside of our continuum, our reality. If a guy like him really existed today, where would he come from? How would he do business? Who would he know? What would he look like? In my mind, I took a lot of inspiration from drug lords on Instagram. It’s a great way to understand the lifestyle of a villain.”

 

[lordofthenerds]

I wonder why Will Smith, Viola Davis and Margot Robbie somehow managed to give good performances with the same director, script, editor, costume designer and Jared Leto didn't???

This is the first time I've seen anyone praise Viola Davis' Amanda Waller character. Next to Leto's Joker, her character is one of the most maligned from the DCEU. Will Smith was hardly groundbreaking. I'll admit Margot Robbie was somewhat of an exception (though her dialogue was terrible - a lot jokes, none of them landed), but her superior performance in Birds of Prey actually demonstrates the difference that better directing and screenwriting can make.

 

[AndyTrevino]

David Ayer Says Jared Leto’s Joker Look Was Inspired By Instagram Drug Lords

There is something to be said for a more modern Joker, but IMO he played it up too much with the jewelry and rap music playing in a strip club. I really liked the flashiness, but he should've buttoned up his shirts and should've had less tats in general.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Literally what are you talking about? Davis is perfect in the role and everyone agrees!

 

[lordofthenerds]

Literally what are you talking about? Davis is perfect in the role and everyone agrees!

She delivered her opening lines with a mouthful of steak. She enlisted the likes of Harley Quinn to fight the next batch of theoretical meta-humans. Then she blamed her ragtag team for letting the Enchantress loose, when in reality, it was all her fault in the first place. Basically, her character's motivations never made a lick of sense. Viola Davis might have made for the perfect Amanda Waller, but Amanda Waller was hardly perfect in that movie.