The Joker Thread - Part 1

[Eddie Dean]

Kieran Culkin is actually the same height as Barry Keoghan.

short kings

 

[Captain Tired]

Kieran Culkin is actually the same height as Barry Keoghan.

Art, you know what this makes you? A shortist!

 

[Art Vandelay]

Art, you know what this makes you? A shortist!

I'm a rabid shortist.

 

[Mr. E Nygma]

Even then I'm not sure. He may have been phoning it in already then

Yea, thinking back I'd say he lost his edge around the time he did Tim Burtons Mad Hatter. I still maintain though, that while Jack Sparrow may be his most commercial character, it doesn't make it a bad performance. The first 3 pirate films are great for me at least.

He would've been great in the '90s I think. It also just depends if you have a director that will work with him to build the character of the Joker. I like me some early Burton movies but hearing him in interviews over the years it has become apparent that he cares way more about the art and themes than nailing down a great script.

 

[Captain Tired]

I don't think Sparrow's a bad performance at all, for what it's worth. It's just that for whatever reason, he started faltering a lot after being nominated for POTC. Maybe he got overconfident, who knows. He still has a smattering of good performances after POTC, but they were probably filmed before or during Curse of the Black Pearl. One of my favourite Depp performances is in Secret Window from 2004.

All just a matter of opinion, o'course.

 

[Boom]

Depp is great in Sweeney Todd.

 

[BatLobster]

Objectively speaking, the biggest "mic drop" that would make a sequel feel like a huge deal would be Joaquin showing up as Joker. You can't really convince me otherwise.

I'm sorry to start this debate for the hundredth time, I know some of you are rolling your eyes hard, but seriously...just put biases aside and look at it from a sheer business/marketing perspective. That would be THE "oh sh**" moment.

Recast Joker (AGAIN), or go with the one fresh off the billion dollar/Oscar-winning film?

I'm not even saying that he should be the main villain of the next film. But just teasing the idea that he's in this world, and oh, the actor who won an Oscar for playing a proto-Joker character will some day be playing the real Joker in a Batman film. Between DC and Marvel establishing multiverse canon, the audience will readily accept it. I really think it's blindingly obvious and I'd be utterly shocked if this hasn't at least been discussed at Warner Bros.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

My lizard fanboy brain would be hyped if Joaquin was the mic drop but Reeves reusing him instead of casting his own actor would be… uncreative and deflating. The Joker being the mic drop is pretty lame to begin with.

Joker getting a sequel makes it seem fairly evident to me that’s gonna continue being it’s own thing.

 

[emielaen]

Phoenix just playing another version of Joker created by Reeves would be my number #1 choice by far.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Oh man, I love this and could totally see it. Guy is a standout on succession, which is an impressive feat considering that cast.

 

[Captain Tired]

Joaquin Phoenix's Joker.

He was a saint...

 

[Art Vandelay]

Oh man, I love this and could totally see it. Guy is a standout on succession, which is an impressive feat considering that cast.

If he can secure an Emmy nom, or better yet a win, that might help make him seem like a viable option. Because if it's not a star, it will be someone on the cusp of stardom.

 

[Eddie Dean]

If he can secure an Emmy nom, or better yet a win, that might help make him seem like a viable option. Because if it's not a star, it will be someone on the cusp of stardom.

Kieren’s been famous since he was a little kid lol

 

[shauner111]

Signs lads. Signs.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Signs as in Joaquin?

 

[Mr. E Nygma]

Signs lads. Signs.

Signs is a GREAT movie and Kieren is a good actor. I bet he would knock it out of the park.

 

[Mr. E Nygma]

Okay so @AndyTrevino I know you’re not a Depp fan for Joker and we’ve both agreed that he mostly calls it in lately but tell me this is not masterful acting.

He plays with his prey and has a wicked laugh at the end of their conversation. This is totally Joker material.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Depp is goofy in Black Mass. The decision to make Whitey Bulger into a cartoonish, Nosferatu looking freak instead of a very normal looking dude remains weird to me. I say this as a huge Scott Cooper defender and someone who thinks Depp would’ve been a great Joker in his prime.

 

[BatsAndNights]

I honestly hope they keep Joker looking normal physically. I wouldn't be opposed to something akin to Penguin where there is makeup and prosthetics but just done in a realistic manner. Reason being that it could seriously add to the scariness factor if Joker "looks" normal in terms of his physical anatomy and it's just his eyes/smile that play into it. My main idea has always been essentially Anthony Hopkins' Hannibal Lecter but shot like he was Michael Myers. Rather than homicidal clown, go more "A Pure Embodiment of Evil Itself." Could you imagine this, but with a manic grin

in THIS type of a shot?

It'd be the stuff of nightmares. And it'd be far more effective if Joker looks "normal", physically (not counting the makeup). Because then you get into uncanny valley and that type of human response. Making Joker look like a physical monstrosity with the biggest chin in the world ala Tim Sale would take away from that, in my opinion

 

[JubJub86]

Objectively speaking, the biggest "mic drop" that would make a sequel feel like a huge deal would be Joaquin showing up as Joker. You can't really convince me otherwise.

I'm sorry to start this debate for the hundredth time, I know some of you are rolling your eyes hard, but seriously...just put biases aside and look at it from a sheer business/marketing perspective. That would be THE "oh sh**" moment.

Recast Joker (AGAIN), or go with the one fresh off the billion dollar/Oscar-winning film?

I'm not even saying that he should be the main villain of the next film. But just teasing the idea that he's in this world, and oh, the actor who won an Oscar for playing a proto-Joker character will some day be playing the real Joker in a Batman film. Between DC and Marvel establishing multiverse canon, the audience will readily accept it. I really think it's blindingly obvious and I'd be utterly shocked if this hasn't at least been discussed at Warner Bros.

The only way it'd work would be that "soft reboot" thing like the rumor of Cox as Daredevil in the MCU, though. Yeah, it'd be a big deal marketing-wise and guarantee asses in seats and money in pockets, but...

Pretty frickin' clearly Todd Phillips Gotham isn't Matt Reeves Gotham. Former's just basically real pre-Giuliani/Bloomberg NYC with the signs replaced to say "Gotham", the latter's a grounded but clearly-fictional-and-worse-than-any-real-city comic-gothy hellscape.

Plus, great as the performance was (in an overrated not-as-smart-as-it-thinks-it-is Donnie Darko syndrome movie), we can do better than Joaquin-Joker for this. If you've got Reeves, let Reeves run with something Reeves.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Okay so @AndyTrevino I know you’re not a Depp fan for Joker and we’ve both agreed that he mostly calls it in lately but tell me this is not masterful acting.

He plays with his prey and has a wicked laugh at the end of their conversation. This is totally Joker material.

Ironically that Kevin Bacon is in that film, cos that was Bacon trying to do Walken.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Wrong Culkin in Signs. That’s Rory.

 

[Chris Reeves]

I've said it before, but in the event that The Drops turn out being a hallucinogen, we could get the best of both worlds in that the Joker could look relatively normal, but be an absolute nightmare ghoul when seen from the perspective of someone who's tripping on The Drops.

 

[Boom]

Even if Drops do factor into the narrative and aren't just background dressing, a recreational psychedelic drug screams "Mad Hatter" more than anybody.

 

[Chris Reeves]

Even if Drops do factor into the narrative and aren't just background dressing, a hallucinogenic drug screams "Mad Hatter" more than anybody.

That doesn't mean someone couldn't still see the Joker while they were hallucinating.