Justice League The Justice League Casting Thread - Part 4

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

To me, there's nothing 'unrealistic' about an alien invasion.

Is that what you'd say if aliens invaded tomorrow? "How unrealistic" ?

What's unrealistic is Batman's back being healed the way it was. That I have a harder time believing.

 

[Midnight Black]

To me, there's nothing 'unrealistic' about an alien invasion.

Is that what you'd say if aliens invaded tomorrow? "How unrealistic" ?

What's unrealistic is Batman's back being healed the way it was. That I have a harder time believing.

Actually, I do believe in extraterrestrial life. However, until there is concrete evidence made known to the publc it is still considered sci-fi, which by definition is fiction or fake which is unreal.

So yeah, if you take a movie where the hero's enemies and the hero himself have been watered down as much as they can be in order to be "more real" or take place in a "real world" setting and then place that movie in a world where a man can fly and has superpowers and there is an alien invasion, then yes I consider those two films to be contrary.

My personal preference I would just like to see a new Batman introduced that way we can get a new franchise to spinoff from the JL film rather than go through the whole origin thing basically once again. I would like to see a Batman closer to the comics and I think a new Batman would fit well with the MOS world and JL films.

So question for some of you then since some of you want Bale's Batman in a JL film with Cavill. Can you see Bale's Batman in the same universe with Reynold's GL or any GL film for that matter?

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Yes, I can see Bale's Batman in the same universe with Reynold's GL.

I wouldn't want to see Batman on that cartoonish looking Oa though, or for B'dg to show up on Earth talking to Bruce Wayne or Commissioner Gordon in the JL movie.

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The same way that Iron Man is in the same universe as Rocket Racoon. No problem.

However, I don't want to Nick Fury talking to Frost Giants or for the Mandarin's sidekick to be Rocket Racoon.

Yes, the MCU blends some elements from each movie into the Avengers, but they don't blend all of it. THat, would be a disaster.

 

[shauner111]

So the fact that Nolans/Goyer worked so hard to "ground" Batman and make characters as close to real life as possible, you do not find contrary to MOS' alien invasion and a superhero with super powers?

Absolutely not. It changes nothing about the trilogy. When the trilogy happened, Batman was the first and only "superhero" to exist. There were no such thing as alien invasions or super-powers. Then Superman suits up for the first time and alien invasion happens after Rises. It's simple. Now aliens exist, now there is Superman who is the first being with actual super-powers.

Also, so you would rather have Bale come back for MOS2 or a World's Finest or JL films and THEN reintroduce a new Batman series after that rather than using JL as a launching pad for a new Batman?

Yes. A reboot is too soon, or should I say, a Justice League with a rebooted Batman is too soon right now. Why rush it? Batman movies will be here to stay like the Bond franchise. Do the reboot next decade with more fantasy.

Idc if Nolan and Snyder said that MOS would be more "real" in tone and realistic that still doesn't mean to me that it will be real like TDK series. It's superman for crying out loud. Yeah sure there probably won't be freeze guns and stuff, but it's still going to be out there. Yeah, I bet the emotions, reactions and situations will be more "real" than seen in previous Superman films, but it still doesn't mean that the two worlds are the same, especially after what was seen and established in TDK series.

Both series' have a Earth and its people grounded like our world. It's an ordinary world with consequences for each action. And not everything is happy happy time. The humor is more natural and not a one liner every 2 minutes. The only fantasy comes from something that didn't originate on planet earth.

Sorry, I just think it would be contradictory and that they should just go with a new Batman for the JL movie and not try to please fans or milk the success TDK franchise just to make extra money.

Sorry to break it to you, but these superheroes movies are made for money. That's the priority with the studio. You have to look at franchises with some business in mind or it's just fanboy talk. It's a brilliant business move and logical. Next comes the story, and it's up to Goyer if he wants to pursue it, then he has the power to use his integrity or not and write something that fits with the continuity.

I believe Nolan and Goyer would only do this if they had the story.

As much as I like AVP, Freddy vs. Jason and AVP2 doesn't mean I want the same to happen with JL. At least those films through easter eggs about each other's existence long before they did a cross over.

We don't know if an easter egg is being planned yet or not for MOS. And we also don't know if we're getting a World's Finest before JL. So don't count out the hints, easter eggs, cameos just yet.

 

[Midnight Black]

However, Iron Man and Avengers already established that those type of elements can exist and that GOTG isn't far fetched if there was a cross over in the future.

Also, I didn't know rocket Raccoon was Mandarin's sidekick. Is this in the comics somewhere or are you just saying?

My thing is Iron Man led up to that type of Universe. It's not like they just took IM1 and threw him into Thor's world.

If you're going to go that route there needs to be stepping stones and there has been no stepping stones from TDK series to MOS or GL.

I could see GL and MOS in the same universe, but TDK's Batman is very iffy to me.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

However, Iron Man and Avengers already established that those type of elements can exist and that GOTG isn't far fetched if there was a cross over in the future.

Also, I didn't know rocket Raccoon was Mandarin's sidekick. Is this in the comics somewhere or are you just saying?

My thing is Iron Man led up to that type of Universe. It's not like they just took IM1 and threw him into Thor's world.

If you're going to go that route there needs to be stepping stones and there has been no stepping stones from TDK series to MOS or GL.

I could see GL and MOS in the same universe, but TDK's Batman is very iffy to me.

So you are fine with Rocket Racoon being the Mandarin's sidekick? You don't think they clash tonally when they're in the same movie?

(and no, he's not actually his sidekick. I'm just trying to make a point)

Also, regarding stepping stones. We went from Iron Man (a world without Norse Gods) to Thor (a world with Norse Gods). What stepping stones?

How is that any different from TDK to MoS?

 

[dnno1]

The trolls are here. I can feel it.

 

[shauner111]

Dark Knight can't be in the same universe as Green Lantern I don't think. Reynolds' contract is over anyway and I don't see them asking him back. That's why a lot of us here are suggesting a rebooted Hal Jordan who hasn't debuted yet or a John Stewart, etc. But you never know,

I think there could be stepping stones planned in the future, but we also have stepping stones in the movies themselves. It's just they're not what fans on here are thinking. It doesn't need to be a cameo by a superhero. Nolans Bat movies were about escalation with each film and about inspiring people in Gotham, this could progress into MOS and the idea of the entire world needing superheroes as well as said heroes forming a union together (inspiring more and more) to get rid of evil.

 

[Midnight Black]

@Shauner I know the business of the studios all to well, believe me. All I'm saying is that I don't like it.

I don't think it's logical at all, but rather just something that can be done to be done.

By the time a JL film gets the green light it will be close to 2020 and so a Batman reboot will be right on time and not early at all...given the time frame of sequels and reboots of films.

 

[7heBoss]

Both series' have a Earth and its people grounded like our world. It's an ordinary world with consequences for each action. And not everything is happy happy time. The humor is more natural and not a one liner every 2 minutes. The only fantasy comes from something that didn't originate on planet earth.

With that same logic you can say that inception takes place in the same universe as Man of Steel because they both happen on earth and that characters are grounded like in out world. There are consequences for each action and not everything is happy happy time. Also, both came from Nolan

 

[shauner111]

@Shauner I know the business of the studios all to well, believe me. All I'm saying is that I don't like it.

I don't think it's logical at all, but rather just something that can be done to be done.

By the time a JL film gets the green light it will be close to 2020 and so a Batman reboot will be right on time and not early at all...given the time frame of sequels and reboots of films.

Fair enough. But I disagree. I do like it and think it's very logical. I've been thinking it's logical since seeing the trailer for MOS and watching TDKR on Blu-ray quite a few times. I put it to rest when I revisited some Bat animation and felt like I wanted a Bat reboot film (screw Justice League was my new mind-set). Then this news came up about Nolan and Bale and it just clicks with me. As a business move and continuity wise.

2020 for JL? You out of ur mind? They wouldn't even bother thinking of Bale if it was in 7 years time. 2016 the latest unless they do a WF in 2015 then we could see JL in 2018. But Bale and others will have appeared already.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

With that same logic you can say that inception takes place in the same universe as Man of Steel because they both happen on earth and that characters are grounded like in out world. There are consequences for each action and not everything is happy happy time. Also, both came from Nolan

If they wanted to they could (though they'd run into the problem with the cast playing multiple characters...)

It's just that it's something nobody wants to see happen, unlike Nolan's Bats and Supes

 

[Midnight Black]

So you are fine with Rocket Racoon being the Mandarin's sidekick? You don't think they clash tonally when they're in the same movie?

(and no, he's not actually his sidekick. I'm just trying to make a point)

Also, regarding stepping stones. We went from Iron Man (a world without Norse Gods) to Thor (a world with Norse Gods). What stepping stones?

How is that any different from TDK to MoS?

No I'm not fine with Rocket being Mandarin's sidekick lol. I missed the comparison you were trying to make. Sorry.

The stepping stones for IM were Capt. America (though out later), the end credit scenes, and many easter eggs.

 

[shauner111]

With that same logic you can say that inception takes place in the same universe as Man of Steel because they both happen on earth and that characters are grounded like in out world. There are consequences for each action and not everything is happy happy time. Also, both came from Nolan

Inception can't be in the same world because Caine, JGL, Cotillard, Hardy, Watanabe and Murphy are different characters leading different lives. And what if it was connected? What if Memento exists in the same world? It's not relevant because that wouldn't affect anything and it's about Superman/Batman (costumed heroes) who have been tied together since the 1930's.

The stepping stones for IM were Capt. America (though out later), the end credit scenes, and many easter eggs.

One does not need to copy another companies ideas for it to have success. This can have its own path and its own lead-up style.

 

[Midnight Black]

Dark Knight can't be in the same universe as Green Lantern I don't think. Reynolds' contract is over anyway and I don't see them asking him back. That's why a lot of us here are suggesting a rebooted Hal Jordan who hasn't debuted yet or a John Stewart, etc. But you never know,

I think there could be stepping stones planned in the future, but we also have stepping stones in the movies themselves. It's just they're not what fans on here are thinking. It doesn't need to be a cameo by a superhero. Nolans Bat movies were about escalation with each film and about inspiring people in Gotham, this could progress into MOS and the idea of the entire world needing superheroes as well as said heroes forming a union together (inspiring more and more) to get rid of evil.

Fair enough. But I disagree. I do like it and think it's very logical. I've been thinking it's logical since seeing the trailer for MOS and watching TDKR on Blu-ray quite a few times. I put it to rest when I revisited some Bat animation and felt like I wanted a Bat reboot film (screw Justice League was my new mind-set). Then this news came up about Nolan and Bale and it just clicks with me. As a business move and continuity wise.

2020 for JL? You out of ur mind? They wouldn't even bother thinking of Bale if it was in 7 years time. 2016 the latest unless they do a WF in 2015 then we could see JL in 2018. But Bale and others will have appeared already.

Awesome, well we'll will have to just agree to disagree and see what happens.

My thinking was regardless of who made the films if you can't see Batman in GL's universe then he shouldn't be in MOS, cause I can see MOS and GL in a shared universe.

Oh well.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

No I'm not fine with Rocket being Mandarin's sidekick lol. I missed the comparison you were trying to make. Sorry.

the point is that it's fine for these movies to exist in the same universe so long as certain elements don't overlap. (as long as Rocket Racoon doesn't show up in a 'serious' Iron Man movie. So long as B'dg doesn't help Commissioner Gordon solve crimes in the next Batman movie). Same thing.

The stepping stones for IM were Capt. America (though out later), the end credit scenes, and many easter eggs.

We already knew that Iron man was in the same universe as Thor when Thor came out. Thor was the introduction. When Thor came out, people weren't pissed off that Iron Man 1 suddenly takes place in this world with norse gods.

So how is this any different than TDK (Iron Man) and then MoS (Thor).

Also, how is Captain America a stepping stone when it comes afterwards, when the supernatural had already been introduced to modern day back in Thor?

How do the after credit scenes of any of these movies (Nick Fury, General Ross, Loki in the mirror) act as stepping stones to introduce the supernatural when it has already been introduced, full blown, in Thor?

Before Thor was released (or rather, before the trailer was released), people were all thinking the same thing. That all the supernatural stuff (norse gods? seriously?) would feel wildly out of place.

Awesome, well we'll will have to just agree to disagree and see what happens.

My thinking was regardless of who made the films if you can't see Batman in GL's universe then he shouldn't be in MOS, cause I can see MOS and GL in a shared universe.

Oh well.

Can you see Betty Ross chatting it up with Rocket Racoon? Same thing. It's a non issue because they'll never have that happen, because it's stupid. The same way that Batman hanging on Oa would be stupid. Even the Justice League comics don't do this. (from what I understand)

 

[Midnight Black]

@shauner I agree that DC does not need to copy Marvel's success, I've always said that.

However, just throwing movies together for the sake of doing it seems dumb IMO.

With MOS and a new JL film they can setup each character for their own success with their own franchises, and actually go sort of backwards from Marvel.

 

[shauner111]

Awesome, well we'll will have to just agree to disagree and see what happens.

My thinking was regardless of who made the films if you can't see Batman in GL's universe then he shouldn't be in MOS, cause I can see MOS and GL in a shared universe.

Oh well.

Sure it comes down to preference. It's all good.

I don't see MOS and GL (2011) in the same universe because the tone is completely different. One seems like a comedic spoofy thing and the other seems like the opposite.

But it's too bad because if they didn't make that movie I would probably be standing here cheering on Ryan Reynolds as one of the actors who can play Hal Jordan in this JL. With new writers, designers, effects team, director...I think Reynolds can do it well. I can even see him opposite of Bale in the movie acting like a pain in the ass.

So that movie ruined it for me personally. Cuz now I don't wanna see GL in the same universe. But maybe a reboot would work. I don't know, I haven't seen it yet. Can't make that judgement.

See, I don't look at it like you do. If I cant see Batman in GL's universe then he shouldn't be in MOS? Batman is more important to me and this project so it's the other way around. If I cant see GL working with Batman or MOS then he shouldn't be in JL.

Of course i'm more referring to the movie than the entire GL character cuz who knows how Goyer would approach him.

 

[Midnight Black]

the point is that it's fine for these movies to exist in the same universe so long as certain elements don't overlap. (as long as Rocket Racoon doesn't show up in a 'serious' Iron Man movie. So long as B'dg doesn't help Commissioner Gordon solve crimes in the next Batman movie). Same thing.

We already knew that Iron man was in the same universe as Thor when Thor came out. Thor was the introduction. When Thor came out, people weren't pissed off that Iron Man 1 suddenly takes place in this world with norse gods.

So how is this any different than TDK (Iron Man) and then MoS (Thor).

Also, how is Captain America a stepping stone when it comes afterwards, when the supernatural had already been introduced to modern day back in Thor?

How do the after credit scenes of any of these movies (Nick Fury, General Ross, Loki in the mirror) act as stepping stones to introduce the supernatural when it has already been introduced, full blown, in Thor?

Before Thor was released (or rather, before the trailer was released), people were all thinking the same thing. That all the supernatural stuff (norse gods? seriously?) would feel wildly out of place.

Can you see Betty Ross chatting it up with Rocket Racoon? Same thing. It's a non issue because they'll never have that happen, because it's stupid. The same way that Batman hanging on Oa would be stupid. Even the Justice League comics don't do this. (from what I understand)

I see your point but again those movies led into each other. Even Thor brought itself to the "real-world" in order to make the connection.

All I'm saying is that I don't see the TDK films and MOS connection and if there is a Batman easter egg for Bale's Batman in MOs IMO it would feel forced and really out of place. However, I guess we will have to wait and see.

 

[TheHeatKitchen]

If they wanted to they could (though they'd run into the problem with the cast playing multiple characters...)

It's just that it's something nobody wants to see happen, unlike Nolan's Bats and Supes

Wouldn't be a casting issue if they explain the Batman plot was a dream within a dream....

 

[Midnight Black]

Sure it comes down to preference. It's all good.

I don't see MOS and GL (2011) in the same universe because the tone is completely different. One seems like a comedic spoofy thing and the other seems like the opposite.

But it's too bad because if they didn't make that movie I would probably be standing here cheering on Ryan Reynolds as one of the actors who can play Hal Jordan in this JL. With new writers, designers, effects team, director...I think Reynolds can do it well. I can even see him opposite of Bale in the movie acting like a pain in the ass.

So that movie ruined it for me personally. Cuz now I don't wanna see GL in the same universe. But maybe a reboot would work. I don't know, I haven't seen it yet. Can't make that judgement.

See, I don't look at it like you do. If I cant see Batman in GL's universe then he shouldn't be in MOS? Batman is more important to me and this project so it's the other way around. If I cant see GL working with Batman or MOS then he shouldn't be in JL.

Of course i'm more referring to the movie than the entire GL character cuz who knows how Goyer would approach him.

Very valid points. I agree with a lot of what you are saying.

Still I think that although GL was goofy and somewhat action adventure a la the Mummy movies, I could still see that "world" in a MOS film or lead to a JL shared universe more so than Bale's Batman.

Yeah the MOS tone will be serious and will be less action adventure and more TDK films drama based, but just because the tone is the same doesn't mean the worlds should be the same IMO.

However, I digress. I think we get each other's points, which is coo. I definitely don't mind seeing Bale don the cowl again, but would love to see a different batman closer to the comics with a different suit and MO etc.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I see your point but again those movies led into each other. Even Thor brought itself to the "real-world" in order to make the connection.

All I'm saying is that I don't see the TDK films and MOS connection and if there is a Batman easter egg for Bale's Batman in MOs IMO it would feel forced and really out of place. However, I guess we will have to wait and see.

I'm just curious why you (and many others) think this way.

How do IM1 and Thor lead into each other any more than TDK and MoS?

MoS will bring itself to the 'real-world' in order to make the connection, the same way Thor did. Didn't you see the trailer?

Why do you think Bruce appearing as an easter egg would be any more forced than Coulson appearing in Thor?

 

[shauner111]

@Midnight Black..

Cool man. You know..we don't know how Bale will be written. We can all speculate on how he's playing Nolans Batman, etc. But what if it's connected to the trilogy, and they explain it all, yet as the movie progresses we start seeing Bruce use his mind more than he ever did in the trilogy? And he has a new suit. Not as growly in the voice because he's only in a area with the rest of the League, who know his identity. (Just like when he talks to Blake or Selina towards the end of Rises and he's speaking normally).

That's the thing, we could be getting the same Batman from the trilogy, connected and everything, yet at the same time Bale starts playing him differently.

I've been thinking about this. The people working on the Bat suits (on set and this is even told in the official books) that the growly voice is supposed to be a device in the cowl. It connects to the jawline, etc and it's like a switch so when he speaks to strangers/criminals or is simply getting into character, you hear his voice through a growl. Even though we know Bale is doing it manually and Nolan may add some work in post-production.

So if he gets a new suit we may see him not using the growl. Another reason is because of the rage and anger he has while in the suit. But he's let go of that anger now. He would be back as Batman only because he's asked to.

I would love to see Bale go all Keaton while in the suit. Barely speaking and then it's only a clear whisper. Then with the cowl on while speaking to Superman, it's in his normal voice.

 

[Willi Berg]

What's wrong with you people???

I came into the thread- opening on this particular page... the first post had Katy Perry as WW!!!

I panicked... I hit "page 18"...

...the first post had Katy Perry as WW!!!


Man... the shock!

Casting tends to go astray when it comes to WW. Or female characters in general. Or even casting threads in general.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

The way I see it, the Bat-voice is a psychological thing as much as it is a practical thing.