The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread

[psylockolussus]

Because they want to branch out with the properties. A Silver Surfer solo film makes perfect sense and technically isn't a spin-off because the Surfer has always been his own character. Wolverine is also one that makes perfect sense to make a solo film out of. X-Force also works as a solo film. Most of the stuff you listed there aren't spin-offs. It's like saying all the individual Marvel films are spin-offs of Avengers.

There's no point in sticking to just FF and X-Men when those don't even begin to scratch the surface of the properties they have to possibly exploit.

Technically Silver Surfer would have been a spin-off movie to Fantastic Four since Silver surfer first appeared in FF2. And all of those films I listed are spin-offs. A lot of movie websites listed them as spin-offs. It doesn't matter if they have a long history in the comics.

And MCU is different to X-Men, MCU has at least four series right now. They have a separate series for Iron Man, Captain America, Thor and The Avengers. With X-Men, its either films with the original cast or prequels/spin-offs. If MCU have a movie for War Machine, I would consider that as Iron Man spin-off, if they have a movie for Loki, I would consider that as Thor spin-off, if they have a movie for Black Widow, I would consider that as Avengers spin-off.

 

[psylockolussus]

There's only so many times you can recycle the "X-Men battle evil mutants and human prejudice" plotline before movie goers lose interest.

And you think a spin-off movie like X-Force, New Mutants, X Factor, Deadpool would gain more interest than a X-Men 4, X-Men 5, X-Men 6 movie? And whether its X-Men or Spider-Man, they will always face evil people/villains.

Wolverine
Silver Surfer
Deadpool
X-Force
X-Factor
Cable/Deadpool team-up film (maybe just put it in like a Deadpool sequel though)

All of these films have the potential to be their own franchises and be box offices smashes. Fox just has their finger on the button and is choking. With have all the rights that come with FF and X-Men, Fox has a cosmic repertoire that could rival Marvel's in quality if not quantity and can use Silver Surfer as a vehicle to explore it in-depth. Not to mention they have just as much crossover potential between films as Marvel. Have Cable show up in an X-Force film than have him team-up with Deadpool in a Deadpool film. Introduce the Shi'ar in a Silver Surfer film and then have them attack the Earth in an X-Men film.

I disagree.

Even if Marvel Studios has the rights for X-Men/Fantastic Four. I doubt they would release spin-off movies for the lesser known X-Men/FF characters/teams. They would probably just focus on X-Men/Fantastic Four, release a movie for them every 2 to 3 years, let them appear in The Avengers and have a cameo in some of the MCU movies.

Releasing so many spin-offs is not a good idea especially spin-offs usually don't do well compare to the original series unless its Star Wars or the Hobbit.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

The unfortunate thing about the xmen is that any spinoff unless its a solo, a new dimension, or an exclusive group it might just appear "x-men light"

Most of xforce is made up if xmen .... Just another version of the team.

Wolverine solo, Deadpool, X-Calibur, AoA, Alpha Flight, Kazar, star jammers and Exiles... Are really the only films i think would feel like a true spin off...

New mutants, xforce , and to a lesser extent xfactor just sorta feel "xmen light" another mutant X team just with new characters and new powers

 

[Saitou Hajime]

It's simple common sense, knowledge of what we know, what we don't know and experience with Comic-Con announcements and presentations.

We know that Fox has 90 minutes allotted but they're keeping the details secret. We strongly suspect that some of that 90 minutes will be spent discussing Wolverine and Days of Future Past, but the cast is known for both of those productions and, while it's likely they'll try to 'wow' us with at least some guests and tidbits related to those projects, the major details are already known, so there's little reason for secrecy.

As for X-Force, I have never seen a project announced with a detailed presentation. Previously unknown productions are announced with quick, brief statements. Producers, directors and script-writers are sometimes attached, but an X-Force film would almost certainly not be coming until 2016 and it's highly unlikely that a cast is in place or anything would be formally presented on that project at this point - when Days of Future Past is still filming and any hype related to X-Force would steal enthusiasm from DAFP.

The most logical non-FF possibility to me would be a non-comic property - such as Planet of the Apes, but I think a lengthy presentation on X-Force is highly unlikely.

If I'm wrong, I'll be right here to hear about it and glad to do so. Please feel free to say: "Nanny, nanny boo-boo, I told you so." when it turns out to be X-Force instead of FF.

And on that note:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/comic-con-fox-bringing-wolverine-584688

So it seems their slate is going to be The Wolverine, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, and one "major surprise". The most probable IMO is DOFP, X-Force, and their plans for the expanded X-Men universe. Now granted, Fox could always throw a curveball and give us F4, but given the leaked information so far and the relative inactivity that surrounds F4 I say more X-Men is highly more likely.

 

[blalex620]

I was someone who trusted (or at least didn't not trust) Fox with FF. That was until Michael B J was highly rumored to be the new Johnny Storm. From there my hope has went all downhill. I have no problems changing the race or gender or sexuality of minor support characters that don't have much to do with the story. I have a problem changing established main characters for no reason.

I think it was Josh Trank who said Michael B J was the better actor so that's why he would be given the role..... . Just No. I could understand if making Johnny Storm black gave some new extraordinary take on the character but according to Trank it's not even because of that.

In my opinion Trank has four options if he goes through with this.
1. Make Johnny black and keep Sue white and make one of them adopted. The lesser of the evils, has the potential to be okay but the change in dynamics between all the characters would be major. And let's all remember the family dynamic is an important theme in FF.
2. Make Johnny black and Sue black too. The relationship between the family especially between Sue and Reed will be substantially changed and if not handled correctly, disastrous.
3. Make Johnny black and not related to Sue. Just no.
4. Make Johnny black, related to a white Sue and just never mention it. The s***storm that would follow this would tank the film so fast it wouldn't even be funny.

In my opinion none of those options even remotely allow for a good reason to change the race of Johnny Storm.

In the end I think if they go through with this, the film has a very big potential to tank because of it. I don't understand why directors or writers think they need to change things to give this false sense of "progression." Wanna be progressive, go and fight for a minority, gay, female superhero film to be made. Don't change what's not broken.

Edit: and since this is online and you can't see me this is all coming from a african american comic lover.

 

[Mr. Dent]

I disagree.

Even if Marvel Studios has the rights for X-Men/Fantastic Four. I doubt they would release spin-off movies for the lesser known X-Men/FF characters/teams. They would probably just focus on X-Men/Fantastic Four, release a movie for them every 2 to 3 years, let them appear in The Avengers and have a cameo in some of the MCU movies.

Releasing so many spin-offs is not a good idea especially spin-offs usually don't do well compare to the original series unless its Star Wars or the Hobbit.

If Marvel had the rights to FF I guarantee we'd eventually see a solo SS film and if they had the rights to X-Men I guarantee they'd be doing films like X-Factor and X-Force. The only properties Fox have are FF and X-Men, so they have to make the most out of them. That's what Marvel would be doing in the same situation, and that's obviously what Fox is trying to do. As they keep saying, the X-Men universe is just as big as the Marvel universe itself, especially with FF under their belt (for now). If they end up losing FF then they will especially want to make the most out of what they have with X-Men.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

And on that note:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/comic-con-fox-bringing-wolverine-584688

So it seems their slate is going to be The Wolverine, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, and one "major surprise". The most probable IMO is DOFP, X-Force, and their plans for the expanded X-Men universe. Now granted, Fox could always throw a curveball and give us F4, but given the leaked information so far and the relative inactivity that surrounds F4 I say more X-Men is highly more likely.

This is VERY encouraging! Since DOFP is well into production, it would be very odd for them not to talk about that. So the exclusion of that along with the statement that there will be a surprise seems to give us the strongest evidence we've seen that FF may not be part of the presentation. And I've felt for months that if FF isn't discussed at comic-con, it's probably on the ropes.

One week!

 

[Zarex]

And you think a spin-off movie like X-Force, New Mutants, X Factor, Deadpool would gain more interest than a X-Men 4, X-Men 5, X-Men 6 movie? And whether its X-Men or Spider-Man, they will always face evil people/

While an X Force or New Mutants movie may not pay immediate dividends for FOX, the studio has to expand beyond the "X Men battle Magneto, his team of evil mutants and the government" formula in order to invigorate a series that peaked in 2006. First Class tweaked the formula slightly, and while it didn't pay immediate dividends, FOX will be glad the took the chance with a period piece if DOFP hits big. It makes little sense for FOX to sit on their large portfolio of characters or relegate them to cameos when they could be using them to launch new franchises. So long as they don't try to awkwardly merge four victims of a cosmic radiation accident into this established universe, I am looking forward to the studio's future plans.

 

[Kelly]

Eh i know what we know too and right now..... All signs line up with the same situation that Daredevil did and it didn't pan out

That is what I'm thinking as well...

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

That is what I'm thinking as well...

I'm starting to wonder if they're realizing they can focus on X-Men and X-men related spin-offs and have a different film every year for the next 20 years without complicating things by bringing in the FF.

And a strategy like that, if done right, might not be a crazy idea.

Something's gotta give one way or the other soon. The clock is ticking. Right now, they can probably still get something out of Marvel, but if they haven't started production or sold to Marvel soon, Marvel will know all they have to do is wait.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Can you imagine if Marvel announces at Comic-Con that they've got FF (and Galactus, Doom, SS etc.) back? The excitement could blow the roof off the place

 

[kaijunexus]

Can you imagine if Marvel announces at Comic-Con that they've got FF (and Galactus, Doom, SS etc.) back? The excitement could blow the roof off the place

 

[Doc Ock]

Can you imagine if Marvel announces at Comic-Con that they've got FF (and Galactus, Doom, SS etc.) back? The excitement could blow the roof off the place

My roof would blow off my place if that happened hehe. One wish come true.

 

[psylockolussus]

While an X Force or New Mutants movie may not pay immediate dividends for FOX, the studio has to expand beyond the "X Men battle Magneto, his team of evil mutants and the government" formula in order to invigorate a series that peaked in 2006. First Class tweaked the formula slightly, and while it didn't pay immediate dividends, FOX will be glad the took the chance with a period piece if DOFP hits big. It makes little sense for FOX to sit on their large portfolio of characters or relegate them to cameos when they could be using them to launch new franchises. So long as they don't try to awkwardly merge four victims of a cosmic radiation accident into this established universe, I am looking forward to the studio's future plans.

I previously suggested in the other threads, they could have Apocalypse or Mr. Sinister as the next big X-Men villain in the next X-Men trilogy. I actually want FOX not to feature Magneto in the movies after DOFP is released.

 

[FVD]

I really couldn't care less if Fox retains the X-Men rights. I just want them to release the rights to F4 back to Marvel. And as soon as possible please. To think the possibilities opening up with Galactus and Silver Surfer taking place especially in the GotG arena. Heck just like in that F4 cartoon where they took on Galactus, given if it's true that Ghost Rider is no longer under Sony, give him a cameo appearance to take Galactus away!!

 

[Doc Ock]

I really couldn't care less if Fox retains the X-Men rights. I just want them to release the rights to F4 back to Marvel. And as soon as possible please. To think the possibilities opening up with Galactus and Silver Surfer taking place especially in the GotG arena. Heck just like in that F4 cartoon where they took on Galactus, given if it's true that Ghost Rider is no longer under Sony, give him a cameo appearance to take Galactus away!!

Yeah Galactus and the Surfer are a large reason I want the rights back to Marvel, it's perfect for the cosmic world of GOTG. X-Men can stay with Fox and they can focus on making that good and give FF away so they don't focus on anything else.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Yeah Galactus and the Surfer are a large reason I want the rights back to Marvel

But mostly it's about

for me anyway

 

[Doc Ock]

But mostly it's about

Spoiler

for me anyway

Oh of course! I've always considered Doom the archenemy of the Marvel universe. Pretty much everyone seems to have fought Doom and not just one time. The MCU needs the great Doom!

 

[Whiskey Tango]

The MCU needs the great Doom!

And not a cheap, Marco Polo-playing Electro knock-off, either.

 

[Dark Raven]

Doom could practically be an entire phase of Marvel since it would be completely in canon for Iron Man, Cap and Thor to fight him separately (provided of course there were further IM movies) and for the Avengers to battle him corporately.

 

[Doc Ock]

And not a cheap, Marco Polo-playing Electro knock-off, either.

Yes, Doom is like Darth Vader. It needs to be shown!

Doom could practically be an entire phase of Marvel since it would be completely in canon for Iron Man, Cap and Thor to fight him separately (provided of course there were further IM movies) and for the Avengers to battle him corporately.

It's perfect! That's what is so great about Doom is how he has challenged all these heroes regardless of how powerful they are! A force to be reckoned with.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

But mostly it's about

for me anyway

My MCU F4 post credits stinger: we open to a shot of a TV showing a broadcast announcing the F4's return to Earth. Pan back to reveal an underling (Kristoff? Hauptmann?) commenting to an unseen entity how his "old friend" is quite the celebrity once again, and muses what he plans to do about it. As he turns toward this entity we pan to his viewpoint, revealing a glowering Doom in full MCU-ized comic book garb while rocking his best slouch of villainy pose. ****, it'd be like the Thanos stinger with 10x the amount of fanboys' exploded minds.

 

[Mr. Dent]

Laveria and Doom missing from the MCU does suck. And all the FF related cosmic stuff missing (Skrulls, Negative Zone, Annihilus, Silver Surfer, Galactus, list goes on) also sucks. So yeah really hope FF comes back home. Fox can keep the X-Men and just expand on that, since it doesn't even need to be in the MCU along with the Avengers. But FF is just too important to the overall Marvel U to be left out and not be missed.

 

[Shikamaru]

Feige confirmed that the Skrulls are a grey area. That means both Marvel and Fox can use them.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yes, Doom is like Darth Vader. It needs to be shown!



It's perfect! That's what is so great about Doom is how he has challenged all these heroes regardless of how powerful they are! A force to be reckoned with.

What would be cool is if Doom beats all the individual heroes in their own movies leaving it up to the Avengers as a team to try to stop him. Of course it would be unusual for several comic movies in a row to end with the hero losing and unable to stop the villain and his plan but the payoff could be awesome.