Sequels The New Mutants - Josh Boone to Direct - Part 1

[Frankeh]

I wanted her as Captain Marvel... MCU should cast her, maybe as Spider Woman, the more chances we get here out of the x-Men films, the better. I don't want to see Mystique barking orders to Cyclops and company, that they are the X-Men. It was cringe-worthy enough in the Apocalypse movie.

At this point I'm convinced that if the X-Men team was comprised entirely out of Brotherhood members (Blob, Toad, Avalanche, Pyro, etc) some posters here would still defend it.

I can't honestly believe when X1 was in pre-production people would want Mystique as an X-Man... or at any point in the franchise? And I don't buy that as fans none of you had certain expectations before it was made.

But whatevs...

 

[DavidHaller]

At this point I'm convinced that if the X-Men team was comprised entirely out of Brotherhood members (Blob, Toad, Avalanche, Pyro, etc) some posters here would still defend it.

I can't honestly believe when X1 was in pre-production people would want Mystique as an X-Man... or at any point in the franchise? And I don't buy that as fans none of you had certain expectations before it was made.

But whatevs...

But they gave us very good reasons (two movies!) to explain why Raven changed her character we saw in the first trilogy. This is one of the main character developments of the second trilogy. I cannot get angry for great character development.

Your point about the Brotherhood members becoming X-Men is also quite ironic because there is basically NO X-Men villain who did not transitioned to the side of the X-Men at one point in their comic book history: Mystique, Rogue, Toad, Magneto, Sabretooth, Quicksilver and even Juggernaut have all been X-Men in the past.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

There is zero problem with Mystique or Sabretooth being on the X-Men.


The problem is actual iconic X-Men characters don't get proper development.

Just make a X-Men film where the actual X-Men get proper equal development for once. Just do it one time and see how it actually goes.

 

[Stan Lee]

Mystique in the comics has been an X-Man. She was in Blood of Apocalypse.

 

[marvelrobbins]

The first Class trilogy was prequel later time travel reboot trilogy.It was always a tirlogy focusing on Xavier,magneto,and because of her role In OT Mystique.
The idea any of the three would be moved to supporting so focus would be on newcomers was crazy.Even so they had jean with arc in Apocalypse and had decent role for cyclops.

kind of pointless to debate rather or not lawrence should be back since X films they are focusing on are new mutants and deadpool 2.Any X_Men in new mutants would likely be Mcavoy as Xavier or someone from the Apocalypse cast.

 

[EnDz0n3]

It's not "pointless to debate" as one of the last reports about the next X-men instalment still had Simon Kinberg writing and trying to get Lawrence with McAvoy and Fassbender back.

And you'd be hard-pressed to find fans that would be ok with making the next "X-men trilogy" centered around The New Mutants with the actual X-men as bit-players.

 

[Sithborg]

New Mutants and Deadpool 2 are clearly the next movies up to bat. Talk about another X-men film should go to that thread.

 

[Frankeh]

But they gave us very good reasons (two movies!) to explain why Raven changed her character we saw in the first trilogy. This is one of the main character developments of the second trilogy. I cannot get angry for great character development.

Your point about the Brotherhood members becoming X-Men is also quite ironic because there is basically NO X-Men villain who did not transitioned to the side of the X-Men at one point in their comic book history: Mystique, Rogue, Toad, Magneto, Sabretooth, Quicksilver and even Juggernaut have all been X-Men in the past.

I knew someone would use that argument, but is a team with only those ex-villains as members while iconic X-Men members still haven't been done right really what you ideally wanted in X-Men movies? That's the point I'm trying to make. I see posters here criticizing others for having their ideas about who should be X-Men first and foremost and I don't agree with it. If there wasn't a "general idea" of who should be X-Men first and foremost then X1 would've had C-listers as the X-Men. And who would've wanted that at the time?

Anyway, I apologize if I'm taking this thread in an unwanted direction, we can go back to talking about New Mutants.

 

[marvelrobbins]

It's not "pointless to debate" as one of the last reports about the next X-men instalment still had Simon Kinberg writing and trying to get Lawrence with McAvoy and Fassbender back.

And you'd be hard-pressed to find fans that would be ok with making the next "X-men trilogy" centered around The New Mutants with the actual X-men as bit-players.

If fox wants to make the next trilogy centered on new mutants and make actual X-Men bit players nothing we can do about it.

Since Boone retweeted report of next X-Men film filming in May and it may be titled X-Men:New Mutants that Is possibilty.

quite honestly even those who liked apocalypse will hardly be excited by idea of Kinberg writing,as i predicted back in May singer would go before he would,and lawrence returning after she basicly bad mouthed X-Men films even though they had mystique out of makeup 90% of time to sastify her.

It's been suggested that fox views apocalypse and logan as end of "Singerverse" and now wants to focus on deadpool,New mutants,and X-force.

 

[marvelrobbins]

New Mutants and Deadpool 2 are clearly the next movies up to bat. Talk about another X-men film should go to that thread.

If they are making another full X_Men film it will have to be for 2019 release.

New mutants and deadpool 2 are for 2018 and deadpool 3 which introduces X-force comes in 2020.

 

[psylockolussus]

Mystique in the comics has been an X-Man. She was in Blood of Apocalypse.

Lol. I have the hard copies of the issue where she joined and left the team and it is way different from the movies! She lasted more or less 1 year and in 616 reality, maybe that was just two months.

Also Mystique joined the team only for her betray the team and let the Marauders kidnap Hope. And they had this bjg meeting if they were gonna let someone like Mystique join the team.

 

[Reverse-Zoom]

What is the new mutants exactly. I've never heard of this and I'm not a huge comic book reader. Any help would a greatly appreciated

 

[psylockolussus]

Its a X-Men splinter team! These are the other students at the mutant school who are in training to be one of the X-Men someday. In the comics, all of the classic 9 minus the She Wolf already joined the team in the comics!

 

[Reverse-Zoom]

Its a X-Men splinter team! These are the other students at the mutant school who are in training to be one of the X-Men someday. In the comics, all of the classic 9 minus the She Wolf already joined the team in the comics!

That's kinda cool so the x-men go fight villains and they split off and fighter the lesser villains?? I might really like that

 

[Reverse-Zoom]

But they gave us very good reasons (two movies!) to explain why Raven changed her character we saw in the first trilogy. This is one of the main character developments of the second trilogy. I cannot get angry for great character development.

Your point about the Brotherhood members becoming X-Men is also quite ironic because there is basically NO X-Men villain who did not transitioned to the side of the X-Men at one point in their comic book history: Mystique, Rogue, Toad, Magneto, Sabretooth, Quicksilver and even Juggernaut have all been X-Men in the past.

I was waiting for mystique to turn for 2 movies and then she captured wolverine and that's it literally that's it. Why why why. One of the few things To make me hate the movie. Then the next one didn't say **** about it we just got another team up. Maybe they couldn't do it to Jennifer Lawrence or maybe she fought them on it. It made dofp look dumb af

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Any help would a greatly appreciated

The student's at the Xavier Institute. So instead of focusing on the X-Men with Student cameos it's reversed. Focus on Mutant Students with X-Men small cameo or Easter Eggs. Same Professor X though.

 

[Reverse-Zoom]

The student's at the Xavier Institute. So instead of focusing on the X-Men with Student cameos it's reversed. Focus on Mutant Students with X-Men small cameo or Easter Eggs. Same Professor X though.

I would like to see them fight lesser villains and see them train with some x-men. It's great that professor x has the same role. Who is second in command when professor x is on missions with the x-men? Who is the leader of the team??

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Who is second in command when professor x is on missions with the x-men? Who is the leader of the team??

I would say for this movie Storm is the second in command.


In the comics Mirage is usually the leader but in this movie Cannonball will probably lead.

 

[chamber-music]

What is the new mutants exactly. I've never heard of this and I'm not a huge comic book reader. Any help would a greatly appreciated

The New Mutants are the next generation of teenaged mutant superheroes-in-training who debuted in the eighties.

They are a diverse group of mutants that faced all sorts of kinds of threats. Rival mutant school students the Hellions, Aliens, mad scientists, demons, witches and so on.

Xavier was the original leader and teacher of the team like he was was with the original X-Men. Later on Magneto took over as their leader and teacher. Cable took over as their leader towards the end of the comics run in which the series ended and was replaced with paramilitary mutant strike force X-Force. X-Force was made up of some former New Mutants characters like Cannonball.

Deadpool made his first appearance in New Mutants as a mercenary antagonist.

I would like to see them fight lesser villains and see them train with some x-men. It's great that professor x has the same role. Who is second in command when professor x is on missions with the x-men? Who is the leader of the team??

The original field leader in the comics Karma (Xi'an Coy Manh), a 19-year-old Vietnamese girl who could mentally possess other people's bodies.

Later Dani Moonstar (Mirage/Psyche) and SamGuthrie (Cannonball) became co-leaders.

Cannonball is a mild-mannered Kentuckian and who became nigh-invulnerable human rocket when flying through the air.

Mirage is a Cheyenne who could create visual illusions.

The New Mutants director Josh Boone said he hopes to make a trilogy of films with supernatural/horror villains.

The most notable three villains the New Mutants have faced in the comics are Demon Bear (who is confirmed as an antagonist in the first upcoming movie), Belasco (a evil sorcerer in trapped in a dimension called limbo) and Selene (the oldest known mutant who is a psychic vampire and sorceress).

 

[DavidHaller]

Lol. I have the hard copies of the issue where she joined and left the team and it is way different from the movies! She lasted more or less 1 year and in 616 reality, maybe that was just two months.

Also Mystique joined the team only for her betray the team and let the Marauders kidnap Hope. And they had this bjg meeting if they were gonna let someone like Mystique join the team.

Mystique in the comicbooks had her fair share of being a mutant rights activist. Depending on the interpretation of the particular writers, but in X-Men comics there is a fine line between "terrorist" and "mutant revolutionary" (especially the main canon written by Claremont). Mystique, similar to Magneto, uses violence to help mutantkind to survive (e.g. killing mutant-hating Grayden Creed and attacking Senator Kelly etc.). She worked for X-Factor, she led Freedom Force, she worked for Xavier's underground as a spy (!), tried to save mutantkind through Destiny's diaries by manipulating the present (!), worked for Magneto's Uncanny X-Men, etc. This is also canon besides her mental health issues and evilness (which was recently cured by Psylocke's psy powers). Mystique in the comicbooks knew the future because she dated a mutant gifted with precognition. Maybe this explains why she sees the world in a darker light than Xavier.


But the main point is:
Turning Mystique was the whole idea of "Days of Future Past". The X-Men changed the past and prevented the post-apocalyptic future from happening. Xavier got a second chance to rectify his past mistakes after he read Logan's mind: mind-raping Jean, his own death, Mystique turning evil, his broken friendship with Magneto, etc. etc. Mystique in the movie universe did not lose hope in humanity after all the horrors she experienced in her life (like the version we saw in the first trilogy). She is still depicted as a fighter and mutant revolutionary. The only thing that is missing is her depiction of being utterly evil without remorse (which the comic books revealed as a mental illness caused by her mutant powers and death of her partner Irene Adler). I really do not get why people think this dumbed down version from the comicbooks is something worth seeing (especially because we had 3 movies already where we can see this version...).

Sometimes it annoys me that so many people online try to oversimplify the complexity and emotional depth of Singer's X-Men universe just because there are some unimportant differences from the comic books.

I wish Mystique to come back because her tender love with Irene Adler is something worth to get fleshed out:

if you want to get angry for a fundamental difference between movie and comicbook, the lack of this fantastic relationship is something to get angry about!!!

class dismissed!

 

[GuestStar2004]

I was waiting for mystique to turn for 2 movies and then she captured wolverine and that's it literally that's it. Why why why. One of the few things To make me hate the movie. Then the next one didn't say **** about it we just got another team up. Maybe they couldn't do it to Jennifer Lawrence or maybe she fought them on it. It made dofp look dumb af

Well she didn't capture wolverine, she saved wolverine, that was the point of it.

Sounds like you was expecting her to turn evil and that's how you see the DOFP ending when that probably wasn't the idea behind it.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I would like to see them fight lesser villains and see them train with some x-men. It's great that professor x has the same role. Who is second in command when professor x is on missions with the x-men? Who is the leader of the team??

I very much doubt you will see them train with the X-Men tbh.

Personally for this comic to film universe take I can see it being about a group of outsider mutants at the school that find themselves together due to something happening

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I very much doubt you will see them train with the X-Men tbh.

Personally for this comic to film universe take I can see it being about a group of outsider mutants at the school that find themselves together due to something happening

Storm's might assist Xavier in training them.

I doubt they are outsider's either. Xavier personally recruits them in the comic book.


And at the end of Apocalypse its seems Xavier new motivation going forward is to find all the mutants he can and bring them all together.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Storm's might assist Xavier in training them.

I doubt they are outsider's either. Xavier personally recruits them in the comic book.


And at the end of Apocalypse its seems Xavier new motivation going forward is to find all the mutants he can and bring them all together.

Yeah but the thing about the film universe is that it's a school with loads of random student/mutants, are they all gonna become X-Men? No probably not but doesn't mean other students don't have their own things going on.

What makes me think they will be outsiders Joining the school is the script logo which is graffiti style and just makes me think of some troubled students.

There will be many changes from Comic to film Series obviously.

 

[Mike Murdock]

What is the new mutants exactly. I've never heard of this and I'm not a huge comic book reader. Any help would a greatly appreciated

Originally, they were the young students brought in when the X-Men more or less disappeared. The X-Men at this point were unambiguously a fighting team and not students (they were all adults with the exception of Kitty Pryde and they had more or less learned how to control their powers). The New Mutants were teenagers (ranging from 12 to 16 or 17, iirc).

Their stories focused on a lot of the same issues as their adult counterparts, but also added some teenage drama where the development of their mutant powers paralleled with the pains of growing up. It handled these issues in surprisingly mature ways. I don't think any of the characters had a "normal" childhood. You had Sam Guthrie who was the eldest of who knows how many kids whose father died in the mines and he had to take on the responsibility as breadwinner. You had Roberto Da Costa, who was the son of a Brazilian millionaire, whose girlfriend died at the hands of people who wanted to capture him because of his mutant powers (he also faced racism and prejudice growing up due to his black father and white mother). You have Raine Sinclair, a Scottish girl raised by the most puritanical minister you could imagine who raised her to fear the world as wicked. She grew up in a very superstitious world, which turned upside down when people discovered her mutant power was to transform into a wolf. You have Danielle Moonstar, who might have had the most normal childhood. She is a Cheyenne girl who was raised by her grandfather after her father and mother were seemingly killed by a possibly demonic spirit Bear. Then there is Illyana Rasputin, the younger sister of Colossus, who spent ten years of her life trapped in a Hell dimension learning to become a sorceress. She tries to live up to the image of the good little girl her older brother knew her as while fighting essentially her upbringing and destiny where she might one day become the Darkchylde.

As you can see, the stories were not afraid to go into mystical or fantastical directions, which I think can help set the movies apart from the X-Men movies. They also had stories where they fought against the students of Emma Frost's Massachusetts Academy (which was essentially a training ground for the Hellfire Club). But the noteworthy stories to me were just the ones that came off as very human. As I said, these are teenagers growing up. There's a wonderful story where a group of kids are bullying another kid for being a mutant (they actually don't know he's a mutant, they're just calling him names). In the end he ends up committing suicide. There's a wonderful speech by Kitty Pryde at the end that just ties everything all together. It's a sad but inspiring story that honestly could have been written a few years ago for the It Gets Better Project but was, instead, written back in the 1980s. It's one of my favorite single issues of any comic ever.

Cannonball is a mild-mannered Kentuckian and who became nigh-invulnerable human rocket when flying through the air.

I think you mean "when blastin'"