Sequels The New Mutants - Josh Boone to Direct - Part 1

[EnDz0n3]

Well they do have 4 movies planned for 2018/2019 so far, so I guess they have an idea where they are going. t:

Hopefully not like in The Wolverine where the lead character, in the climax of the movie, loses his Adamantium claws and in the movie the following year, he's got them back.

Nor like when he's fished out by Mystique in the final minutes of the movie and in the sequel he still goes thru the Weapon X program anyways.

Sure explanations can be made, some more valid than others, but at the end of the day why make those plot points in the first place when there are no consequences.

 

[Stan Lee]

Nor like when he's fished out by Mystique in the final minutes of the movie and in the sequel he still goes thru the Weapon X program anyways.

X1, X2, and Origins all say that volunteered as a solider during the 80s. And in the Logan trailer you see him with his military tags which pretty much says he volunteered for Weapon X like in the old timeline.

Why would Mystique saving him from drowning stop him from going into the military and joining Weapon X in the 80s? That makes no sense.

This is just a case of people are just forgetting what happened in the previous films.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Hopefully not like in The Wolverine where the lead character, in the climax of the movie, loses his Adamantium claws and in the movie the following year, he's got them back.

Nor like when he's fished out by Mystique in the final minutes of the movie and in the sequel he still goes thru the Weapon X program anyways.

Sure explanations can be made, some more valid than others, but at the end of the day why make those plot points in the first place when there are no consequences.

I never understand those moaning about wolverine still being part of weapon x.DOFP made it clear that some things still go in similar direction.

 

[Legion]

X1, X2, and Origins all say that volunteered as a solider during the 80s. And in the Logan trailer you see him with his military tags which pretty much says he volunteered for Weapon X like in the old timeline.

Why would Mystique saving him from drowning stop him from going into the military and joining Weapon X in the 80s? That makes no sense.

This is just a case of people are just forgetting what happened in the previous films.

It's bad storytelling.

You don't show a scene that makes the audience say "Oh this is how Stryker gets Wolverine this time..." and then pull a fake out "Nope! It's actually Mystique!" all while Xavier explains that the flow of the river of time can be changed. Then in the next film Stryker has Wolverine somehow anyway.

If you want an in film explanation you could say Why didn't Mystique warn Logan about Stryker? She rescued him disguised as Stryker. Surely he saw this form and she revealed her true self later. Why didn't she explain why she chose this form and the danger this man poses to mutants?

Then you can say why didn't Xavier or Hank seek out their friend who helped save mutant kind from annihilation? In 10 years they never thought to check on him and see if he's okay?

But no instead we're supposed to think that the more likely scenario is that the nearly drowned Logan isn't even going to question the situation he just found himself in or his proximity to the attack on the white house. Instead he's going to enlist, why? Wasn't the Vietnam war ending in DoFP? Didn't Logan and Victor meet Stryker due to circumstance in the Vietnam war? No, surely they meet again some other way.

Also when did Xavier fail to help his student Jason Stryker in this timeline? Wasn't this event fueling William Stryker's hatred of mutants and his Weapon X shenanigans?

 

[GuestStar2004]

If you want an in film explanation you could say Why didn't Mystique warn Logan about Stryker? She rescued him disguised as Stryker Surely he saw this form and she revealed her true self later. Why didn't she explain why she chose this form and the danger this man poses to mutants?

Well I assume she disguised herself as stryker so she would be able to order those people to fish Logan out the water, I don't think she knew anything about Stryker at that time since what threat was Stryker in that movie? He was more or less working for someone else as a body guard.

Then you can say why didn't Xavier or Hank seek out their friend who helped save mutant kind from annihilation? In 10 years they never thought to check on him and see if he's okay?

Who says they didn't, obviously they wouldn't know what happened to him so they would use cerebro to find him and xavier would be able to tell that Logan doesn't remember anything anyway, but least he is alive.

But no instead we're supposed to think that the more likely scenario is that the nearly drowned Logan isn't even going to question the situation he just found himself in or his proximity to the attack on the white house. Instead he's going to enlist, why? Wasn't the Vietnam war ending in DoFP? Didn't Logan and Victor meet Stryker due to circumstance in the Vietnam war? No, surely they meet again some other way.

I am sure he had enough time to get over his memory relaps or acid trip as xavier said.

And I don't see why the same events couldn't still play out even if differently, it's better then trying to come up with a new reason why Logan got his metal claws and lost his memory

 

[X-Maniac]

Well they do have 4 movies planned for 2018/2019 so far, so I guess they have an idea where they are going. t:

They seem to be looking ahead, but you also have to look from side to side.

There may be some element of planning, but there doesn't appear to be much co-ordination.

The various filmmakers do not seem to look at the other entries in the franchise, the other films that are in production at the time... or at the franchise timeline as a whole.

 

[EnDz0n3]

It's bad storytelling.

You don't show a scene that makes the audience say "Oh this is how Stryker gets Wolverine this time..." and then pull a fake out "Nope! It's actually Mystique!" all while Xavier explains that the flow of the river of time can be changed. Then in the next film Stryker has Wolverine somehow anyway.

If you want an in film explanation you could say Why didn't Mystique warn Logan about Stryker? She rescued him disguised as Stryker. Surely he saw this form and she revealed her true self later. Why didn't she explain why she chose this form and the danger this man poses to mutants?

Then you can say why didn't Xavier or Hank seek out their friend who helped save mutant kind from annihilation? In 10 years they never thought to check on him and see if he's okay?

But no instead we're supposed to think that the more likely scenario is that the nearly drowned Logan isn't even going to question the situation he just found himself in or his proximity to the attack on the white house. Instead he's going to enlist, why? Wasn't the Vietnam war ending in DoFP? Didn't Logan and Victor meet Stryker due to circumstance in the Vietnam war? No, surely they meet again some other way.

Also when did Xavier fail to help his student Jason Stryker in this timeline? Wasn't this event fueling William Stryker's hatred of mutants and his Weapon X shenanigans?

Pretty much. All of this. Thank you!

Why show it and why have Xavier make a point in that same visual to say "The Past" is now different (as quoted by 'Legion' above^)? There's no point if you're not gonna follow up on it.

Those opposing this has to answer this very basic question.

 

[-JKR-]

What I think happened is that they weren't originally gonna use Wolverine and Bryan Singer probably changed his mind down the line, and decided to include him, so they worked around that (= ignored what happened at the end of Days of Future Past).

 

[def28]

At some point someone in studio has to start reminding them they need a plan cause this series won't stop.

Can't wait for New Mutants. An X-Men movie all about the students with a fresh take in tone is exactly what needs to happen. That's awesome they had Lockheed with Magik.

Now how about some titles with all those dates Fox...

 

[Smilodon]

What I think happened is that they weren't originally gonna use Wolverine and Bryan Singer probably changed his mind down the line, and decided to include him, so they worked around that (= ignored what happened at the end of Days of Future Past).

The Weapon X of Apocalypse sequence does seem like part of the plan as it will seem to lead to more things in films later on. Not necessarily ignoring the ending of DOFP but rather just chalking it up to the whole "time is immutable concept". (Which I'm not defending or against, I'm just saying that's what they seem to be using to justify their actions)

This is especially true when you hear that they considered giving Wolverine a bigger role as like a drill instructor to the new X-Men, which would've been an absolutely terrible idea. So they do be seem to talking some things out, just not to the extent that we would like and or they're just bad ideas.

 

[Zarex]

At some point someone in studio has to start reminding them they need a plan cause this series won't stop.

Can't wait for New Mutants. An X-Men movie all about the students with a fresh take in tone is exactly what needs to happen. That's awesome they had Lockheed with Magik.

Now how about some titles with all those dates Fox...

An analysis from Collider puts Deadpool 2 and Deadpool 3/X-Force in the 3/2/18 and 2/14/19 slots, respectively. Those two make sense given Wade's off season success in his first outing and the fact that FOX appears to be fast tracking X-Force.

The columnist puts New Mutants in the 11/2/18 slot. That pits it against Disney's Mulan, which could be expected to tap into the same audience. But Disney hasn't announced a director yet and may not stick to that date.

The 6/29/18 slot is an absolute bear - two weeks after the Incredibles sequel, a week after the JP sequel, and one week before Ant Man and the Wasp. I think that one goes away.

http://collider.com/fox-marvel-movies-release-dates-deadpool-3/

 

[GuestStar2004]

They would have to film deadpool 2 and 3 pretty much back to back which would be abit odd as it wont make the films do any better by putting them a year apart.

 

[Zarex]

They would have to film deadpool 2 and 3 pretty much back to back which would be abit odd as it wont make the films do any better by putting them a year apart.

I think that's likely. The Hollywood Reporter article a few weeks back stated that FOX was searching for a Deadpool 3 director which doesn't make much sense - why not see how it goes with Leitch first? - unless the studio was trying to pump the next two installments out quickly.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...signed-deadpool-defections-gambit-hold-945505

 

[Stan Lee]

(= ignored what happened at the end of Days of Future Past).

Mystique saved him from drowning. So him being alive in Apocalypse makes perfect sense.

 

[def28]

An analysis from Collider puts Deadpool 2 and Deadpool 3/X-Force in the 3/2/18 and 2/14/19 slots, respectively. Those two make sense given Wade's off season success in his first outing and the fact that FOX appears to be fast tracking X-Force.

The columnist puts New Mutants in the 11/2/18 slot. That pits it against Disney's Mulan, which could be expected to tap into the same audience. But Disney hasn't announced a director yet and may not stick to that date.

The 6/29/18 slot is an absolute bear - two weeks after the Incredibles sequel, a week after the JP sequel, and one week before Ant Man and the Wasp. I think that one goes away.

http://collider.com/fox-marvel-movies-release-dates-deadpool-3/

Gotcha, sounds about right.

 

[Stan Lee]

It's bad storytelling.

You don't show a scene that makes the audience say "Oh this is how Stryker gets Wolverine this time..." and then pull a fake out "Nope! It's actually Mystique!" all while Xavier explains that the flow of the river of time can be changed. Then in the next film Stryker has Wolverine somehow anyway.

And Hank also said that somethings are just meant to happen.

If you want an in film explanation you could say Why didn't Mystique warn Logan about Stryker? She rescued him disguised as Stryker. Surely he saw this form and she revealed her true self later. Why didn't she explain why she chose this form and the danger this man poses to mutants?

Mystique never learned of Stryker's name and Trask Industries was shut down.

Then you can say why didn't Xavier or Hank seek out their friend who helped save mutant kind from annihilation? In 10 years they never thought to check on him and see if he's okay?

Xavier knows that Logan is not interested in joining them yet. Remember First Class? I doubt they would be watching him 24/7.

But no instead we're supposed to think that the more likely scenario is that the nearly drowned Logan isn't even going to question the situation he just found himself in or his proximity to the attack on the white house. Instead he's going to enlist, why? Wasn't the Vietnam war ending in DoFP? Didn't Logan and Victor meet Stryker due to circumstance in the Vietnam war? No, surely they meet again some other way.

The movie took place in 1973, two years before the war ended.

Also when did Xavier fail to help his student Jason Stryker in this timeline? Wasn't this event fueling William Stryker's hatred of mutants and his Weapon X shenanigans?

Stryker's hatred came from his son killing his wife.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I think that's likely. The Hollywood Reporter article a few weeks back stated that FOX was searching for a Deadpool 3 director which doesn't make much sense - why not see how it goes with Leitch first? - unless the studio was trying to pump the next two installments out quickly.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...signed-deadpool-defections-gambit-hold-945505

I wonder why they would want to rush 2 and 3 out just a year apart, i doubt its guaranteed to make more money just because of that.

Are they in a rush to set X-Force up for something? maybe a time travel cross over movie with X-Men?

 

[GuestStar2004]

Stryker's hatred came from his son killing his wife.

That is a point, stryker does mention his son in DOFP and doesn't seem to have the same issue with mutants as trask does in that movie, its not untill what happens to his wife that turns him against mutants and we can assume that happened in the gap between DOFP to apocalypse

 

[def28]

I wonder why they would want to rush 2 and 3 out just a year apart, i doubt its guaranteed to make more money just because of that.

Are they in a rush to set X-Force up for something? maybe a time travel cross over movie with X-Men?

X-Force will be set up in Deadpool 2.

I think most trades are getting X-Force and Deadpool 3 confused. Deadpool 3 likely won't be a year away from 2.

 

[EnDz0n3]

And Hank also said that something's just meant to happen.

Mystique never learned of Stryker's name and Trask Industries was shut down.

Xavier knows that Logan is not interested in joining them yet. Remember First Class? I doubt they would be watching him 24/7.

Really? They don't seek out what happened to that hairy tall guy from the future who literally helped them save the president and fought off Magneto at the White House? Not to mention even just finding out if they actually averted that dark future where mutants are rounded up? Though admittedly they won't find that out from this Wolverine but they don't know that.

Some heroes they are.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Really? They don't seek out what happened to that hairy tall guy from the future who literally helped them save the president and fought off Magneto at the White House?

They could have used cerebro to find out if he was ok and then read his mind to find out he wasn't the same logan anymore so obviously reverted back.

Not to mention even just finding out if they actually averted that dark future where mutants are rounded up? Though admittedly they won't find that out from this Wolverine but they don't know that.

There is no way they could know whether its averted though, even if it was the same logan from the future, how would they know? all they can do is assume that trask wasn't killed and the sentinel programme was stopped.

 

[GuestStar2004]

X-Force will be set up in Deadpool 2.

I think most trades are getting X-Force and Deadpool 3 confused. Deadpool 3 likely won't be a year away from 2.

Whether its Deadpool 3 or X-FORCE with Deadpool and some of the characters you see in Deadpool 2 its still a little rushy if its just a year part.

Often there is a purpose for filming things like this back to back, if thats the plan obviously.

 

[def28]

Whether its Deadpool 3 or X-FORCE with Deadpool and some of the characters you see in Deadpool 2 its still a little rushy if its just a year part.

Often there is a purpose for filming things like this back to back, if thats the plan obviously.

It's no different then The Wolverine and DOFP which were less then a year away. Both turned out fine.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It's no different then The Wolverine and DOFP which were less then a year away. Both turned out fine.

I ain't saying it won't turn out ok, its just a surprising move to make.

And remember the wolverine wasn't written with DOFP in mind, that came a while after then they took out the comic costume reveal and added the end credit scene to connect them.

 

[def28]

I ain't saying it won't turn out ok, its just a surprising move to make.

And remember the wolverine wasn't written with DOFP in mind, that came a while after then they took out the comic costume reveal and added the end credit scene to connect them.

I expected it tbh. Deadpool 1 teased Cable and with it's success Deadpool and X-Force became a high priority for the studio and potential money.

Reynolds and the Deadpol team (including Kinberg) were anticipating both of these if Deadpool 1 made enough. This was the goal.