Ant-Man The Official Ant-Man News and Speculation Thread - Part 1

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new clues from Wright?

http://www.edgarwrighthere.com/2014/01/06/january-5th-2014/

in case you're wondering, it's from the 'To Steal An Ant-Man' episode of Avengers Assemble. i look at Rudd and see Henry Pym. i'm quite certain that he will fill Pym's shoes in the movie. so it's weird to even think about Lang still being in the movie. how do you top announcing Paul Rudd as Pym (besides Rashida Jones as Jan)? watch it be Steve Carrell.

So this pretty much confirms that Pym and Lang will both be featured in the film, and the main plot of the movie will revolve around Scott Lang stealing the Ant-Man tech.

My only real concern is the age of Pym.

If they're following closely to the original comic (and the EMH episode), and keeping Hank and Scott at similar ages, then everything sounds great.

But, if Wright is keen on making Pym some aging 1960's hero and a present-day geriatric, then I'll be thoroughly unhappy...
 
I'm sick of the teasing. They should just give us something concrete already!
 
If they're following closely to the original comic (and the EMH episode), and keeping Hank and Scott at similar ages, then everything sounds great.

But, if Wright is keen on making Pym some aging 1960's hero and a present-day geriatric, then I'll be thoroughly unhappy...

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It seems like Hank Pym won't be a major character in the MCU. To Steal an Ant-Man was Lang's origin story.

Hank Pym was already Yellowjacket at that point.

They are really going to do a double origin story in this film? Don't think so.

Just saying, Pym is no longer the creator of Ultron. The writing is on the wall.
 
Well there is that Jamie Bell rumor that never was officially debunked. About him also screen testing back in Oct
 
It seems like Hank Pym won't be a major character in the MCU. To Steal an Ant-Man was Lang's origin story.

Hank Pym was already Yellowjacket at that point.

They are really going to do a double origin story in this film? Don't think so.

Just saying, Pym is no longer the creator of Ultron. The writing is on the wall.

We pretty much have known this from the time AOU was announced. So this isn't a surprise.
 
I have a lot of respect for Edgar Wright, but I'm uneasy about this direction.

I don't dislike Scott Lang, but I'm a Hank Pym fan. Scott Lang has been dead for 10 years.
 
I think the concern is that in the comics, Pym slaps Janet and I don't think Marvel wanted to go that route.
 
I think the concern is that in the comics, Pym slaps Janet and I don't think Marvel wanted to go that route.

You're joking. That was a single page in 40+ years of comic history for that character.

Marvel don't want to go down the alcoholism route with Tony Stark (which is far bigger aspect of that character than Hank's domestic abuse), but they didn't start Iron Man out with Rhodey stealing an 80 year-old Tony's suit, did they?!
 
You're joking. That was a single page in 40+ years of comic history for that character.

Marvel don't want to go down the alcoholism route with Tony Stark (which is far bigger aspect of that character than Hank's domestic abuse), but they didn't start Iron Man out with Rhodey stealing an 80 year-old Tony's suit, did they?!

Don't know much about the character other that what I read online.

But if the main character is Lang and not Pym, then having Ultron without Pym makes sense.
 
I have a lot of respect for Edgar Wright, but I'm uneasy about this direction.

I don't dislike Scott Lang, but I'm a Hank Pym fan. Scott Lang has been dead for 10 years.
Actually, Lang was brought back in the Young Avengers Children's Crusade miniseries from a couple of years ago, and then Doctor Doom killed his daughter Cassie right in front of him. Lang has been the main character in Matt Fraction's FF book.
 
Lang has been leading the Future Foundation in FF and Pym has been leading his robot Avengers team in Avengers AI.

I like both characters although Pym has more character connections through out the Marvel Universe which I hope to see replicated in the MCU. Not having him create Ultron or a founding Avenger I can live with but him being elderly, having no connection with Janet and having a short lived superhero career not shown on screen would be very disappointing for me.
I think the concern is that in the comics, Pym slaps Janet and I don't think Marvel wanted to go that route.
That happened 30 years and I doubt many people outside of hardcore Marvel coming fans have read the actual storyline and the context to which it happened. Most people have just seen the panel on the internet.

Pym's portrayal in the ultimate comics has done more damage to the characters image in the recent years as people who don't know the character think that is how he is the 50 years of 616 comics which he isn't.

I think you can do a double origin movie with Pym and Lang easy enough. You can cut back and forth before they team up. Thor The Dark World cut between Jane, Darcy and co on Earth and Thor and his buddies on Asgard before their storylines intertwined.
 
Lang has been leading the Future Foundation in FF and Pym has been leading his robot Avengers team in Avengers AI.

I like both characters although Pym has more character connections through out the Marvel Universe which I hope to see replicated in the MCU. Not having him create Ultron or a founding Avenger I can live with but him being elderly, having no connection with Janet and having a short lived superhero career not shown on screen would be very disappointing for me.

That happened 30 years and I doubt many people outside of hardcore Marvel coming fans have read the actual storyline and the context to which it happened. Most people have just seen the panel on the internet.

Pym's portrayal in the ultimate comics has done more damage to the characters image in the recent years as people who don't know the character think that is how he is the 50 years of 616 comics which he isn't.

I think you can do a double origin movie with Pym and Lang easy enough. You can cut back and forth before they team up. Thor The Dark World cut between Jane, Darcy and co on Earth and Thor and his buddies on Asgard before their storylines intertwined.

That was one of my biggest problems with TDW. I'm all for showing both, but I went to see Thor, Loki, Malekith, etc. I didn't go to see Kat Dennings. There was way too much of her in the movie. What happened on earth was important for obvious reasons, but they spent too long showing it without Thor and the battle scenes. Just my opinion.
 
The MCU: Ignoring Hank Pym since.... well ever.
 
I much would of preferred more Sif, The Warriors Three and Thor family stuff as well. Darcy has her fans I guess.

With Pym and Lang it wouldn't be as much of an issue as they exist in the same world and their stories are going to converge. I think it would work better than just having Pym appear in the prologue then disappear for half the movie before only to hook up with Lang later on which is what it sounds like is Edgar's plan.

The MCU hasn't featured Pym because Edgar plans on using him and Ant-Man has been held up for almost a decade.
 
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Marvel has allowed Edgar to finish up his trilogy with Simon Pegg and Nick Frost.
 
I think the concern is that in the comics, Pym slaps Janet and I don't think Marvel wanted to go that route.

If that wasn't an issue for the Fantastic Four and Spider-Man movies, then there's no reason it should be a concern for Ant-Man.
Simply don't include that story or anything related to it in the script, problem solved.
 
I like both characters although Pym has more character connections through out the Marvel Universe which I hope to see replicated in the MCU.

they both have connections; many of them overlapping. Lang is pretty much Fantastic Four extended family, at this point. he dated Jessica Jones and used to work for the original Human Torch. he was one of the Defenders and saw the end of reality. he's friends with Carol Danvers and She-Hulk. Cassie calls Tony Stark "uncle." he was part of Heroes for Hire. he's done several personal favors for Bruce Banner. he's adventured with Rom the Spaceknight, the Micronauts, and Spider-man. he just held Uatu at gun point. he's getting battle strategy advice from Sun Tzu and Julius Caeser. but anyways, I still think the movie should center around Pym or, at least, set he and Jan up for appearances in the main Avengers film.
 
I'm wondering if maybe Wright is doing something where the story is told from Pym's perspective with Lang initially set-up as the villain before it is revealed that he is being manipulated by someone else, and the two team-up at the end. It matches what he said recently about liking when the villain is connected to the hero. And I think it is a good way of giving Pym and Lang their fair due.

All it would require is him moving Pym's initial tenure as Ant-Man up from the 60's in his original plan to the 90's or 00's. Assuming he's playing Pym, Rudd's the right age for such a scenario, IMO.
 
Well there is that Jamie Bell rumor that never was officially debunked. About him also screen testing back in Oct

I've always been a big fan of that rumor. Bell's already done the heist thing, as well.
 
I'm wondering if maybe Wright is doing something where the story is told from Pym's perspective with Lang initially set-up as the villain before it is revealed that he is being manipulated by someone else, and the two team-up at the end. It matches what he said recently about liking when the villain is connected to the hero. And I think it is a good way of giving Pym and Lang their fair due.

All it would require is him moving Pym's initial tenure as Ant-Man up from the 60's in his original plan to the 90's or 00's. Assuming he's playing Pym, Rudd's the right age for such a scenario, IMO.

I think something like this is exactly what we will get. The villains kidnapped Cassie, made Lang do it etc.
You might have hit the nail on the head that the 60's aspects we've heard about have been moved to the early 90's
There have been a few subtle references to the early 90's, and early 90's tech, one by Coulson himself in the Shield show.

My thoughts on the Lang and Pym thing: Lang is Ant Man. Pym/Rudd is actually Yellowjacket and Giant Man at different times.

Pym rejects being Ant Man early on, accidentally became Yellowjacket after being stuck in the negative zone with only a handful of tech, and a bright Yellow beekeeper looking lab-coat. He takes the name Yellowjacket, and Jan takes the name Wasp because early think tank scientists wear beekeeper suits before AIM went corporate.. Instead of being related with Ants right away, the beekeepers triggered Pym's Yellowjacket persona first. Pym and Jan are inspired to name their first personas after creatures that are more agressive than bees, are smaller than bees, & can sting the beekeepers repeatedly. The Yellowjacket/Wasp tech uses Pym particles differently than Lang. Yellowjacket's device can shrink others so small that they're sent to the negative zone, by focusing the pym particles into a beam/ray, and stinging them until they're removed from the fabric of space-time and fall into Negative Zone, deep in the subatomic realms.

Pym's reluctant to be a hero, this can be tied into the uncertainty principle from quantum mechanics. Now that he becomes Yellowjacket first, in a different way, anything can happen, and others had to complete parts of his destiny while he was trapped in the Negative Zone.

Time moves much faster the smaller you get. Electrons can almost be in two places at once from our perspective.
 
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