The Official Ant-Man News and Speculation Thread - Part 2

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  1. ThePowerCosmic

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    It seemed SHIELD related to me, and I am pretty sure we are to assume that she's on a SHIELD mission. And so far we've seen her working for SHIELD in IM2, Avengers and TWS. It's safe to say she is fully SHIELD. Her Marvel wikia also mentions her as an agent of SHIELD. Nothing in the MCU so far has said otherwise. I doubt she's freelance.

    And yeah, Barton gave her a choice to either come over to SHIELD or die. She chose SHIELD.
     
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  2. Ant-manic

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    fair enough. i have no dog in this fight. we're still talking about a minority (or half) of heroes (not even superheroes) being agents of SHIELD. that was the point that i was countering.

    Natasha
    Clint
    Rogers
    Falcon (speculatively)
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    Iron Man
    Thor
    Hulk
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  3. seahammer

    seahammer Asgardian

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    I assumed that Pym would be associated with SHIELD because of Slevig's deleted line in Thor (I know, it doesn't really count if it's deleted, but didn't Feige confirm this?) when he referenced a colleague of his who had dealings with SHIELD in the past. Maybe he wouldn't be a "SHIELD scientist" per se, but there was some relationship already posed in the MCU... sorta.

    Also, it would be cool to see a nod to Selvig as a former colleague/contemporary of Pym's. Maybe a photo on Pym's desk of them together at the '74 Stark Expo ;)
     
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  4. Mrs. Sawyer

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    There's still time to nominate your favorite movies of 2013 in the SHH! movie awards! Click on my sig now in order to start nominating!
     
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  5. Ant-manic

    Ant-manic Well-Known Member

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    it's just how i interpreted it but i thought that Selvig was suggesting that Pym had a bad encounter with S.H.I.E.L.D; as opposed to him working for them. if anything, i think he probably turned them down. that's why he (or his research) wasn't part of the Avengers Initiative.
     
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  6. ThePowerCosmic

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    Yeah, and to be clear, I wasn't disagreeing with you about a minority of heroes being SHIELD. :up:
     
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  7. metaphysician

    metaphysician Not a Side-Kick

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    I would note that the difference between "top SHIELD agent" and "superhero" is largely a matter of behavior.
     
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  8. Ant-manic

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    what do you mean?
     
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  9. Endeavor

    Endeavor Que bolá con el timbeque?

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    I think he means the only difference between someone the likes of Agent May and a bonafide superhero like Hawkeye is the exposure they get, because in the latter the heroics are in the public forum. So because Agent Barton is now out there openly doing his thing he's considered a superhero, whereas before he was still the same guy with the same abilities but to the public he was just shadowy government figure #254
     
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  10. Whiskey Tango

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    Right. Like what if Bruce Wayne decided to join the CIA instead of donning the Bat costume.

    And if your first thought is, "He'd chafe less" then you know far too much about spandex. Weirdo.
     
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  11. mkilban2

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    Maybe you just don't know enough about Spandex WT!
     
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  12. DaddlerTheDalek

    DaddlerTheDalek Starship Captain

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    Very Good Point.
    I would like to see that Pym doesn't like SHIELD.
     
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  13. cherokeesam

    cherokeesam SHIELD Director Coulson

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    That's my interpretation, too. Selvig was saying it in context of Jane getting all her stuff stolen by SHIELD, so it seemed like Selvig was saying, "Yeah, reminds me of this guy I knew, Pym, who had his stuff jacked by these guys a long time ago."

    Nothing in the deleted scene led me to believe that Pym worked for SHIELD; only that they had given him a hard time.
     
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  14. Endeavor

    Endeavor Que bolá con el timbeque?

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    Don't judge me ! :argh:
     
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  15. metaphysician

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    Eh. . . for him to be helpful, those "dealings" kind of have to be *some* kind of friendly association. Otherwise, what could he do besides tell them "yes, SHIELD can be *****"?
     
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  16. TheHeatKitchen

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    Are you counting clearance level?
     
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  17. cherokeesam

    cherokeesam SHIELD Director Coulson

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    I think Selvig was implying that Pym was able to get his stuff back, or some measure of satisfaction towards that, and he was telling Jane that Pym could tell her how he went about doing that.
     
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  18. seahammer

    seahammer Asgardian

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    This was my thinking, too.

    I just rewatched the scene. I could see this interpretation, but honestly I think that it's ambiguous enough that either reading could be true.

    Regardless, I would like to see the Selvig connection again.
     
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  19. chamber-music

    chamber-music Infinity Ammo

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    Anyone read this weeks FF?

    New interesting take on how Pym Particles work within the MU
     
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  20. Endeavor

    Endeavor Que bolá con el timbeque?

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    Could you share since I wont be going to the comic book shop anytime soon?
     
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  21. chamber-music

    chamber-music Infinity Ammo

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    They rewrote some of the basic ways in which many superpowers work and relate to each other in the Marvel Universe.
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    Scott Lang gave Doctor Doom one of the biggest ass kickings in the characters history.

    I don't think I've seen a A List villain get beat by a C List character that badly in years
    I've already seen posters on other sites saying they made Ant-Man and other possible Pym Particle users too powerful now :funny:
     
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  22. Endeavor

    Endeavor Que bolá con el timbeque?

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    thank you
     
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  23. metaphysician

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    Well, yes. That would require he be on some kind of friendly terms with them, unless you think Selvig was proposing they respond via overt criminality.
     
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  24. cherokeesam

    cherokeesam SHIELD Director Coulson

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    Here's what I'm getting at, in a nutshell: I think what was meant was that Pym had his Ant-Man suit "stolen"/commandeered by SHIELD back in the 1960s, and he found a way to steal it back (might be the actual plot to the Ant-Man movie, if it turns out to be "prequelish" to the Avengers saga); and Selvig was suggesting that Jane contact Pym to find out how he managed to do that so that she could do the same to steal *her* stuff back.

    That would also explain why the scene was deleted --- Wright had just pushed Ant-Man to the backburner yet again as Thor was filming.
     
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  25. metaphysician

    metaphysician Not a Side-Kick

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    If such were the case to the point of Selvig knowing it, why exactly wouldn't Pym be in prison?

    This is going rather excessively too far in an attempt to somehow justify people being enemies of SHIELD.
     
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