Ant-Man The Official Ant-Man News and Speculation Thread - Part 9

[Mike Murdock]

Yeah, I remember reading an article that said King Kong wouldn't exist because his body would collapse under its own weight or something along those lines.

Honestly, it's not worth thinking about, but the most obvious example I could think of was the dog-sized Ant. Ants are able to support their weight on the legs they have because they're so small. Once they become our size, they couldn't even do that. So that ant shouldn't have been able to walk. This is known as the scaling paradox. It's incidentally why ants can lift so many times their body weight. If a human were that small, it could lift even more (although nowhere near as much as Ant-Man can).

 

[TheVision]

Maybe the Pym Particles affect the strength of things that grow so that kind of stuff wont happen. But its also Science Fiction, at some point Spider Man can climb walls and ants can grow and run around like dogs.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I can agree with that.

For me only TWS and the Avengers movies had better action and they all had much higher budgets.

 

[Dark Raven]

More about the science of Ant-Man:

What 'Ant-Man' Gets Wrong About The Real Quantum Realm

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chadorzel/2015/08/03/the-rules-of-the-quantum-realm/

 

[InCali]

More about the science of Ant-Man:

What 'Ant-Man' Gets Wrong About The Real Quantum Realm

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chadorzel/2015/08/03/the-rules-of-the-quantum-realm/

The cool thing about science is that it tells us what isn't right and not what "is" right. Want to know why it's called Quantum Theory? This is going to come as a big surprise, but it's called that because it is a "theory". It explains activity at a particular level with a certain degree of probability. Quantum Theory is no more right than any other theory that has yet to be disproven.

In 50 years or so, someone is likely to be saying "You know what they taught in Universities back in 2015? Quantum Physics, that's what. Bwahahaha!!" It will be just like any other theory (Like Newtonian Physics) in that it will explain some behavior (Newtonian Physics explains the behavior of sufficiently large objects not approaching the speed of light), but not all behavior. The most likely scenario is that better theories spring up to take its place.

 

[TheVision]

I dont care if Ant Man's Quantum Realm is wrong scientifically. Hence the genre Science FICTION.

 

[Dark Raven]

If all movies adhered strictly to verisimilitude, they would be quite boring. Even basic car chases would be much less dramatic. These wooden or metal barriers that cars crash through either at a parking lot or check point would probably damage the car quite considerably or slice through the window if at speed, instead of just being batted out of the way like it were balsa wood.

 

[TheVision]

Yep, most movies are a heightened fictional version of reality so sci-fi is just the same but even more since it deals with technology etc. If you go see Marvel or sci fi movies and say things like "that could never happen" you probably need to take a class about reality vs fantasy.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

Bah. 99% of superhero powers are impossible when considered scientifically. The Flash would kill anyone he was carrying due to the force of acceleration -- if they didn't get incinerated first because friction with the air would turn Flash into a running ball of fire. And of course there's Larry Niven's classic essay "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex," which sketches out why Supes & Lois would never work.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Are you trying to tell me that Dog Welder couldn't really weld dead dogs to people?

 

[metaphysician]

Maybe every other year is gold! haha

Avengers? YAY
IM3 and Thor 2? Okay
TWS and GOTG? YAYY!!!!
AOU and Ant-Man? Okay

Depends on if your measuring by critical response or box office revenue. By the latter, its the "okay" years that actually did better. Admittedly, this is because Avengers 1 had no other movie that year. . .

 

[Sleiek]

Honestly, it's not worth thinking about, but the most obvious example I could think of was the dog-sized Ant. Ants are able to support their weight on the legs they have because they're so small. Once they become our size, they couldn't even do that. So that ant shouldn't have been able to walk. This is known as the scaling paradox. It's incidentally why ants can lift so many times their body weight. If a human were that small, it could lift even more (although nowhere near as much as Ant-Man can).

Yeah, I agree.

This is why I don't rely on real life physics to judge sci-fi movies.

I see these movies to escape reality, not bring them into my reality. lol

 

[InCali]

Honestly, it's not worth thinking about, but the most obvious example I could think of was the dog-sized Ant. Ants are able to support their weight on the legs they have because they're so small. Once they become our size, they couldn't even do that. So that ant shouldn't have been able to walk. This is known as the scaling paradox. It's incidentally why ants can lift so many times their body weight. If a human were that small, it could lift even more (although nowhere near as much as Ant-Man can).

Yeah. We're not going to class to learn how to design a laser. We're going to a movie to enjoy ourselves.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah. We're not going to class to learn how to design a laser. We're going to a movie to enjoy ourselves.

spot on, I hate when people over analyse stuff like this.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

We're not going to class to learn how to design a laser.

This sort of lackadaisical approach is why your villainous schemes never work out.

 

[InCali]

This sort of lackadaisical approach is why your villainous schemes never work out.

No. They don't work out because I'm an idiot and can't keep my mouth shut.

 

[gildedmuse]

In fairness, sometimes it's impossible to turn off that part of your brain. It depends on your level of knowledge and the realism of the work, but there are times when something just hits up against a "fact" wall so hard that you can't handle the discordance.

If I'm watching a movie and it randomly started making false claims about Shakespeare's work in a casual, "this is the truth" way my brain would rebel against that. Strangely, if a movie made the claim that Shakespeare wrote a play about Queen Victoria I would just assume that, oh, that is so removed from reality that they are clearly not even trying to be factual and would have a lot easier time accepting it. I would think Ant-Man would fall in the second category for most people but who knows. Maybe it just hits too hard on that fact-wall for some.

 

[TheVision]

The MCU began with Tony Stark building an arc reactor out of a box of scraps in a cave, then using it to fly around at Mach 5. Now while it does seem more plausible than some of the other stuff we've seen, none of it is reality. So theres no point in trying to disprove things in the MCU or sci fi in general. Just buy your ticket, a box of popcorn, some sno caps or ju ju beads, sit there and enjoy the movie ok?

 

[InCali]

The MCU began with Tony Stark building an arc reactor out of a box of scraps in a cave, then using it to fly around at Mach 5. Now while it does seem more plausible than some of the other stuff we've seen, none of it is reality. So theres no point in trying to disprove things in the MCU or sci fi in general. Just buy your ticket, a box of popcorn, some sno caps or ju ju beads, sit there and enjoy the movie ok?

I'll go to the Cinemark and have beer and pizza instead. t:

 

[TheVision]

Pizza and beer is even better!

 

[chamber-music]

What if Werner Herzog Directed Ant-Man?
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[PyroChamber]

Has it been mentioned if Edgar Wright saw the movie or not?

 

[JtheDreamer]

The MCU began with Tony Stark building an arc reactor out of a box of scraps in a cave, then using it to fly around at Mach 5. Now while it does seem more plausible than some of the other stuff we've seen, none of it is reality. So theres no point in trying to disprove things in the MCU or sci fi in general. Just buy your ticket, a box of popcorn, some sno caps or ju ju beads, sit there and enjoy the movie ok?

The only time I can't suspend my disbelief is when it becomes a cheap plot device or deus ex machina.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

What if Werner Herzog Directed Ant-Man?
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An instant classic! t:

 

[cph9fa]

I hesitate to write this because folks may take it the wrong way... but watching all the drama around the Fantastic Four, I can't help but comparing it with this film. One of the worst things about the former's attempted reboot is the obvious "creative differences" that shine through between various parts of the film, and the now infamous bickering between the director and the studio. Considering the history of Ant-Man (and without putting blame on any party), it makes me wonder just how close we might have come to having Ant-Man be in a similar position. I think we're very fortunate to have gotten the great movie that we did.