The Official Avengers Thread (Heroic Age Bendis/JRJR) - Part 1

[TheCorpulent1]

He's good enough on their sales, and he claims he keeps getting new ideas for the comics.

There's still Avengers Academy.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I think that Bendis is totally burned out with the Avengers. The guy did Avengers #500 - 503 + Finale, Avengers #1 - 18 + 12.1, New Avengers #1 - 64 + 3 annuals, Illuminati, and Finale, New Avengers #1 - 17 + 16.1 and 1 annual, Mighty Avengers #1 - 20, Dark Avengers #1 - 16 + annual, Avengers Prime #1 - 5, Dark Reign: The List - Avengers, New Avengers: The Illuminati #1 - 5, and one of the US military New Avengers comics. That's over 160 individual issues of various Avengers books within the span of 7 years, double the amount a typical writer does on a run on one book.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

The thing is who else has really done anything SPECIAL with the Avengers Titles as well? I don't feel Warren Ellis, Brubaker, or Slott did anything special with their Avengers titles. The state of Avengers as a whole has just been stale since Bendis first reconstructed that corner of the universe and nobody has really done anything special with them yet since.

 

[IKB]

It's difficult to do anything with a book if half of the issues you write are tie-ins for whichever crossover Marvel has on that month.

 

[THANOSRULES]

I agree Slott's Mighty duty was not the "greatest", but i still felt it was better than anything Bendis has done.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I really wanted to like Slott's Mighty, especially after seeing his stuff in AtI but it just really wasn't that good. Nothing comes back to me as memorable except for odd robot wife stuff by Dr. Pym. I say give Gage the book and let him run with it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

If recent history has proven anything, it's that Gage can write absolutely anything well. I haven't been disappointed in anything I've read by him for years now. It's kind of scary, to be honest... makes me wonder if his inevitable fall will be even more spectacular than the likes of Bendis' and Fraction's.

 

[bored]

"Academy" has been special, and I loved "Mighty" when Slott took over, as it actually read like a good, classic Avengers book. I was also fond of FVL's "Dead Avengers" mini during Chaos War.

 

[runawayboulder]

I think Mark Waid should get the Avengers.

 

[THANOSRULES]

^ I'd love that


I liked Slott's unspoken ARC....it was Kirby esque and the Avengers need more powerful threats, since the old ones are probably off limits. I still think Slott had his hands tied behind his back as to what could be done with his characters, seemed like he had bigger plans for Pym and John Walker that never developed.

I didnt really go for the Pym as Wasp thing, mainly because the costume was not the best.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Waid on the Avengers would be cool. He kicked ass on the JLA after Morrison left.

 

[Anubis]

^ I'd love that


I liked Slott's unspoken ARC....it was Kirby esque and the Avengers need more powerful threats, since the old ones are probably off limits. I still think Slott had his hands tied behind his back as to what could be done with his characters, seemed like he had bigger plans for Pym and John Walker that never developed.

I didnt really go for the Pym as Wasp thing, mainly because the costume was not the best.

That costume was awesome!

 

[runawayboulder]

The costume was great. He should've kept the Yellowjacket codename, I think it still would've worked.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

F*** that. Retire the Yellowjacket codename, costume, and everything else and bury that s*** in a deep, dark hole. Terrible costume that represents a terrible time in Hank's life.

I liked Pym as the Wasp. Especially since the only reason anyone could seem to come up with for why it was bad was, "Da Wasp is, like, a gurl's name!"

 

[runawayboulder]

It was an odd time for Pym between that and making Jocasta his personal RealDoll.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Look, the man needed to work through some stuff. The love of his life just died while he was a prisoner of aliens--the same aliens who were simultaneously besmirching his good name on Earth. That'd f*** anyone's head up.

 

[moraldeficiency]

It was an odd time for Pym between that and making Jocasta his personal RealDoll.

Yeah, that's really the only thing that stood out for me from Slott's avengers run and not in a fun way. That kind of thing made me wish he'd just go back to wife beating.

 

[Anubis]

Pfft, haters gonna hate.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I don't hate it, I just don't really even remember much of it other than that. There just wasn't much meat to his Avengers. They had an interdimensional place and they met blackbolt's like dad or something Fear Itselfish.

I really wanted to like the run, I read it, but nothing really stuck as fun or anything. I didn't dislike it either it just was boring.

 

[Anubis]

Dude, he owned Reed Richards with a Sonic Screwdriver. YOU DON'T KNOW FROM AWESOME!!!!

 

[moraldeficiency]

eh, that FF fight just seemed sillier than most things featured in silly comic misunderstanding initial fight before team up things.

"You're not a responsible scientist!"
"Now I shall send my avengers to kick your ass!"
"Have at thee!"

Sorry it didn't really stand out all that well. That entire thing could have easily been written by Bendis plot and actions all. AtI or Avengers Academy has had more and better avengers stories than anything NA, MA or SA has had since NA started. Slott's run just wasn't there, I think if you're honest you'll agree unless you really think his MA was just the mosquito's ****. I wanted it to be, I really did, but it was just utterly boring on many levels. The threats I just didn't feel and everything else including team cohesion just didn't resonate. The most likable person there for me was USAgent. That's not a good thing for a team book.

 

[THANOSRULES]

Slott wrote Pym excellent.

He really exposed himself as a Pym fan. Between what happned to Pym in Ultimates, and the way his 616 counterpart was headed, he really saved the guy.

I simply didn't like the 'stume...it was too teen hero-ish for me.

To me , I was disappointed by Slott on Avengers because i thought he was going to be the guy to replace Bendis, which never happened..yet.

Slott just honors continuity, he's not brash in the face of it , and he embraces and thrives because of it. He only had a few arcs anyway. I think Slott can, and still will be a legendary Avengers writer someday.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Well ultimate shouldn't really count for anyone, it is an alternate universe. I mean there's a mass murdering spider-man in exiles but that's kinda the fun of alternate universes.

I think Pym's been more "redeemed" in his work with AtI and AA even though AtI was a skrull.

He might. I thought the black bolt thing was silly though and the FF fight just made little sense on many levels.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think anyone's work with the Initiative redeemed them, with maybe Justice as the only exception (since he made it clear from the beginning that the only reason he joined was to keep an eye on the Initiative and make sure they weren't abusing their power). Wasn't Pym himself disgusted with the very idea of the Initiative when he returned? He would've definitely been on Cap's side in Civil War and I very much doubt he would've condoned something like the Initiative, let alone run it and even help mastermind it.

As for Slott's Mighty, "uneven" is probably the best word for it. I enjoyed it when it was going, but that was primarily because it was the only alternative to Bendis' wonky take on the Avengers. It's definitely not as good overall as Avengers Academy, Chris Gage's current alternative to Bendis' wonky Avengers, is. But it was all right. The Unspeakable and Pym becoming "Scientist Supreme" didn't do much for me, but the Chthon arc, basically everything with Quicksilver, and a lot of the other Pym stuff worked quite well. I think it would've been a decent Avengers run pre-Disassembled. I think the fact that it was post-Disassembled definitely magnified old Avengers fans' appreciation of it, though.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Idk if this has been posted, but I guess cables back to kill the avengers?