The Official Batman (1989) Thread - Part 5

[Travesty]

As for Bruce Wayne interacting with him, he's Batman. He's not afraid of him.

That's not the point. If he's a terrorist, there shouldn't be any kind of common interaction, there should just be him apprehending him like you said.

 

[Decepticonus]

Ok without going into politics I'll sum it up like this; Che Guevara had done a lot of good. He traveled throughout South America and was radicalized by the poverty, hunger, and disease he witnessed. Fulgencio Batista was pretty bad at the time and change was needed and Che and Fidel the rest removed him from power. A lot of people were happy about that.

I've no strong opinion on the man, but he was seen as a freedom revolutionist with good intentions. I believe that's why there's enough support to put him on t-shirts in Cuba and so forth.

At best there's a dividing opinion on him. But that's because there's arguments for good things he did for many people, like some of the ones I mentioned. Not to mention his history is often rewritten and revised.

Who could say the same for the Joker?

Sorry that was a bit longer than I intended it to be, but I just wanted to be clear on why there's a world of difference between these two men.



Thank you. That's all I'm saying.



I don't know what comics or movies you're referring to, but in BTAS he did not have his own casino. A millionaire built a casino in his image (and claimed it was built in honor of the classic Joker image associated with cards and games) so Joker would destroy it and he would collect on the insurance. Painting pictures for Gotham's wealthy....are you talking about the 60's TV show there? Because that is about the only show where they could get away with something as cartoony as that and have it feel normal for that campy world.

As for Bruce Wayne interacting with him, he's Batman. He's not afraid of him.

1.) Not trying to compare the two men but the response towards them by people, that people just have this fascination with particular individuals. Hell, in the New 52 when he gets his face removed there's like this pro-Joker rally/wake outside. I mean we all hate Hitler but can't help but to read and watch stuff on him. Either way, let's move on

2.) Good point about the casino BUT I just remember the episode with New Year's Eve that I remember vaguely of him threatening Times Square on television and no cops there, just Gordon shows it to Batman and that's it. Don't recall all of it I just watch the Harley & Ivy part of that ep. and skip the rest. But I suppose you could argue "Hey at least the cops responded by phoning up Batman."

 

[The Joker]

That's not the point. If he's a terrorist, there shouldn't be any kind of common interaction, there should just be him apprehending him like you said.

Can you tell me what instances you're talking about where Bruce Wayne publicly interacted with him?

 

[Decepticonus]

That's not the point. If he's a terrorist, there shouldn't be any kind of common interaction, there should just be him apprehending him like you said.

He might give away he's Batman though, plus I love how he interacted with Joker there. Commenting how it'd be a horrible place to work having to look at those terrible pictures of that clown all day and how it could do things to "your mind" which Joker responds under his breath "who said you had one".

 

[The Joker]

1.) Not trying to compare the two men but the response towards them by people, that people just have this fascination with particular individuals. I mean we all hate Hitler but can't help but to read and watch stuff on him. Either way, let's move on

I'm not denying people are fascinated by killers and bad men. I mean they make books and movies about them. They are a very interesting subject. But that's a different argument to the situation in B'89.

Hell, in the New 52 when he gets his face removed there's like this pro-Joker rally/wake outside.

What? I never heard of this. Rally held by whom?

2.) Good point about the casino BUT I just remember the episode with New Year's Eve that I remember vaguely of him threatening Times Square on television and no cops there, just Gordon shows it to Batman and that's it. Don't recall all of it I just watch the Harley & Ivy part of that ep. and skip the rest. But I suppose you could argue "Hey at least the cops responded by phoning up Batman."

No he never threatened Time's Square. He said and I quote "A countdown of victims that will end at midnight unless our dear Dark Knight stops me first". He never said where. Batman figured he might mean at Gotham Time's Square where the midnight countdown happens because he said countdown of victims.

 

[Travesty]

Can you tell me what instances you're talking about where Bruce Wayne publicly interacted with him?

Heh, sure, I'll be back to cite it 'em tomorrow when I get back home.

And all of this, cause I pointed out that The Joker didn't threaten anybody in that one scene(which he didn't). Lol

 

[Keehar]

Heh that's because Joker being there is the big 'ol threat. Saying he'll be anywhere where there's innocent folks is a threat. He's the Joker. A1 threat. Dun dun dun!!!!

 

[Travesty]

Sooooo much backpedaling.

 

[Decepticonus]

I'm not denying people are fascinated by killers and bad men. I mean they make books and movies about them. They are a very interesting subject. But that's a different argument to the situation in B'89.



What? I never heard of this. Rally held by whom?



No he never threatened Time's Square. He said and I quote "A countdown of victims that will end at midnight unless our dear Dark Knight stops me first". He never said where. Batman figured he might mean at Gotham Time's Square where the midnight countdown happens because he said countdown of victims.

1.) Fair enough

2.) Somewhere in Vol. 1 of New 52 Detective Comics, just a bunch of kids more or less. It's kinda funny cause they all dress up like Joker and Batman runs through the crowd.

3.) OK you got me there, like I said I've watched that episode like maybe 3-4 times in my lifetime and watched all the other episodes of Joker like 100 times more. So I didn't recall the details but thank you.

 

[The Joker]

Heh, sure, I'll be back to cite it 'em tomorrow when I get back home.

And all of this, cause I pointed out that The Joker didn't threaten anybody in that one scene(which he didn't). Lol

Thank ye kindly. I am genuinely fascinated because I can only think of two instances myself. In the 60's show, and the casino one in BTAS.

2.) Somewhere in Vol. 1 of New 52 Detective Comics, just a bunch of kids more or less. It's kinda funny cause they all dress up like Joker and Batman runs through the crowd.

Ah right kids. Sounds like an early stage of the Batman Beyond Jokerz gang lol.

3.) OK you got me there, like I said I've watched that episode like maybe 3-4 times in my lifetime and watched all the other episodes of Joker like 100 times more. So I didn't recall the details but thank you.

No prob. Great episode btw. I watch it every Christmas, along with 'Christmas with the Joker' and BR.

 

[Penguin]

I don’t think it was too much of an interaction, but when Joker visits the City Hall with the mimes, Wayne is there, they don’t say anything to each other, but they make eye contact when Bruce starts to speed walk towards the car. I think Joker waves at him too when they leave.

This is random, but I love the line, “Jack? Jack is dead, my friend. You can call me... Joker! And as you can see, I'm a lot happier!"

Here's a lovely photo too!

 

[Kane52630]

http://kane52630.tumblr.com/post/120980106784/do-i-look-like-im-joking-batman-1989

 

[ThePhantasm]

Well... kinda.

 

[Kane52630]

I don't know why but I've always been fond of this little scene right here.

http://kane52630.tumblr.com/post/120983716299/wayne-manor-batman-1989

 

[regwec]

Some of the posts over the last few pages have read like a shouting toddler.

 

[Penguin]

I noticed that the outfit Joker wears in the dinner scene with Vicki Vale is pretty much the same one the Joker wears in BTAS excluding the pants and the vest.

 

[Greens]

Random observation: Bruce isn't really a celebrity in the Burton universe, compared to other incarnations. He can just go out to city hall without anybody talking to him. Bob says "She's dating some guy name Wayne" as if he's a nobody. Vicki doesn't know what he looks like at first. He's very much a recluse and not the playboy type.

 

[Rodrigo90]

The only Bruce Wayne I can relate to

 

[Greens]

Bruce's humongous dining table destroys any relatability.

 

[Penguin]

I may be in the minority, but I actually that Batman kills people in the Burton films, I may prefer him when he doesn’t kill, but it’s interesting to see him do so and how he reacts to it. Anybody else feel this way?

 

[Keehar]

Random observation: Bruce isn't really a celebrity in the Burton universe, compared to other incarnations. He can just go out to city hall without anybody talking to him. Bob says "She's dating some guy name Wayne" as if he's a nobody. Vicki doesn't know what he looks like at first. He's very much a recluse and not the playboy type.

Yep didn't like that either. There should be like three faces to Bruce. The famous millionaire celeb. The Bruce that Alfred, Robin and them really know. And Batman. Makes him more interesting having all those angles to his life. Pure West even had that.

 

[regwec]

Random observation: Bruce isn't really a celebrity in the Burton universe, compared to other incarnations. He can just go out to city hall without anybody talking to him. Bob says "She's dating some guy name Wayne" as if he's a nobody. Vicki doesn't know what he looks like at first. He's very much a recluse and not the playboy type.

Yes, though the fact that he is able to hold a fundraiser at his home that is attended by most of Gotham society indicates that he is still a public figure of some sort.

It seems to be a similar position to Bale-Bruce's, after he gave up being Batman when his girlfriend got killed.

 

[Keehar]

Yes, though the fact that he is able to hold a fundraiser at his home that is attended by most of Gotham society indicates that he is still a public figure of some sort.

Being a millionaire from a big name family throwing a free bash to raise funds for the city would bring in the city's society. Don't need to be a public figure for that.

It seems to be a similar position to Bale-Bruce's, after he gave up being Batman when his girlfriend got killed.

 

[regwec]

Being a millionaire from a big name family throwing a free bash to raise funds for the city would bring in the city's society. Don't need to be a public figure for that.

i.e. a public figure.

 

[The Joker]

Random observation: Bruce isn't really a celebrity in the Burton universe, compared to other incarnations. He can just go out to city hall without anybody talking to him. Bob says "She's dating some guy name Wayne" as if he's a nobody. Vicki doesn't know what he looks like at first. He's very much a recluse and not the playboy type.

With Vicki I think it was understandable because she was new to Gotham. But Knox was a native of Gotham, a member of the press as well, and he had no clue who Bruce was when he met him. That's when you knew this Bruce was some kind of hermit recluse.