The Official Batman (1989) Thread - Part 5

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Rodrigo90 said:
Right, so I was watching Batman Returns over Xmas and this lead to me watching Batman 1989 and, like many of us, it lead to me wondering the fate of Keaton's Batman/Bruce Wayne.
Then, it inspired me on a project I want to work on, which I'm writing up this moment.

A third Batman, utilising the characters and world Burton set up, 20 years into the future.
I've been studying up and drawing from the scripts written by Hamm and Waters, and I'm working in their style of storytelling.

I haven't got the villain pegged yet, because I'm just working on the fundamentals of the first act.
However, it starts with a young man entering Gotham via train. He's been given a letter, telling him to travel to Gotham for the truth.
I'll be using the flashback technique to tell this portion of the story: The young man's stepfather was murdered when he was young, and most recently, his mother passed away from an illness. She reveals in her letter to him where to find his real father. You can probably see where I'm going with this... The young man, his mother was Vicki Vale (I'd imagine a Kim Basinger cameo) and this reveals to us why she really left Bruce after the 1989 movie - she didn't want her child living under the Batman's shadow.
Bruce, himself, is no longer "Bruce Wayne"... Alfred ia dead and Wayne Manor lies in abandoned tatters. Bruce Wayne, the mysterious public figure disappeared long ago, and only the "Batman" remains, where, now, his primary residence is in the Batcave... and he's stacked up on mountains of food to last last him til his dying day, so no Alfred-shopping required.
I'm keeping it in the vain of the Burton character. It's not where I'd imagine THE Batman from the comics being, but Burton's Batman.
The story is mainly about a father and son meeting for the first time, and the son's only last remaining family member, who he is truly intrigued by, is still the ultimate loner, who now sees himself only as a creature of the night and nothing else...
And as the son graduates towards to becoming the bat, the bat graduates back to his own humanity that will make him the father the kid so desperately desires...

I'll be posting a few pages up soon for you guys to read and see what you think, perhaps give me a few ideas as to who the villian should be :p
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that sounds great! looking forward to the rest :up:
 
GREEN =w= DAY said:
that sounds great! looking forward to the rest :up:
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Thanks man! :D

And Scarecrow and Two-Face are to be the main villians.
As Two-Face will be another product of blaming Batman for being the way he is and Scarecrow will be to serve under the role of exposing Keaton's fears, where I'll include a Joker cameo (aged Jack Nicholson for an aged Batman :D) mocking him
"You made me... you made Two-Face... what are you going to make your own flesh and blood into?"
So, this will be the turning-point of Keaton's Bruce and will spark a desire to regain his humanity, but that will also introduce the struggle of shedding the Batman persona, his apparent true persona, forever. It's the same as Two-Face struggling with the Harvey Dent persona, and Crane giving into his lust for torture, while believing he's doing a good deed by forcing people to conquer their fears.

And I'm trying to see if Catwoman/Selina can have enough room for a cameo where we see she's turned to a Fagin-like role in Gotham, taking in street orphans, homeless women, prostitutes, and teaching them to survive and gain via means of thievery and combat.
 
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DaRkVeNgeanCe said:
Her performance in LA Confidential which is one of my favorite films, is the absolute best of her career no contest.
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Perhaps my favorite "Kim Basinger is a pain in the you know what to work with" story is when she did Cool World. To make a long story short, Ralph Bakshi, the director, wanted to make an R-rated animated/live-action horror movie w/ Drew Barrymore playing Kim Basinger's part and Brad Pitt playing Gabriel Bryne's part.

After the producer, Frank Mancuso, Jr. (who had produced the Friday the 13th movies for Paramount and by this point, had grown tired of making horror movies) had the script rewritten w/o consulting Bakshi first (Bakshi tried to quit the project, but didn't because he would've been sued), Kim Basinger wanted the movie to be toned down even further because she wanted something w/ her to show sick children that she met in hospitals (I am not making that up).:loco: I guess because Kim saw it as a cartoon, she automatically assumed that it was easily accessible to kids (plus, many kids saw her in Batman around that same period).

Ultimately, when they tried to compromise, the whole thing turned out to be a big cluster-frack (or to be more pilot, a poor-man's Who Framed Roger Rabbit)!
 
Rodrigo90 said:
Thanks man! :D

And Scarecrow and Two-Face are to be the main villians.
As Two-Face will be another product of blaming Batman for being the way he is and Scarecrow will be to serve under the role of exposing Keaton's fears, where I'll include a Joker cameo (aged Jack Nicholson for an aged Batman :D) mocking him
"You made me... you made Two-Face... what are you going to make your own flesh and blood into?"
So, this will be the turning-point of Keaton's Bruce and will spark a desire to regain his humanity, but that will also introduce the struggle of shedding the Batman persona, his apparent true persona, forever. It's the same as Two-Face struggling with the Harvey Dent persona, and Crane giving into his lust for torture, while believing he's doing a good deed by forcing people to conquer their fears.

And I'm trying to see if Catwoman/Selina can have enough room for a cameo where we see she's turned to a Fagin-like role in Gotham, taking in street orphans, homeless women, prostitutes, and teaching them to survive and gain via means of thievery and combat.
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Actually, Scarecrow's motivation will be different, as I've realised the similarities between that and Crane's dad from Gotham.

Scarecrow is Crane's response to Terry's Batman not killing criminals like Bruce did. With them piling up in Arkham and relating the same fear of Batman over and over again to Crane, who is already borderline psychotic, his response is to eradicate Batman by forcing him to feel fear his victims do... which will drop Crane into deeper realms of madness.
 
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And this time, with Batman/Bruce losing the humanity aspect side his character and becoming more of the monster - his vision for a "perfect world" has come to pass.
Gotham is literally a crime-free city, as those who dare commit a crime, are fearful of their lives.
But, despite that, the police and the citizens of Gotham don't view Batman as a hero. So there will be those who will challenge that authority. Criminals that are brave enough to fight him and the police who will not tolerate his methods of control.

So, Bruce will have to learn the lesson that Vicki mentioned in B89 via their child, Terry.
"It doesn't have to be a perfect world."
 
It's sad how underrated Michael Gough as Alfred Pennyworth and Pat Hingle as Commissioner James Gordon are.
 
Young Superman said:
It's sad how underrated Michael Gough as Alfred Pennyworth and Pat Hingle as Commissioner James Gordon are.
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To be fair, Gordon barely did anything. And Alfred was a terrible butler.
"Trip Ms. Vale, we're gonna be here quite a while."
 
Am I the only one who really like the Batman 1989 chest emblem? I know a lot of folks don't like it because it does not match the one on the movie poster.
 
JLU Batman 1989 by Alexbadass on DeviantArt.
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Young Superman said:
Am I the only one who really like the Batman 1989 chest emblem? I know a lot of folks don't like it because it does not match the one on the movie poster.
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I adore it and as I have posted many times on the hype, enough to have it tattooed on me. It's actually my favorite Batman emblem.
 
DaRkVeNgeanCe said:
I adore it and as I have posted many times on the hype, enough to have it tattooed on me. It's actually my favorite Batman emblem.
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I agre it's brilliant, I think I like the Returns one slightly more but the one on this is fantastic too.

Also this is still my favourite Batman film :woot:
 
Young Superman said:
Am I the only one who really like the Batman 1989 chest emblem? I know a lot of folks don't like it because it does not match the one on the movie poster.
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Never cared for it much, and it had nothing to do with it not matching the marketing poster. It looks a bit over designed with the unnecessary extra prongs on it. The symbol on the poster just highlights in comparison how they needlessly changed it. One of the best changes they made to the sequel suit was giving that extra prong symbol the elbow in favor of that.
 
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Decepticonus said:
To be fair, Gordon barely did anything. And Alfred was a terrible butler.
"Trip Ms. Vale, we're gonna be here quite a while."
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I feel his Alfred was a great butler....and....he was a great substitute father. He didn't make a butlering mistake when he said they weren't going on a trip...he was doing a fatherly thing of letting the woman, that he felt and knew that Bruce needed, know that he was still around. Alfred knew that Bruce was going too far in shutting himself off from personal contacts and saw her as an opportunity to bring him back from the brink of (I can't think of the proper word I want at the moment, so let me say) insanity.
 
C. Lee said:
I feel his Alfred was a great butler....and....he was a great substitute father. He didn't make a butlering mistake when he said they weren't going on a trip...he was doing a fatherly thing of letting the woman, that he felt and knew that Bruce needed, know that he was still around. Alfred knew that Bruce was going too far in shutting himself off from personal contacts and saw her as an opportunity to bring him back from the brink of (I can't think of the proper word I want at the moment, so let me say) insanity.
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Very fine points and agree with you BUT I think all of that would work better if this was in the latter years of Batman's career. As far as we can tell in Batman here, he just started a month ago or so.
 
They always seem to nail Alfred casting
 
Decepticonus said:
Very fine points and agree with you BUT I think all of that would work better if this was in the latter years of Batman's career. As far as we can tell in Batman here, he just started a month ago or so.
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I don't think that's why Alfred even did it. He just genuinely messed up because he did not realize Bruce had told her some line about a trip. You can tell by the way he says it that he doesn't know what she means and just casually corrects her on it with a big friendly smile. All that did was to push Vicki away from Bruce because she was pissed at him that he lied to her. It was much later in the movie that Alfred convinced Bruce to go and see her and tell her he was Batman.

Which was fool hardy and stupid advice to give. They'd only been on one date. Because they slept together on it after a few bottles of wine didn't mean Vicki could be trusted with such huge secrets on such short acquaintanceship. Add to the fact that as you said Bruce had supposedly only been doing the Batman thing for a few weeks since the sightings of Batman in Gotham were stated to only been happening in just under a month, I don't know why Alfred was so worried Bruce was slipping into insanity on such short time. I mean he should have been showing this concern when Batman was blowing up factories full of crooks, and gunning down men in the street, those are actions of a lunatic. Not because he didn't want to tell a woman he barely knows a day that he was taking time off to go and visit where his parents were murdered.

As a Batman fan it was also something that didn't sit right with me because Alfred would never give Bruce such bad advice. He'd be the first to warn Bruce to think long and hard before he tells anyone his Batman secrets. Especially with women he barely knows. No matter how 'nice' they seem. Trust has to be earned. Vicki didn't do anything to warrant it yet.
 
Everything you said 100% and Alfred should be in on it, or be wise enough to get in on it.
Vicki brings up the trip
Alfred knows of no trip "Ahh yes our trip, we will get back to you after that"
and if they want to then show Alfred go confront Bruce about this lie, then sure.
 
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