The Official Batman Returns Thread - Part 2

[TylerHaslett]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJUFx4V9fEg

 

[The Joker]

I'd vote for him

 

[AnneFan]

I'd vote for him

I suppose you could say Bane is similar to Penguin in a way. He just doesn't go through with being a candidate/elections. Bane takes charge and imposes his policies.

 

[TylerHaslett]

would anyone happen to have any behind the scenes shots of the catwoman mask, or penquin makeup? Also, are there any shots like that in any batman returns making of books? like the penquin cover cinefex 92 issue?

 

[Dave McFly]

I have making of books for batman 89, returns, and forever, I will have to dig em out and see what they have and scan them if necessary .

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

would anyone happen to have any behind the scenes shots of the catwoman mask, or penquin makeup? Also, are there any shots like that in any batman returns making of books? like the penquin cover cinefex 92 issue?

 

[Hellion]

Its probably been 15+ years but I remember for a good few years after the film came out, one of the local stores had a making of book. I always regretted not picking it up,...well, since I was a kid, not asking for it...

 

[Brother Jack]

I suppose you could say Bane is similar to Penguin in a way. He just doesn't go through with being a candidate/elections. Bane takes charge and imposes his policies.

They also both live in the sewer. And probably had rough childhoods.

 

[Hellion]

I'd vote for him

I always like that poster, would love one to hang in the house...

...I also always liked that quick scene when they announce him running for mayor, showing the posters unroll around Gotham...

 

[Elevator Man]

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Great video. He seems to have a pretty good memory of how many molds, headpieces , costumes (for each character), etc that he made for BR. But I disagree with him about Keaton being in the batsuit 10% of the film. It's pretty obvious to me in a few scenes that he was in the costume more than 10% of the time. Burton confirmed it on the commentary saying Keaton performed most (or more of his fight scenes than in B89) of his fight scenes for BR. Keaton and his stunt doubles in the film would know the exact percentage of how much he was in the batsuit. I'm not saying Rob Burman doesn't know what he's talking about b/c he seems to have a vast knowledge of working on the costumes and such. Eventhough he did say the batsuit (excluding the neck and cape area) was easy to move in from the chest down. And though Keaton has stated the suit was easier to move in than the B89 batsuit. We know that's not true that the suit was "comfortable". Pfieffer also performed some of her fight scenes (especially the scenes dealing with the "whip") Anyways I just believe his percentage is waaaaaaaaaay off.

 

[AnneFan]

They also both live in the sewer. And probably had rough childhoods.

Yes, those too.

Its probably been 15+ years but I remember for a good few years after the film came out, one of the local stores had a making of book. I always regretted not picking it up,...well, since I was a kid, not asking for it...

That's a shame. You can always pick it up on Ebay or somewhere like that. It's a good book to have in your collection.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Great video thanks for posting!

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

 

[Mace Dolex]

^ Holy kickboxing skills, Batman!!

 

[AnneFan]

Wow - now there's a dead on comparison.

 

[El Payaso]

I have making of books for batman 89, returns, and forever, I will have to dig em out and see what they have and scan them if necessary .

It IS necessary.

 

[returntovoid]

Aside from the blonde hair, Pfeiffer had a resemblance to the Catwoman from the Golden and Bronze Age, Batman comic books.

 

[GothamAlleys]

Aside from the blonde hair, Pfeiffer had a resemblance to the Catwoman from the Golden and Bronze Age, Batman comic books.

Well, she was ocasionally blonde too in couple of early issues. There were claims that it was a printer error, but it happened multiple times so I dont know

The suit very much resembles the late 80s/early 90s suit

 

[returntovoid]

There were claims that it was a printer error

Bob Kane also claimed that Vicky Vale's red hair was a printing error.

According to Batman creator Bob Kane, Vale was supposed to be blond in the comics, and her hair came out red due to a coloring error in her first appearance.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096895/trivia

 

[returntovoid]

Christopher Reeve isn't the "real" Superman to me, but your post got me thinking about the live-action actors that personified the DC comic book characters the fullest in my opinion. Out of all of the live-action actors, George Reeves is the "real" Superman to me, and Michael Keaton is the "real" Batman to me. George Reeves captured Superman's charisma, confidence, aggressiveness, maturity, dedication to a never-ending battle for truth, justice and the American way. George Reeves captured both Superman's rugged and distinguished sides, authoritative fatherly figure, yet gentlemanly, and polite, and Clark Kent's coy, believably mild-mannered persona without acting bumbling and inept (Christopher Reeve's Kent). Christopher Reeve's Superman was none-aggressive, less enthusiastic and willing to give up his life as Superman to be with Lois Lane. Jason Kemp in Rear Window was Christopher Reeve’s best performance in my opinion. Kirk Alyn's Clark Kent was bumbling and his Superman was goofy, prancing and skipping around like a flea. Dean Cain lacked the mature presence and gravitas of Superman. Brandon Routh's Superman was a non-violent, sensitive, emasculated metrosexual, deadbeat dad, jealous peeping tom, soft spoken baby-faced pretty boy with brown hair wearing a spandex costume with low-riding short-shorts. Henry Cavill's Clark Kent is reportedly lonely, angst-ridden, not wanting to be Superman, and reluctantly grappling with whether or not he should become Superman.

Michael Keaton captured Batman's innate grimness, maturity, self-reliance, capability as a detective, inventor, mechanic, etc., displaying controlled calculating anger, intimidation, and Bruce Wayne's playboy persona and philanthropy without acting like a sterile saint (Adam West's Wayne, as is West's Batman) or a pompous jerk (Christian Bale's Wayne). Lewis Wilson lacked the distinction between Bruce Wayne and Batman's voices that Michael Keaton utilized so well. Over-weight Robert Lowery lacked Batman's fit figure, mobility and looked laughably ridiculous in costume. Val Kilmer's Bruce Wayne lacked the black hair and lacked the confidence of Bruce Wayne, as he displayed an uncomfortablity, awkwardness and was unsure of himself, and Kilmer's Batman spouted dialogue that is ridiculously out of character for Batman, "Chicks dig the car," "I'll get drive thru," etc. And getting over has parents death and deciding to quit being Batman to live as Bruce Wayne misses the driving force of the Batman character which is that he's avenging his parents by dedicated his life to warring on crime, and unlike Peter Parker, there is no looking to get out of it. As Keaton's Batman said in Batman, "This is something I have to do. This is how it is. It's not a perfect world." Also, Kilmer's Bruce Wayne says "I killed them", in Batman Forever, has a Uncle Ben guilt complex over his parents death. And Kilmer's Batman complains like a worried girlfriend after Robin just saved his life, "You could have gotten yourself killed!" George Clooney's Batman lacks any menace and Clooney's Bruce Wayne acts and speaks identical to his Batman, detached and bemused with a tendency to smile at somber moments. Christian Bale's Batman lacks Batman's detective skills, strategy skills, etc., while Cain's Alfred, Freeman's Lucius and Oldman's Gordon do a lot of the thinking for him. Patrick Bateman in American Psycho was Christian Bale's best performance in my opinion.

Lynda Carter is the "real" Wonder Woman to me. Lynda Carter captured Wonder Woman's strength, independence, security, self-reliance, nobility and upbeat personality. Lynda Carter captured Wonder Woman as the strong, noble, independent and secure female hero the character was created to be. She was a feminist icon and female role model. Adrianne Palicki's Wonder Woman is heartbroken, sad, mopey, self-pitying, she cries herself to sleep over her ex-boyfriend whom she has been broken up with for four years, which diminishes the character. Adrianne Palicki's Wonder Woman also throws a pipe through someone's throat and stabs him to a door and she tortures a guy for information while breaking his arm, while the lasso of truth is right there at her side. That brutality is completely contradictory to Wonder Woman's mission to bring the Amazon ideals of love and peace to the world of men. Adrianne Palicki's Wonder Woman is also a mega-billionaire, the chairman of Themyscira Industries licensing her image to dolls to make cash for herself. Too often in films and television we see women being portrayed as overly emotional drama-queens, over-reacting divas, breaking down and needing a strong, level-headed independent and secure man to save them. Wonder Woman was created to be a rebuke of that stereotype of women as weak and overly emotional.

Ryan Reynolds captured the humanity of Hal Jordan, the light-hearted humor, the ladies man aspect of Hal, Hal’s human foibles. Howard Murphy‘s portrayal of Hal Jordan in Legends of the Superheroes was completely campy and ridiculous.

Tom Tyler is the "real" Captain Marvel to me. Tom Tyler captured the child-like nature of Captain Marvel with the smile, the sense of having fun during his adventures. Jackson Bostwick and John Davey lacked that child-like quality of Captain Marvel that makes Captain Marvel so unique amongst superheroes.

Michelle Pfeiffer is the "real" Catwoman to me. Michelle Pfeiffer captured Catwoman's playful flirtation toward Batman, her love-hate relationship with Batman over her attraction to him and the conflict of her criminal activities, and the ambiguity of Catwoman being a villain but not being truly evil. Halle Berry's Catwoman isn't even Selina Kyle. Julie Newmar, Lee Meriwether and Eartha Kitt's Catwoman was a generic villainess trying to kill Batman and Robin in various death traps. Anne Hathaway’s Catwoman seems to hate Batman/Bruce Wayne for being rich, and hates rich people in general, as her dialogue suggests in the trailer.

Jack Nicholson is the "real" Joker to me. Jack Nicholson captured the Joker's vanity, theatrically, sense of style, chemistry ability. Killing people in stylish and theatrical ways with permanent smiles on their faces through his Joker venom (Smilex). Jack Nicholson captured Joker's style of arbitrary chaos, anarchist schemes with stylish theatricality, and wanting ridiculously vain things like his face on the one dollar bill (which is similar to wanting to copyright fish that look like his face in the comics (Detective Comics #475 (1977) "The Laughing Fish")). Cesar Romero's Joker was a goofy crook with a predilection for slapstick gags and Heath Ledger's Joker lacked the Joker's vanity, theatrically, sense of style, chemistry ability, he was just an anarchist killer in sloppy clown make up, not about killing with style.

Danny DeVito is the "real" Penguin to me. Danny DeVito captured the Penguin's murderous nature, his anger at being an outcast that was rejected by society, his dark humor, even his bird obsession, also his conning personality pretending to be high class and respectable as a front for his villainous activities. Burgess Meredith's Penguin was just a silly crook.

Aaron Eckhart captured the tragedy of Two-Face, the torn, internal struggle of the duality. Tommy Lee Jones' Two-Face lacked all of that and was just a silly giggling buffoon.

Couldn't agree more.

I was hoping Riddler would be the main villain in The Dark Knight Rises so a serious, cold, calculating live-action version could be seen by the general public in live-action, as John Glover's portrayal of the Riddler was in Batman: The Animated Series.

Exactly, Glover's portrayal was brilliant and it's disappointing that there has been no live-action portrayal of that caliber.

 

[ALP]

I have making of books for batman 89, returns, and forever, I will have to dig em out and see what they have and scan them if necessary .

I desperately recall a while back that a brand new making of book for Burton's Batman films was being produced. Haven't heard about it since...

 

[Mace Dolex]

I desperately recall a while back that a brand new making of book for Burton's Batman films was being produced. Haven't heard about it since...

Now that is something I'd really want to see especially for never before seen photos.

 

[TylerHaslett]

Thank you VERY much! these are perfect reference pictures

 

[Ponyboy]

Not sure if I posted this yet...

 

[Elevator Man]

Interview with Pfeiffer (promoting People Like Us) on The View. It's only five minutes b/c ABC didn't upload all of it to YT I guess they want people to watch the rest of it on their site. Check out the 2 minute mark. Very funny.

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