The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 3

[DarthSkywalker]

It's not like McGregor would challenge him to a strictly boxing match anyway. And if he did....he'd be in for a long night.

A boxing match would not result in a long night. It would be a one to two round destruction of McGregor that ended with him being knocked out cold.

 

[Doc Samson]

Lol well I was trying to give the man at least some respect, but yeah, it wouldn't be much of a contest. There's a reason why, usually when these types of matches happen, they take place in an Octagon and not a ring.

 

[second herald]

Khan doesn't have the discipline to NOT get drawn into a slug-fest.
He was beating Garcia before getting caught by a ridiculously wide punch?
Yeah, and??
No boxer with his amateur background and pro experience should be getting hit clean and finished by wide punches like that.
Sure Khan has fast hand but not so fast that he's causing top fighters to keep their hands at home.

Ever since Khan found his name was on the short list of potential Pac or Floyd opponents he has facing nothing but carefully chosen opponents and blatantly side stepping Kell Brook.

MMA guys like spouting Floyd's name when they are in front of the camera because Floyd has mainstream name recognition so just talking about him gets them some media face time.
Been that way for years.

 

[Silver Spider]

Everyone always brings up Khan winning early against Danny, but fights aren't won in the first two rounds. Garcia was getting closer and closer to Khan and was figuring out his timing. Amir fights in tenth gear at all times in his fights and you can't get away with that against top level fighters, no matter how fast you are.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah, Khan looks fine against lesser guys, but put in there with top level fighters he always seems to get "caught". That is not a mistake or coincidence. This is no different then Broner looking good against people he is bigger then and far less talented. Once confronted with a more even match, he folds.

 

[Silver Spider]

A little harsh, but basically true. I'm not a big Khan fan, but I appreciate his heart. He just doesn't have the chin to back up the mentally he fights with.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

A little harsh, but basically true. I'm not a big Khan fan, but I appreciate his heart. He just doesn't have the chin to back up the mentally he fights with.

I don't like Khan. The way he has chased the big money fights while running his mouth has turned me off completely. But I respect what a fighter can do in the ring. Khan has plenty of talent and doesn't give up, but yeah he doesn't have the chin or defense for how he fights.

 

[Silver Spider]

I don't like Khan. The way he has chased the big money fights while running his mouth has turned me off completely.

I used to atleast like to watch Khan fight, but what you mentioned turned me off as well. Didn't he give Mayweather a deadline to reach an agreement to fight with him, not too long ago?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I used to atleast like to watch Khan fight, but what you mentioned turned me off as well. Didn't he give Mayweather a deadline to reach an agreement to fight with him, not too long ago?

He did. I believe it was down to his religion, as he would be fasting at the time Floyd planned on fighting. Like Floyd would care about that.

 

[Silver Spider]

Even if that's the reason, he made himself look very bad trying to dictate terms with Floyd.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Even if that's the reason, he made himself look very bad trying to dictate terms with Floyd.

I agree. But I think it was more for he British media then anything. It why he associates himself with people he hasn't actually been close to fighting, while he avoids Brook.

 

[Doc Samson]

Everyone always brings up Khan winning early against Danny, but fights aren't won in the first two rounds. Garcia was getting closer and closer to Khan and was figuring out his timing. Amir fights in tenth gear at all times in his fights and you can't get away with that against top level fighters, no matter how fast you are.

I don't know about closer, but he was definitely getting dirty. I'm not sure if that was part of a ploy to get Khan into more of straight forward, brawling type of match, but that's what it did. Clearly, you could see his movement halt and his eagerness to stand and exchange with Garcia happen after multiple low blows. Before that, he was outboxing him with ease.

Recently though, he's been fighting at a more balanced tempo. All I'm saying is, when staying technical and using movement, he can be competitive with anyone.

Yeah, Khan looks fine against lesser guys, but put in there with top level fighters he always seems to get "caught". That is not a mistake or coincidence.

I guess that's my issue, because I'm not sure Brook is a "top level" fighter at all yet. Say what you will about Khan, but he's been in there with more talented fighters than Brook has. I actually like Shawn Porter to a certain degree, but he's not bringing the same things to the table that Khan would.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't disagree with your assessment of Brook, but my question then is why Khan running form him? Because he clearly is. Like I said before, I don't know who would win, but Khan is the one who obviously does not want the fight and hasn't had a relevant since losing to Peterson and Gracia. So close to 4 years now.

 

[Doc Samson]

I think Khan, like a lot of mid-tier boxers, is somewhat delusional of his own status. I believe he felt like Brook needed to prove himself more, while he was free to chase after Floyd & Manny.

Obviously I don't think Khan is in the position to put demands on anybody, but I also think he had a point. Brook hasn't really fought anybody of note outside of Porter IMO, but whether Khan is the grand prize he seems to view himself as, is probably inflated. Then again, we are talking about what would be a UK megafight. In those terms, maybe he does have enough clout to dictate....

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Khan is delusion, but he also knows his biggest calling card is being the #1 British guy. He loses to Brook, he is screwed. He isn't relevant anymore. His biggest problem now is though he isn't the #1 British guy anymore, and probably isn't even #2.

 

[Silver Spider]

I don't know about closer, but he was definitely getting dirty. I'm not sure if that was part of a ploy to get Khan into more of straight forward, brawling type of match, but that's what it did. Clearly, you could see his movement halt and his eagerness to stand and exchange with Garcia happen after multiple low blows. Before that, he was outboxing him with ease.

Recently though, he's been fighting at a more balanced tempo. All I'm saying is, when staying technical and using movement, he can be competitive with anyone.

Garcia throws body shots that tend to stray low; I don't know if he does it intentionally a la Trinidad, but it happens and it's just something you have to deal with in professional boxing.

But Khan was never toe to toe with Danny in that fight. He fought in his usual ambush style bouncing in and out and eventually he got timed. He did become more aggressive but that's just his mentally. He's an offensive minded fighter.

Khan's technical ability his overrated imo. His speed covers up a lot of sloppy footwork and his hand speed can overwhelm certain fighters.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The amount of pushing he had to do to make space against Peterson pretty much shows you how bad his footwork is.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Garcia/Guerrero is set for the WBC WW title. Winner faces Khan.

Let's see if Khan can live up to his own hype and avenge his loss vs Garcia (come on, we all know Garcia is winning this) or was just looking for a payday.

In fact, I don't think he beats Guerrero either.

 

[Docker2.0]

Yeah Garcia seems to have lost something. Ever since the Matthysee win, he just hasn't been the same.

Deontay Wilder fights this weekend................Unless there has been a secret handshake, I wouldn't be surprised if he lost. He has power but he really needs to work on his defense. He's the favorite but just not sold on him being a champion just yet.

 

[Doc Samson]

Garcia throws body shots that tend to stray low; I don't know if he does it intentionally a la Trinidad, but it happens and it's just something you have to deal with in professional boxing.

But Khan was never toe to toe with Danny in that fight. He fought in his usual ambush style bouncing in and out and eventually he got timed. He did become more aggressive but that's just his mentally. He's an offensive minded fighter.

Khan's technical ability his overrated imo. His speed covers up a lot of sloppy footwork and his hand speed can overwhelm certain fighters.

Dealing with low blows here and there is one thing, intentional and continual low blows are illegal for a reason. Khan did stop moving and started trying to exchange without setting anything up with the jab after about the third or fourth one. Once he got caught with the first big shot, he definitely got flat footed and tried to fight. He wasn't able or willing to clinch and recover.

By the way, I am by no means a huge Khan fan or anything, but I do respect his fight game more than most seem to. I'm just not willing to say Brook will walk through him by any stretch, but I suppose time may tell...

 

[Silver Spider]

Dealing with low blows here and there is one thing, intentional and continual low blows are illegal for a reason. Khan did stop moving and started trying to exchange without setting anything up with the jab after about the third or fourth one. Once he got caught with the first big shot, he definitely got flat footed and tried to fight. He wasn't able or willing to clinch and recover.

By the way, I am by no means a huge Khan fan or anything, but I do respect his fight game more than most seem to. I'm just not willing to say Brook will walk through him by any stretch, but I suppose time may tell...

Sorry, I thought you meant before the knock down. After the knockdown he did get very stubborn and tried to just go to war. But that doesn't change the fact that he got caught when he was still using a lot of movement. Khan gets caught sooner or later in a lot of his fights.

I'm not one hundred percent sure that Brook is just going to run through Khan, but I do feel confident in picking him. An overlooked advantage Brook has going into the fight is that he is the naturally bigger fighter. He's a true welterweight who has also fought above 147 multiple times, while Khan is arguably still growing into the weight.

 

[Silver Spider]

Yeah Garcia seems to have lost something. Ever since the Matthysee win, he just hasn't been the same.

Deontay Wilder fights this weekend................Unless there has been a secret handshake, I wouldn't be surprised if he lost. He has power but he really needs to work on his defense. He's the favorite but just not sold on him being a champion just yet.

I think it's at least partially a styles issue. Herrera and Peterson both arguably beat Danny with a spoiler kind of gameplan. Danny is very good against mid-range fighters who are going to come to him. Someone who is patient and stays on the end of their jab can keep him off balance and then step in to smother and out work him on the inside. Danny's style is all about timing and if you can throw it off, you can beat him.

Wilder really should win this fight. But when talking about a guy that beats Stiverne and then struggles with Eric Molina, you never know what he's going to look like.

 

[Docker2.0]

I think it's at least partially a styles issue. Herrera and Peterson both arguably beat Danny with a spoiler kind of gameplan. Danny is very good against mid-range fighters who are going to come to him. Someone who is patient and stays on the end of their jab can keep him off balance and then step in to smother and out work him on the inside. Danny's style is all about timing and if you can throw it off, you can beat him.

Wilder really should win this fight. But when talking about a guy that beats Stiverne and then struggles with Eric Molina, you never know what he's going to look like.

I know he's the favorite, but I just wouldn't be surprised if he lost. I guess it's good since he's going up in competition but I just think he really needs to change his team and work on his defense, especially with his chin being suspect. He relies way to much on power but what happens the day he gets in the ring with someone who can take a punch and he can't get them out of there? He's lucky Stiverne wasn't taller than what he was because he would have had more problems than he realized.

 

[Docker2.0]

Wilder surprised me tonight! I didn't think he would win honestly.

But Tyson Fury stole the show! Dude has a career in WWE once his boxing career is done. He totally pulled off the heel role tonight.

 

[Fallen Angel]

You're a bum, Docker.