The Official Choose A Director Thread

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think two years ago before Speed Racer I might not have felt this way, but now...I don't get it.

Pre Matrix sequels I would have been jumping for joy at the prospect. I know you don't like the first Matrix so you probably wouldn't have felt as happy as I would have.

With a good script and W.B. in charge of casting, we will get a good movie as well.

I don't know about all that, they did sign off on Superman Returns.

 

[Double Down]

If it was just Speed Racer, it would be one thing. But it's also those two terrible Matrix sequels.

 

[Excel]

If the Wachowskis do Superman, they will not have nearly as much creative control as they had on the Matrix sequels or Speed Racer.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yay, I'm so happy that we have something to talk about again!

 

[Showtime]

Superman Returns made money, it was just on the lower scale.

Businesses don't run on just making money, they run on making PROFIT.

 

[Excel]

I don't know about all that, they did sign off on Superman Returns.

Superman Returns was an excellent script that screwed over by the director and editors. Not my dream mind you, but the character arcs were excellent. Much of the action was taken out after it was approved due to budget reasons.

 

[Excel]

Businesses don't run on just making money, they run on making PROFIT.

They did make a profit, just a small one, which is why we have the case we have here. They know theres a ton of unused potential in this franchise which is why they are turning to a team like the Wachowskis, who will give them the most marketable movie (based on matiriel only) since Episode 1 or Matrix Reloaded.

Wachowskis superman is MONEY SHOTS GALORE. If they get the right actors and release date, records could fall. Its essentially the same formula that got W.B. Batman back in 1989.

 

[Showtime]

Superman Returns was an excellent script that screwed over by the director and editors. Not my dream mind you, but the character arcs were excellent. Much of the action was taken out after it was approved due to budget reasons.

Singer basically wrote the script, so he screwed himself over.

 

[Showtime]

They did make a profit, just a small one, which is why we have the case we have here. They know theres a ton of unused potential in this franchise which is whythey are turning to a team like the Wachowskis, who will give them the most marketable movie since Episode 1.

Right, it made a profit after it was all said and done, a small one. Speed Racer has yet to make one. What am I missing.

 

[Excel]

Right, it made a profit after it was all said and done, a small one. Speed Racer has yet to make one. What am I missing.

Speed Racer wouldnt have made a profit if Spielberg had made it. W.B. wanted alive action cartoon, it was always going to be. Superman is not like that at all.

 

[Excel]

Singer basically wrote the script, so he screwed himself over.

Yes, but Singers approved script featured a lot more rescues, tidal waves, collapsing bridges, flooding subways and fying trains. A lot more exciting than we got.

The rescue sequence money was all spent on the bullet in eye shot. Tidal wave replaced with mild Earthquake, collapsing brige replaced with plummeting globe, flooding subway replaced with firery sewer, and flying train replaced with falling sign.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Superman Returns was an excellent script that screwed over by the director and editors. Not my dream mind you, but the character arcs were excellent. Much of the action was taken out after it was approved due to budget reasons.

Did the script have a Superfight/Supervillain and a completely serious Lex Luthor who didn't allow some dumb dame in his crew? Did it have Supes saying goodbye to Lois and the world before he left? Did it have have Superman use a Super condom before he had sex with Lois so that their would be no chance of leaving a kid behind in case Humans and Kryptonians can mate?

I'm sure the script was professionally writen but I can't see how it would change my mind about the plot points and rehashed storyline.

 

[Showtime]

Speed Racer wouldnt have made a profit if Spielberg had made it. W.B. wanted alive action cartoon, it was always going to be. Superman is not like that at all.

Excel, you keep saying Superman will make money because it is Superman but my biggest evidence that crushes any point you make is Superman Returns.

If that was the case they should have gotten it off the ground in 2007 and started moving towards another Superman movie, director wouldn't matter, because it is Superman.

Yes, but Singers approved script featured a lot more rescues, tidal waves, collapsing bridges, flooding subways and fying trains. A lot more exciting than we got.

The rescue sequence money was all spent on the bullet in eye shot. Tidal wave replaced with mild Earthquake, collapsing brige replaced with plummeting globe, flooding subway replaced with firery sewer, and flying train replaced with falling sign.

Right. Singer screwed himself, not the other way around. He was the one who was not using the budget in the correct manner, that is a directors responsibility.

 

[Nightwing1977]

I just don't really consider this an upgrade at this point. I would rather have Campbell directing Superman at this point and leave the W's to their Plastic Man. I guess we'll see how true this rumor really is.

Same here. I wouldn't mind Campbell directing since he did a great job with Casino Royale & I admit to quite liking Goldeneye. It would be great if he work with Routh. I know he wanted someone else for Bond in CR, but the bosses made him go with Craig & I'm glad he obliged.

Yay, I'm so happy that we have something to talk about again!

And we will have more war again soon. Exciting, isn't it?

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea interesting developments, i dont know what i would think of the bros did take over the reigns. Though hopefully things will get moving in the best direction sooner rather then later.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Same here. I wouldn't mind Campbell directing since he did a great job with Casino Royale & I admit to quite liking Goldeneye. It would be great if he work with Routh. I know he wanted someone else for Bond in CR, but the bosses made him go with Craig & I'm glad he obliged.



And we will have more war again soon. Exciting, isn't it?

You are terrible...And thats why I like you.

 

[Octoberist]

Yes, but Singers approved script featured a lot more rescues, tidal waves, collapsing bridges, flooding subways and fying trains. A lot more exciting than we got.

The rescue sequence money was all spent on the bullet in eye shot. Tidal wave replaced with mild Earthquake, collapsing brige replaced with plummeting globe, flooding subway replaced with firery sewer, and flying train replaced with falling sign.

no way. are you serious? Where did you get the info from?

 

[Showtime]

The bullet to the eye sequence including the bank robbery cost 2.3 million, the rescue sequence that was planned would have cost much more. No idea where Excel comes up with this stuff.

 

[Excel]

Excel, you keep saying Superman will make money because it is Superman but my biggest evidence that crushes any point you make is Superman Returns.

Superman Returns MADE money.

It just failed to maximize the brand names potential. It was a bomb like the 2 hulk movies, but it was not a smash either. It was in the middle. Right now, with Batman franchise hotter than hell, 3 more masive harry potter movies and 2 hobbit movies on the way, all 5 which are locks for 800 million world wide, W.B. feel like they can take a chance to go for another home run hit with Superman. No more middle ground like SR. This is not the same W.B. that ran the show in 2006.

It starts at the very basic question: HOW do you make the next Superman movie an EVENT? It all starts with the basic money shots that SR totally lacked, and thats what the Wachowskis will give them.

If that was the case they should have gotten it off the ground in 2007 and started moving towards another Superman movie, director wouldn't matter, because it is Superman.

Like I said. W.B. are in a position where they do not have to rush. They arent FOX who has nothing left. Superman has the possibility to be the grand daddy of all the ones they have. They played safe with SR, trying ti simply start a franchise like they did with BB. If they go with a director like W's they are going for the grand slam if you catch my drift, they'll want a collosal hype machine for a franchise starter ala Spidey 1 or Transformers. Thats what they wanted in 2002, but were so desperate to get it off the ground they took whatever Singer would do as long as they got him.

 

[Superark]

It is so hard for me to wrap my head around WB giving these guys the keys to the car for Superman after what just happened with Speed Racer. Superman Returns made money in the end, but it took them some time. Now WB is going to turn to "The W's" who just made Speed Racer which is still trying to break even. Yikes. I'm not a fan.

I just don't really consider this an upgrade at this point. I would rather have Campbell directing Superman at this point and leave the W's to their Plastic Man. I guess we'll see how true this rumor really is.

I'm in total 100% agreement with you Showtime! I don't get this at all, not one bit.

It's like handing over the keys to M. Knight Shyamalan. The guy may be a huge Superman fan, but he has not had a hit since Signs and makes crap movies now.

The W. Brothers are such a risk IMO.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

The problem with the Wachowski rumor is they delivered a massive flop with Speed Racer.

And WB is said to keep a very close eye on the next Superman film - i.e. no more writing blank-checks to a director and letting em go nuts.

After they lost money on Racer (a film I liked, for the record), I seriously can't see them handing the keys to the Superman franchise over to them.

 

[Excel]

No it wouldn't. The rescue sequences was Superman stopping a robbery in a deli, saving some stranded mountain climbers, and saving a boat caught in a storm. That was the original plan for the directors mouth himself. But, they opted to go with the one robbery scene instead.

no way. are you serious? Where did you get the info from?

Its from a Bryan Singer interview where he defended the films budget, he was referring to the budget they had to do.

 

[Showtime]

Superman Returns MADE money.

It just failed to maximize the brand names potential. It was a bomb like the 2 hulk movies, but it was not a smash either. It was in the middle. Right now, with Batman franchise hotter than hell, 3 more masive harry potter movies and 2 hobbit movies on the way, all 5 which are locks for 800 million world wide, W.B. feel like they can take a chance to go for another home run hit with Superman. No more middle ground like SR. This is not the same W.B. that ran the show in 2006.

I didn't say that Superman Returns didn't make money, but WB thought that Superman would be huge just because it was Superman, this wasn't the case. You're saying it is still the case and with the Wackowskis at the helm it will make money because it is Superman.

It starts at the very basic question: HOW do you make the next Superman movie an EVENT? It all starts with the basic money shots that SR totally lacked, and thats what the Wachowskis will give them.

Well right now the Whachowskis aren't giving them anything because so far it is just a rumor, and how you can guarantee that after what you are calling 3 straight bombs by the W's is scary.

Like I said. W.B. are in a position where they do not have to rush. They arent FOX who has nothing left. Superman has the possibility to be the grand daddy of all the ones they have. They played safe with SR, trying ti simply start a franchise like they did with BB. If they go with a director like W's they are going for the grand slam if you catch my drift, they'll want a collosal hype machine for a franchise starter ala Spidey 1 or Transformers. Thats what they wanted in 2002, but were so desperate to get it off the ground they took whatever Singer would do as long as they got him.

...and you are happy with them giving the grand daddy of all the ones they have to the W BroSis?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The problem with the Wachowski rumor is they delivered a massive flop with Speed Racer.

And WB is said to keep a very close eye on the next Superman film - i.e. no more writing blank-checks to a director and letting em go nuts.

After they lost money on Racer (a film I liked, for the record), I seriously can't see them handing the keys to the Superman franchise over to them.

Studios have done stranger things but I am having trouble swallowing this rumor for that very reason. Speed Racer wasn't just a bomb, it was a mega bomb.

 

[Showtime]

No it wouldn't. The rescue sequences was Superman stopping a robbery in a deli, saving some stranded mountain climbers, and saving a boat caught in a storm. That was the original plan for the directors mouth himself. But, they opted to go with the one robbery scene instead.



Its from a Bryan Singer interview where he defended the films budget, he was referring to the budget they had to do.

...its because Singer spent the budget in other places like cornfields. Singer was given a budget, wasted it in the wrong places then couldn't deliver the original sequences. It's pretty cut and dry.