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Now I wouldn't go as far as to say Birthright is the perfect origin, but it has some elements that I'd love to see mixed with the Man o' Steel origin. Especially Soul-vision!!! j/k

I'm just going to make the argument that everyone knew Batman's origin, and that went pretty well recently. Superman is no different. An origin story doesn't have to take over a movie, but it's good to give more detail to the characters backgrounds.
 
Now I wouldn't go as far as to say Birthright is the perfect origin, but it has some elements that I'd love to see mixed with the Man o' Steel origin. Especially Soul-vision!!! j/k

I'm just going to make the argument that everyone knew Batman's origin, and that went pretty well recently. Superman is no different. An origin story doesn't have to take over a movie, but it's good to give more detail to the characters backgrounds.
But with Batman it's different. Only comics fans really know the ins and outs of his origin. Most folks just know his parents were killed, that made him angry, and so he dresses like a flying rodent and fights clowns and catwomen.

Not to mention Batman's life between 8 and coming back to Gotham at 25 has always been kinda vague. BB made a whole new story out of it. Whereas Superman's origin, everyone has seen it. And every one is basically the same. As good as birthright is, anyone who's seen Smallville and the Donner movie knows 75% of the story rght there. It's been done to death.

They certainly could do a lot worse, but I still say just go for a Incredible Hulk style reboot. Everyone knows who Superman is, what he's about, knows Lois Lane, Lex Luthor, Metropolis, etc...Just hit the ground running in the next movie. And make Braniac or Darkseid the villain so Supes will have things to do other than lifting heavy **** and flying around all lovey dovey with Lois....make it a big time action spectacle. The one thing we haven't gotten from a Superman movie yet, IMO. They've developed the characters till the cows came home and got sent off to the slaughter house. Now it's time for some payoff. Lets see some seriously kickass set pieces and super-powered fist fights! :super:
 
yea i agree tih style reboot would probably be a good way to go about covering his origin again. We can have bits show in opening credits and through flashbacks during the film its self. Then we start off the film with him as supes already for a short time, and see lex and lois and move on to whats going on with them. Or start with his first day at the planet and when lex gets angery with supes and all that.
 
But with Batman it's different. Only comics fans really know the ins and outs of his origin. Most folks just know his parents were killed, that made him angry, and so he dresses like a flying rodent and fights clowns and catwomen.

Not to mention Batman's life between 8 and coming back to Gotham at 25 has always been kinda vague. BB made a whole new story out of it. Whereas Superman's origin, everyone has seen it. And every one is basically the same. As good as birthright is, anyone who's seen Smallville and the Donner movie knows 75% of the story rght there. It's been done to death.

They certainly could do a lot worse, but I still say just go for a Incredible Hulk style reboot. Everyone knows who Superman is, what he's about, knows Lois Lane, Lex Luthor, Metropolis, etc...Just hit the ground running in the next movie. And make Braniac or Darkseid the villain so Supes will have things to do other than lifting heavy **** and flying around all lovey dovey with Lois....make it a big time action spectacle. The one thing we haven't gotten from a Superman movie yet, IMO. They've developed the characters till the cows came home and got sent off to the slaughter house. Now it's time for some payoff. Lets see some seriously kickass set pieces and super-powered fist fights! :super:

The thing is, most people DON'T know Superman's origins. That's the biggest misconception I've heard around the internet. People don't know who "Kal El" and "Jor El" even are, even if they DID see Returns. I've been asked numerous times, "if Kryptonite is pieces from his home planet, why does it kill him?"
I usually respond by hitting these people in the face.
People know he's alien. They probably know his planet exploded. They may know about Smallville because they've heard about it.
Most people haven't seen the Donner Superman. Most people don't watch Smallville.
The same argument really could have been made for Batman. Your argument was that "the whole period from when Batman was 8 to when he was 25" had never been seen, which is true, but the same could be said for Superman. You have birth, smallville, Superman, typically. Donner's version conveniently 'skipped' this era as Clark was 'training' (a convention I hope is not repeated). But Birthright shows this era in one of the greatest Superman stories I've ever read. His experiences in Africa provide a great beginning to Superman.
Though, I'm not opposed to having a story that jumps right into it, where the characters are established. I'll say my pros and cons here, to using an origin story vs. jumping right in.
Pros:
-Shows Jor El and Lara, important pieces of Superman that people know squat about.
-Reestablishes Krypton, so it isn't a giant icicle.
-Gives the opportunity to introduce a Kryptonian villain(s) (Zod, Brainiac if you like TAS version) that can be used later (I'd prefer Brainiac)
-I want to see that Africa storyline on screen.

Cons:
-An origin story might cut back on action.
-It's hard to have an origin story without having Luthor as the main villain. Sure, he can be involved in a powerful villain (Metallo might be best), but people are still a little tired of Luthor's shennanigans.
-Darkseid/Brainiac might be too big to use in an origin story, and these two villains really need to be used at some point.
-While most people don't know, it will be somewhat rehashed to anyone who knows anything about Superman.

Honestly, I just WB to get their stuff together and deliver us the Superman movie we deserve. I enjoyed Returns, but it probably wasn't what we needed. (We needed an origin story then, to be honest). As long as it's a great Superman story, I won't mind whether it's origin or not. I agree he needs someone to fight, in a bad way. I've also heard people think that Lex is his only enemy. [sigh]....
Just give us a movie.
 
Besides the fact I've yet to meet someone who hasn't seen S:TM, you can't deny it has been done to death. The comics, S:TM, the 50's show, STAS, Lois & Clark, Smallville...I don't know what simple/living under a rock folks you've met, but people know this stuff from one of these incarnations. Maybe not as well as we do, they might forget little things (and let's face it, the name of his parents is a small thing) but I've never met anybody who would ask "Why does kryptonite kill him?" (another small/pointless issue) They either know already or just accept that it does and move on.

While I'm not totally against another origin, in fact after thinking about it I'm actually kind of for a total, complete, throw all the old **** out the window reboot, I don't think it's neccessary from the angle of informing people. If you have a great story to tell and want to set a solid foundation for the franchise into the future, then by all means. But doing it just because you think people are stupid and have the memory of an alzheimer's patient? Please...move on.

Superman's origin has been seen/heard/read more times than I would even care to begin counting. They know. People got the memo.

Bring a truly good Superman film out and they will come, and I know I'll be happy. Origin or not.
 
good points and like daredevil said yes there is people who may not know all the details about supes but even most common folks know the small details of he is an alien from a doomed planet and becomes the earth's greastest hero...... Hopefully the next film will get the get protrayed alot better then what SR did.
 
Besides the fact I've yet to meet someone who hasn't seen S:TM, you can't deny it has been done to death. The comics, S:TM, the 50's show, STAS, Lois & Clark, Smallville...I don't know what simple/living under a rock folks you've met, but people know this stuff from one of these incarnations. Maybe not as well as we do, they might forget little things (and let's face it, the name of his parents is a small thing) but I've never met anybody who would ask "Why does kryptonite kill him?" (another small/pointless issue) They either know already or just accept that it does and move on.

While I'm not totally against another origin, in fact after thinking about it I'm actually kind of for a total, complete, throw all the old **** out the window reboot, I don't think it's neccessary from the angle of informing people. If you have a great story to tell and want to set a solid foundation for the franchise into the future, then by all means. But doing it just because you think people are stupid and have the memory of an alzheimer's patient? Please...move on.

Superman's origin has been seen/heard/read more times than I would even care to begin counting. They know. People got the memo.

Bring a truly good Superman film out and they will come, and I know I'll be happy. Origin or not.

While I don't think the things you said were small and pointless are so (the fact that his homeworld kills him is tragically ironic, and people should understand that. And his parents are great characters with a tragic story of their own, and help Kal El become who he was supposed to be), I do agree with you. Most people know the basic story, but you would be surprised at how little is known. And the 'simple' folks I've met are people who don't watch Smallville, didn't watch the animated series, and who's only medium to Superman is movies, specifically Superman returns because they won't watch old classics. I suppose older fans will know the ins and outs, or at least the basics, but the younger audience is fairly ignorant.
However, I was never claiming that they should do an origin story to inform people, only that people weren't inform. I think they could do an origin story because it is a fantastic one, and could be used to make a great movie. I also think they could do a movie that jumps right into it and it could be great as well. I just want to see a good Superman movie, origin or not, my only point is that an origin story would not be a rehash for as many people as you would think.
Also I think it could be nice because, as you say, it throws all the old stuff out the window and gives us a fresh start, which is something the character might need.
 
They can show us parts of the origin that were never seen on the big screen before, just as Nolan did in BB, I think Waid's Birthright does this well in the comics...as long as there is something that was never seen on film before, both fanboys and the general audience new to the franchise will be happy...what I would personally like to see most is the time between Clark leaving Smallville and showing up in Metropolis as Superman. I think that would be the most interesting, and also the movie makers have some room to be creative since this part of Clark Kent's/Superman's life is not "set in stone." Could be interesting.
 
yea the next film if its a total reboot can handle the whole origin bits in a matter of different ways. So i am not to worried untill we know what the heck we are actually getting, who is directing/writting the project and then the cast.
 
If the rumor was Wachowki's adapting \S/uperman: Birthright
I voted It would make me even less interested in them taking over the franchise
I'd also set up a tent to give support to all Superman fans out there. The ones that hadn't commit suicide by then yet
 
While I don't think the things you said were small and pointless are so (the fact that his homeworld kills him is tragically ironic, and people should understand that. And his parents are great characters with a tragic story of their own, and help Kal El become who he was supposed to be), I do agree with you. Most people know the basic story, but you would be surprised at how little is known. And the 'simple' folks I've met are people who don't watch Smallville, didn't watch the animated series, and who's only medium to Superman is movies, specifically Superman returns because they won't watch old classics. I suppose older fans will know the ins and outs, or at least the basics, but the younger audience is fairly ignorant.
However, I was never claiming that they should do an origin story to inform people, only that people weren't inform. I think they could do an origin story because it is a fantastic one, and could be used to make a great movie. I also think they could do a movie that jumps right into it and it could be great as well. I just want to see a good Superman movie, origin or not, my only point is that an origin story would not be a rehash for as many people as you would think.
Also I think it could be nice because, as you say, it throws all the old stuff out the window and gives us a fresh start, which is something the character might need.
Well the parents thing is where we disagree. I believe the Kents are far more influential, but whatever. For the most part I agree.
 
Well the parents thing is where we disagree. I believe the Kents are far more influential, but whatever. For the most part I agree.

Oh the Kents are far more influential. I'm sorry I didn't mean to propagate that.
And I suppose, when it comes to his natural parents, their importance depends on how the writers want to use them. I prefer that Jor El be an important part of his son's life through the fortress of solitude, as in Smallville, the original movies, and SR. However, in Birthright and the Animated series, their importance is significantly downplayed, and I liked those stories too, obviously, since Birthright is one of my favorite stories and I think TAS was more on track than any other show/movie so far.
I guess for some reason I've always been fascinated by Jor El, since Marlon Brando's eloquent speeches are so amazing and the first episode of the Animated Series is one of my favorites and it doesn't even have Superman in it...
I'd like to see them, but of course if the movie is great without them, I won't mind.
 
If there is a set of "parents" that need to be fleshed out more in the next movie, it is definitely the Kents. Both done well in Mark Waid's Birthright and Jeph Loeb's Superman For All Seasons. Plus, in an effort to make Superman more sympathetic and more "human" it is the Kents that need to be more apart of the story because the audience can relate to Clark more knowing his more human/humble side, represented by the Kents. I would like to see the Kents be kinda scared of the future with Clark, not really knowing what he is or if anyone is going to be looking for him. Mr. Kent's line in Superman For All Seasons when he says, "What exactly are we dealing with here?" in referring to Clark is very powerful. Plus it would be fun to see some scenes raising a 'super baby' I would rather see this mythos of Superman explored more thoroughly than the Kryptonian parents if I had to choose, other than maybe having them sending Kal-El to Earth being the the last act of true love on Krypton. Maybe show that Jor-El is a heroic/royal character with compassion from Krypton - showing that Superman does indeed come from a lineage of good people. Other than that, I don't really want to see much of Krypton unless it is intricate in the origin of the featured villain in the film...I would like to see a more realistic/human approach to Superman as much as possible... all the great heroes (Jesus, Hercules, Luke Skywalker, Superman) have a "godly" lineage/origin but are raised by humble/peasant people...creating a future great hero of the people...that is what needs to be represented well in the new movie...
 
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I really liked Birthright sans soul vision. I also liked the Donner, STAS, and Byrne origins.

We dont need another origin story though. Let Singer make Returns 2.
 
I was going to come in here and defend Schumacher as a director some more...but alas, if you can't beat them, join them:

...If Joel Shumacher directed Superman, Tom Welling would've played big blue

Ba Da Tss!

:cwink:
 
We may not need another orgin but we do need a fresh version of Superman on the bigscreen. Singer has proven that he doesn't want to or cant do that so I'd say no Zod sequels.

Ofcourse Singer is unlikely to come back, with WB picking the screenwriters and taking more control so I'm pretty sure my wish is granted.
 
^^ Probably the same thing that happened with Santa; we found out he doesn't really exist.
 
Millar seems to have been talking out of his ass... I think he's let the success of Wanted, one movie that didnt even stay true to his story, get to his head.
 

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