The Official Choose A Director Thread

[Angeloz]

Someone replaced Neo in a flight sequence with Superman. It's really short so I encourage you to watch it.

Saw it 'cos you convinced me. I like the actor and it is a cute clip.

Will there be darkness complaints?

Angeloz

 

[FlawlessVictory]

^Do you have an eye winking quota you have to meet a month?

 

[Excel]

I think the budget will depend. W.B. is the least cheap studio in the world (they just gave the w bros 180 million for speed racer). Cheaping out on Supes would be a huge mistake and I doubt they do it. I say they will pay top dollar if its for the film THEY want, and not the nessecarily the one the director wants.

 

[SuperAdam]

I am very interested in this news. I think this is what Mark Millar was talking about a few months ago. How he was pitching an idea for a trilogy with a big name director. The pieces certainly fit. Singer had his chance, and ****ed it up. He tried to simultaneously make a Donner Superman movie, and change things about the character that you should not change. I'm hoping for a Wachowski directed Millar written Superman trilogy.

 

[Angeloz]

^Do you have an eye winking quota you have to meet a month?

Yep.

Seriously I use them to indicate I'm kidding generally speaking.

I think the budget will depend. W.B. is the least cheap studio in the world (they just gave the w bros 180 million for speed racer). Cheaping out on Supes would be a huge mistake and I doubt they do it. I say they will pay top dollar if its for the film THEY want, and not the nessecarily the one the director wants.

They don't know what they want. They never have. Except the making money part. That's one of their problems.

Angeloz

 

[Daredevil_2003]

It's very nice looking but is the message Darth Superman? If so, it needs breathing apparatus.

lol yah, like I said it definitely needs the traditional blue and gold there but it's a step in the right direction, colors or lack thereof not counted. Although I am really lovin that shade of red for the cape...

I wouldn't object to more lighting for the next one. I loved the story but I'm weird that way. I just want to care about him and what's happening in his world.

Angeloz

I loved the story too. I thought it was very well written and well executed by the cast, it was just the utter lack of action that makes it so underwhelming.

I don't think a superhero story needs a lot action to be good, but a movie definitely does, both for the ADD general populace and, in my own personal taste, because these movies are an event that only happens at least every 2 years. It's not a monthly comic that you can spend forever developing characters and plot threads on.

You gotta have some **** blowing up.

Michael Bay gets this very well

Even Chris Nolan, a guy who's into the artsy aspects of storytelling just as much as Singer (and better at it, but that's another topic) gets it.

The set pieces in TDK were more numerous and better done than SR, and that movie actually had a more involving plot at the same time. Not gonna bang the Bat drum all day, just citing the example.

SR just needed more action, and maybe even (God forbid) a Metallo or a Parasite or even a guy in a mech to actually fight instead of just lifting heavy **** for 2 and half hours.

 

[dark_b]

I think the budget will depend. W.B. is the least cheap studio in the world (they just gave the w bros 180 million for speed racer). Cheaping out on Supes would be a huge mistake and I doubt they do it. I say they will pay top dollar if its for the film THEY want, and not the nessecarily the one the director wants.

i think 150 millions is enough foro an action packed superman movie.

200 milliosn was to much. i mean i wouldnt even give spielberg or bay so much money. some directors think that more is better. 200 will noone ever get. but 150 is possible IMO. if they go lower then i expect good action but a little more fake.

they should use ILM or WETTA. why? i will tell you why. wetta is now more then a 1 with james cameron in post production. wetta in 1 year learned more then sony imageworks in the last 5 years. why? becaue Cameron demans groundbreaking effect.s they can not use normal software. they have to do something new every month. they even did something new for cloth simulation. and i thought pixar perfected it. i guess no.
plus we have ILM that did some groundbreaking work on TF for building demolition. milions of particles. something that superman needs. plus they have good lighting experts. again something that an action CGI double needs.
sony is good IMO. but why not go to the best for the same amount of money?
and please use a lot of greenscreen. not for a sin city,300 effect.s not for a sky captain effect. but because it cheaper. that doesnt mean that they should film on greenscreen when someone is brushing their teeth. but dear lord singer was spending money for real cornfields then months later they had toreplace it with CGI cornfields because the real ones were not big enough.
greenscreen where you need it and where it cheaper.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

I think that 200 million is a fine budget for a sequel or a film that's pretty much a guaranteed blockbuster.

You need a better director, though. Singer seems like a guy that doesn't know how to handle money efficiently. The budget for SR was supposedly a little over 200 mill...where the hell did all that money go? No movie with so little action and the required large amount of effects should cost that much. Transformers 2? Yeah, definitely needs a lot of dough to make the ridiculous amount of effects look real, but Superman Returns? And if you are gonna blow that much, the effects should look better than they did, at least. What a waste of Benjamins, that movie was...

 

[dark_b]

Benjamin used a lot of a times a photosrealistic 100% CGI brad pitt head. when you do something the first time its expensive.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

when you do something the first time its expensive.

True, but I don't see how it relates to Superman. Flying effects and explosions and photorealistic enviroments/characters have been done before. Plenty. I say it's poor management of the budget on the film crew's part...

 

[dark_b]

sorry when you said Benjamins i thought you meant The Curious Case of Benjamin Button. i guess you meant benjamin for money?

 

[GreenKToo]

yup, as in 100 dollar bills.

 

[Superfreak]

Yeah, well, Speed wasn't their character either and it still blew hard.

I like the SL suit in this concept:

I'd go for a more traditional color scheme, but that's still a step in the right direction, IMO.

I thought the movie looked great. The problem was more the dull story line.

I saw this maniped into blue and red, and it looked quite good. But I think it was because the artistry ended up looking like rippling muscles when in blue.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

sorry when you said Benjamins i thought you meant The Curious Case of Benjamin Button. i guess you meant benjamin for money?

lol Yes, sorry for the confusion/

 

[Angeloz]

Then there's those of us that aren't from the U.S.A. although I know the term.

Angeloz

 

[Nightwing1977]

My only gripe with the Matrix was their over-reliance on CGi, hopefully they go for more live action if they end up being involved in the next Superman flick.

That what I'm afraid of. I want Superman film to only have CGI when a simple F/X won't cut it. Nolan didn't use a lot of CGI with how he prefer to make his Batman films look as real as possible. I want the same for Superman & it can be cheaper too. Beside, some fans complain about Superman being CGI few times in SR when it would've been cheaper to use more of Routh instead. The W. Bros would go overboard with too much CGI as we seen in Speed Racer.

 

[GreenKToo]

I dont mind CG when it's good. There is no reason to CG a flying shot of Superman up close. Thats wasteful imo, not to mention just silly.

 

[bunk]

That what I'm afraid of. I want Superman film to only have CGI when a simple F/X won't cut it. Nolan didn't use a lot of CGI with how he prefer to make his Batman films look as real as possible. I want the same for Superman & it can be cheaper too. Beside, some fans complain about Superman being CGI few times in SR when it would've been cheaper to use more of Routh instead. The W. Bros would go overboard with too much CGI as we seen in Speed Racer.

I agree about the W's being very into CGI use. I wouldn't say because Nolan saved the CGI mostly for backgrounds that it's somehow possible to do the same with Superman. The characters are completely different. There should be perfectly reasonable middle ground somewhere in there with another director. I'm not convinced the W's could deliver it though.

 

[Sam]

I've been wanting to find this image with no success! Thanks for posting it! And that was awesome to watch in the theaters. The Superman fan inside me giggled.

Np! Glad u like it!

 

[Daredevil_2003]

That what I'm afraid of. I want Superman film to only have CGI when a simple F/X won't cut it. Nolan didn't use a lot of CGI with how he prefer to make his Batman films look as real as possible. I want the same for Superman & it can be cheaper too. Beside, some fans complain about Superman being CGI few times in SR when it would've been cheaper to use more of Routh instead. The W. Bros would go overboard with too much CGI as we seen in Speed Racer.

I agree 100%.

 

[dark_b]

That what I'm afraid of. I want Superman film to only have CGI when a simple F/X won't cut it. Nolan didn't use a lot of CGI with how he prefer to make his Batman films look as real as possible. I want the same for Superman & it can be cheaper too. Beside, some fans complain about Superman being CGI few times in SR when it would've been cheaper to use more of Routh instead. The W. Bros would go overboard with too much CGI as we seen in Speed Racer.

really this is really getting out of hand. so everytime nolan and batman hhhh????????
so now even when we talk about a CGI double?

how can you compare a movie with a norlam guy in a suit fighting ninjas? hpw can you compare wit ha movie that for action a flipped truck,batman punching,joker doing hes card trick.
ohhh i remember now. Nolan did in every movie a flying scene. ohhhhhhhhh now i remember it was CGI. shoooooooow me in TDK a flying scene with the real suit and a cloe up. ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh batman was CGI when he was gliding in the iar .ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh there was no close up.

we are going to compare Nolans batman movies to a superman movie where we (i hope) get superman flying through buildings,flying through the clouds,.......
make no mistake.....i will never defend SR's CGI because it was not good enough for 200 milions, there was not enough action for 200 milions. and I DONT remember where they used their XYZ rig that was ''supposed'' to be groundbreaking wirework in 2006. they had a whole wire-arena only to film flying on wires. i dont know where this was in the movie. give me answers Singer. where is this groundbreaking wirework that we were supposed to see?
when superman is flying down to catch the plane it is a real him. but this was not the XYZ rig. this was basic use of wires in a bigbudget movie.




''sophisticated visual effect tool''
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56rr5_uWLsI

i want to punch him in the face. you have 200 millions and its superman and this is the best you can do? brandon on wires and the camera is moving next to him? for this you need 200 millions?

i will say the last shot of superman in space flying to the camera was amazing. it was brandon + a CGI cape. it was a really good composited shot.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

I'm thinking of Superman effects more in the line of Transformers, as well as Batman. It's obvious you need CGI for a movie like this, but the former of those two had as much as possible done for real. Anything that could be done was done. Most of the action scenes with the robots are mostly live-action footage with the robots added in. That's what I'm thinking. Do as much as you possibly can for real. And when you do use CGI, make it look better than SR. As I said, it looked like WB should have asked Singer for their money back...Transformer's effects were leagues ahead, IMO, and the film cost 50 million less.

 

[Showtime]

If I told you a rumor involving CGI for the next Superman film...you might go over the edge DB.

 

[Angeloz]

I love that middle shot.

Angeloz

 

[Daredevil_2003]

If I told you a rumor involving CGI for the next Superman film...you might go over the edge DB.

My blood pressure might regret this, but, do tell.