The Official Costume Thread - - - - Part 13

[cronosred]

I'm pretty sure any poll you could make would match what the current polling here is; most think they should stay, almost as many don't care one way or another, a very small minority wants them gone.

Who wants them gone is comic book fans who are embarrassed by them. The GA doesn't care. Taking them away is an admission that something is wrong with Superman's visual. It's pandering to people who think the character is silly. It's a loser move.

IMO it's not even so much comic book fans being embarrassed it's that they need something to ***** about for the heck of it. No one really cares if Superman has underwear on the outside or Wonder Woman wears a swimsuit but I guess DC thinks by listening to those few it might increase sales.

 

[Kurosawa]

IMO it's not even so much comic book fans being embarrassed it's that they need something to ***** about for the heck of it. No one really cares if Superman has underwear on the outside or Wonder Woman wears a swimsuit but I guess DC thinks by listening to those few it might increase sales.

They've been doing the "shock value" pandering strategy for years now; it what caused COIE to happen, got Jason Todd killed, Batgirl raped and crippled, Superman killed, etc. Yet for all those shock gimmicks, they are still #2 to Marvel. Both in comics and in movies. GL was an attempt to copy Iron Man for example. DC lost their way when they stopped being themselves. If it's a choice between a wanna be Marvel and the real thing, people will pick Marvel every single time.

That's why they need to embrace Superman's traditions, not run from them.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

It goes both ways my friend. The suit could look great "if done correctly".
Besides, I HIGHLY doubt that it's going to be blue, then the belt, and then nothing else. They will get the red in there some way or another. However, if they don't then that's fine and I'm confident that the suit is going to look awesome. People, we just have to come to realization that you can't make everyone happy.

Hopefully, it'll be those that want the trunks gone that are displeased or unhappy!

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

Subjective.

Look up the word.

look up at the poll. A tiny minority want the trunks gone. As of now about 86% of people will be fine or very happy if they stay.

 

[Rust]

I think people are overlooking something here.
I'm positive there WILL be trunks, but if they're red or blue THAT'S the question!

 

[Majik1387]

They're blue.

 

[Xeno]

They're blue.

How do you know? Has concept art or a photo of Cavill in costume clearly showing his costume below the waist been released?

 

[BlueLantern]

I'm happy either way. To be brutally honest with you, looking at the suit that we have now, I'd feel a lot more comfortable if the trunks were on there, but I'm not worried until we see the said region's colouring and style.

If they'd gone down to the route of the new comics suit then I'd have said no trunks as the new suit looks fine. It remains to be seen. I'm glad there's no high collar though.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I'm pretty sure any poll you could make would match what the current polling here is; most think they should stay, almost as many don't care one way or another, a very small minority wants them gone.

Who wants them gone is comic book fans who are embarrassed by them. The GA doesn't care. Taking them away is an admission that something is wrong with Superman's visual. It's pandering to people who think the character is silly. It's a loser move.

This is EXACTLY how I feel about it.

The problem is, like most things with this movie that I would have hated the idea of BEFORE they were announced, but am now incapable of changing, I'm trying desperately to see the positives, and to understand the reasons they've done it.

Because if Snyder took away the trunks because he thought they looked 'silly', or couldn't 'make them work'... Well then I've lost a little bit of faith in him as a visionary.

I'd much rather put the changes down to the current trends in Superhero films, than an actual incapability to see how the trunks could work.

 

[BlueLantern]

As I mentioned before, Bats lost the trunks almost 22 years ago and Superman was set to lose them in Flyby. It's not a current trend.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I'm not saying removal of trunks is a current trend.

I'm saying realism, and functionality in superheroes costumes is.

And I'm saying that I believe the trunks were removed in this film because the people behind this project believe a trunkless costume is more realisitic for a modern, real worl setting, and that the new suit will better compare to all the other costumes in superheroes films of the moment.

They've got a similar cape attachment to thor, a similar texture to the new Spiderman suit...

I think it's perfectly logical that they are making changes to the suit in order to fit with current trends. And that the trunks might be one of those changes.

You can at least admit the possibility that the people designing the suit may have looked at all the superheroe costumes of the last decade and thought 'No one wears trunks anymore'.

Not just 'Try these on' 'Nah, they don't look right'.

 

[BatBat]

You may want to use examples of costumes going that route that ended up actually looking good.

lol

 

[ElDuderino]

look up at the poll. A tiny minority want the trunks gone. As of now about 86% of people will be fine or very happy if they stay.

I'm a little shocked that 48% of the people on this board that have taken the poll are either fine with no briefs or prefer no briefs at all. I would have thought that a die hard fan message board would have been much more solidly behind keeping classic elements rather than modernizing the character. That makes me think the general audience would be be much more in favor of modernization.

PS, I voted for not caring one way or the other. Because I honestly don't care if there are briefs or not, as long as the suit looks good overall.

 

[BlueLantern]

I'm not saying removal of trunks is a current trend.

I'm saying realism, and functionality in superheroes costumes is.

And I'm saying that I believe the trunks were removed in this film because the people behind this project believe a trunkless costume is more realisitic for a modern, real worl setting, and that the new suit will better compare to all the other costumes in superheroes films of the moment.

They've got a similar cape attachment to thor, a similar texture to the new Spiderman suit...

I think it's perfectly logical that they are making changes to the suit in order to fit with current trends. And that the trunks might be one of those changes.

You can at least admit the possibility that the people designing the suit may have looked at all the superheroe costumes of the last decade and thought 'No one wears trunks anymore'.

Not just 'Try these on' 'Nah, they don't look right'.

The irony is that there hasn't been any superhero film I can actually think of, apart from the Donner/Singer flicks, that have had trunks. Personally I think the trunks would've gone 10 years ago if Singer hadn't tried to make a bastardized version of Richard Donner's Superman films. McG had created concept suits without them, and from the looks of what Burton was going with, they weren't there either.

The trend of grounding things in the reality we live in isn't new either. In fact, if it hadn't been for Star Wars in 1977, I don't think escapist films as we know them would've ever returned. Cinema at the time was amazingly steeped in anti-hero films like the French Connection and everything was very dark and doomy.

Even Superman wouldn't have come out the way it did in 1978 I don't think. Star Wars legitimized the escapist fantasies once more, thus giving it a stay of execution and putting films grounded in reality in the background.

lol

Great. I was hoping you'd stayed over at The DKR forums. We don't need your trolling here.

 

[Smegger56]

I'm a bit bemused by the talk of 'realism' as an excuse for not having trunks. Really then, why bother having raised webbing on spiderman? What's the point?

The trunks are apart of the superman visual. I want them in but if they're not, then fine. Still looking forward to the film.

Anyways, Snyder is directing this (watchman and 300) so I don't think it would fully be his call to omit the trunks.

 

[Superman_200]

I'm a bit bemused by the talk of 'realism' as an excuse for not having trunks. Really then, why bother having raised webbing on spiderman? What's the point?

The trunks are apart of the superman visual. I want them in but if they're not, then fine. Still looking forward to the film.

Anyways, Snyder is directing this (watchman and 300) so I don't think it would fully be his call to omit the trunks.

I'd like to know what realism has to do with an alien costume. The realism should come from the world itself. I don't mind if Superman battles an alien, or something like that. But, the world Superman is in should be real.

In other words, if a guy flies, the "real" person in the movie should not say "Say Jim, thats a bad outfit" or have ice cream and buckets of KFC chicken flying while other people hang on to a phone in a tornado. It just doesn't seem real.

Realism should come from realistic behavior, not from a lack of trunks or not. If you saw a man fly, what would your reaction be? If you are in your office, how do you talk to everyone else? That is where realism is: in realistic human behavior.

 

[Smegger56]

I'd like to know what realism has to do with an alien costume. The realism should come from the world itself. I don't mind if Superman battles an alien, or something like that. But, the world Superman is in should be real.

In other words, if a guy flies, the "real" person in the movie should not say "Say Jim, thats a bad outfit" or have ice cream and buckets of KFC chicken flying while other people hang on to a phone in a tornado. It just doesn't seem real.

Realism should come from realistic behavior, not from a lack of trunks or not. If you saw a man fly, what would your reaction be? If you are in your office, how do you talk to everyone else? That is where realism is: in realistic human behavior.

Exactly. Who even wears a costume like superman or spiderman in the real world to fight crime? Like you said, it's the world around the superhero, and the behaviour, not the costume. This is why I don't get the talk about 'realism' in relation to whether a costume should have trunks or not.

 

[Superman_200]

Exactly. Who even wears a costume like superman or spiderman in the real world to fight crime? Like you said, it's the world around the superhero, and the behaviour, not the costume. This is why I don't get the talk about 'realism' in relation to whether a costume should have trunks or not.

It isn't related at all, you're right.
In Spider-Man, yes, it is related because its a home made costume by a guy that can't even afford a car, or lives in a run-down apartment. He is a teen or young college guy, how can he afford or even make a costume like that? In Spider-Man though, the whole cast acted like a bunch of cartoons. You start sticking to walls, and you're not scared but excited? I'd be crapping my pants, I don't care how good I feel, I'd be pretty scared. They didn't show that. He just accepts it in a hurry. And even if he didn't, everyone else had a cartoonish campy behavior about them

With Batman, not an issue because they explain how he gets it and show the process of him setting up, and he has the funding for it.

Superman, well it is the costume that his parents sent him with. Otherwise, it wouldn't look as scaly or anything like that, so if they sent him with it, that is all the explanation needed.

 

[Astrodust]

It's just a minority that think the trunks should go. When you watch these superhero movies you don't care about those things. I mean why are The Hulks's pants still on. Who cares. When people watched SR, they didn't ask why he was wearing red trunks so why would they with MoS?

 

[Superman_200]

I really doubt they will, but in one of the Hulk movies I could have sworn that Banner was buying stretchy pants and was saying if they had anything that was stretchier.

 

[Smegger56]

It isn't related at all, you're right.
In Spider-Man, yes, it is related because its a home made costume by a guy that can't even afford a car, or lives in a run-down apartment. He is a teen or young college guy, how can he afford or even make a costume like that? In Spider-Man though, the whole cast acted like a bunch of cartoons. You start sticking to walls, and you're not scared but excited? I'd be crapping my pants, I don't care how good I feel, I'd be pretty scared. They didn't show that. He just accepts it in a hurry. And even if he didn't, everyone else had a cartoonish campy behavior about them

With Batman, not an issue because they explain how he gets it and show the process of him setting up, and he has the funding for it.

Superman, well it is the costume that his parents sent him with. Otherwise, it wouldn't look as scaly or anything like that, so if they sent him with it, that is all the explanation needed.

Maybe the spidey one, yeah. But I still didn't care about the raised webbing, because it was a kick ass spidey costume. Very faithful. In fact, I would say thanks to the way the spider was on the back, it was an improvement on the comics.

Batman, because he is more grounded in reality, especially in the Nolan films, the way they explain the functions of the costume works perfectly. Agreed, it worked.

Superman... I just can't think of a good enough reason to exclude the trunks. It baffles me lol. Yeah, it's an alien costume. The material was sent with him an SHABANG... his costume. Good enough for me. Again, the lack of trunks will not effect my opinion on this being a good film or not. But I'd love to see the WHOLE costume on screen.

 

[ElDuderino]

I'm a bit bemused by the talk of 'realism' as an excuse for not having trunks. Really then, why bother having raised webbing on spiderman? What's the point?

The trunks are apart of the superman visual. I want them in but if they're not, then fine. Still looking forward to the film.

Anyways, Snyder is directing this (watchman and 300) so I don't think it would fully be his call to omit the trunks.

Are there actually people claiming that the briefs are removed because of realism?

 

[Smegger56]

Are there actually people claiming that the briefs are removed because of realism?

I hope I haven't misread, but I'm sure some posters here have said that.

Now i'm doubting myself

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

I'm a little shocked that 48% of the people on this board that have taken the poll are either fine with no briefs or prefer no briefs at all. I would have thought that a die hard fan message board would have been much more solidly behind keeping classic elements rather than modernizing the character. That makes me think the general audience would be be much more in favor of modernization.

PS, I voted for not caring one way or the other. Because I honestly don't care if there are briefs or not, as long as the suit looks good overall.

You are flogging a dead horse. As the poll shows the demand for the trunks to be ditched is minimal at best. I don't think a poll of the GA would yield a much different result either. If Snyder gets rid of the trunks it will be to appease a minority, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. That's one of the reasons that I'm not completely convinced that he is actually going to do that.

 

[sepharih]

Are there actually people claiming that the briefs are removed because of realism?

I think some people are......but I believe it's a misnomer on their part. People are effectively confusing "realistic" with "serious" and/or "modern". Most people I've talked to who have said this, when you get down to what they actually say they want specifically, clearly do no want a realistic superman film. I think it's just important to point out they are using the term incorrectly.

I'm a little shocked that 48% of the people on this board that have taken the poll are either fine with no briefs or prefer no briefs at all. I would have thought that a die hard fan message board would have been much more solidly behind keeping classic elements rather than modernizing the character. That makes me think the general audience would be be much more in favor of modernization.

PS, I voted for not caring one way or the other. Because I honestly don't care if there are briefs or not, as long as the suit looks good overall.

You are flogging a dead horse. As the poll shows the demand for the trunks to be ditched is minimal at best. I don't think a poll of the GA would yield a much different result either.

Wait...are we seriously going on like a poll of about 62 people (currnetly) means anything....come on guys.