The Official Costume Thread - - - - - - - - Part 17

[Gamma_Powered_God]

You mean the Siegel and Shuster estates? Because everything I'm reading is blaming the lawsuit.

Bingo. They are gone because of the lawsuit, not because people didn't like them. It's all about money.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

So, they had no choice?

 

[Gamma_Powered_God]

So, they had no choice?

I don't know the legal specifics, but the more DC changes the costume from the orriginal likeness, the less chance they will have to pay royalties to the Schusters and Seigels. Hence, the trunks are gone, and the shield slightly changed.

 

[Lily Adler]

They did. They just didn't want to spend money on royalties. I'm just being blunt here.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Ok.

 

[souperman]

maybe if we all clap our hands...or ring a bell, Supes will get his shorts back.

 

[DIRECTOR]

i still can't get over how bland the bottom half is on the costume. You got this gold oval shape above his crotch, and then some spidermanish design around it. For what purpose? I don't get it, it doesn't make sense.

It goes all the way to his hamstring? WTF

Somebody made a manip of the costume into the Aquaman costume, and that looks perfect, the design matched?

 

[Shabadoo]

I just don't get how he fits this under his work suit. His 3 piece even on a hot day helps but that smallville shirt and tie get up just won't make sense.

Yeah, the added flourishes would seem to make the suit more noticeable under CK clothes, but that's not an issue in my mind, really. Especially since from the beginning of time he's somehow had to hide those boots under socks and loafers...

That's what I was referring to. The overall change of tune many here had.

And thumbs up to those who, after seeing the clearer pics, gave the suit a chance.

Yep, I was very impressed with Kuro after those clear pics were posted.

What's this from?
--dk7

I think that was from McG's try at a Superman movie before SR.

As requested:

--dk7

Oy. Though I'm a fan of the new suit in the comics, this just does not translate well to the real world.

Dear God, we almost ended up with this in the comics ... a scrapped new 52 design ...i see gauntlets ... hmmm

Yeah, I had the same reaction when I saw that in the back of JL#1 today. Too bulky, the seams are too noticeable, and those lines around the S-shield are not that great. I'd be curious to know exactly how far that got in the design process before it got nixed. Based on how closely it resembles the final, I'd say pretty far along.

I do agree that this movie is 100 percent product, but I disagree that film in general or a given genre is untranscendable. Donner had no idea the film was going to be the hit that it was, nor did Lucas when he made star wars. A movie's greatness is largely chance. However you can influence that chance by the proper combination of risk taking and story development.

To me there's a difference between TREATED as product, and CREATED as product. It's a no brainer that this will be treated like product by WB, marketers, etc. I don't blame them. Hundreds of millions dollars are presumably being poured into this movie, and with the legal problems surrounding the character, it's the last chance. Most likely WB is looking to MOS' performance as a gauge of how seriously they will pursue a deal with the S&S heirs for rights to the character. If it makes a boat load of money, you can bet they'll make a deal right quick so they can have a sequel in place by 2017+. But if not, what's the point in fighting? (Yes, *WE* all see the point because we effing love Supes, but I'm saying from WB's perspective of risk versus reward)

But I think it's unfair to Snyder and the others involved to devalue their efforts based on how the studio may choose to handle the film. From what I've read Cavill, has been saying all the right things when he talks of his preparation for playing Supes. Reading source material, and avoiding live action portrayals as much as possible. And also, Snyder's remarks prior to filming, indicated that this will be a very different looking film than his others because of what he thinks of Superman. For all we know everyone involved are the biggest Superman fans on the planet, but we won't know until the movie is released just how faithful to the SPIRIT of the character the movie will be. So I think it's a mistake to make assumptions just because people want to make money off of MOS.

Really the director-approved screenwriter. He was denied a credit by the WGA and so became a "Creative Consultant."

Listening to the Donner/Mank commentary on the STM DVD, you get an idea of just how key Mank was to the film. Good stuff. Definitely worth a listen. I was sad when he died last year.

 

[Kurosawa]

i still can't get over how bland the bottom half is on the costume. You got this gold oval shape above his crotch, and then some spidermanish design around it. For what purpose? I don't get it, it doesn't make sense.

It goes all the way to his hamstring? WTF

Somebody made a manip of the costume into the Aquaman costume, and that looks perfect, the design matched?

I would have went with a little simpler design since the trunks had to go for whatever reason. It's a nice design, but it is eccentric that the costume is so simple and straightforward and then right in the middle, you have this Spider-Man/Venom/Tribal tattoo/tramp stamp stuff going on.

It's a great costume for what it is and at least they did accommodate for losing the trunks, but what they did was so off the wall....but maybe that's why it seems to work.

 

[DIRECTOR]

what are these leaked pics that i missed out on? PM?

 

[souperman]

So, they had no choice?

They had/have a choice, they could have treated the creators/heirs of the material decently and cut them in for a little. It prob would have cost them much much less than it will in the end.

 

[Shabadoo]

Do we know what the S&S heirs are/were demanding?

 

[souperman]

I recall some issues with the Marvel material as well but they came to terms with Stan Lee I guess.

It can't be that different, unless they are all unreasonable, which I suppose is entirely possible.

 

[X Knight]

I would have went with a little simpler design since the trunks had to go for whatever reason. It's a nice design, but it is eccentric that the costume is so simple and straightforward and then right in the middle, you have this Spider-Man/Venom/Tribal tattoo/tramp stamp stuff going on.

It's a great costume for what it is and at least they did accommodate for losing the trunks, but what they did was so off the wall....but maybe that's why it seems to work.

Kuro......is this Bizarro world??

do I detect that you actually like the new suit??!!

 

[Kurosawa]

Do we know what the S&S heirs are/were demanding?

Not known, except that their attorney, Marc Toberoff, is wanting in for 45% ownership of Superman and that he's the big issue. He's a *****ebag intellectual property attorney and he's looking to strike it huge with Superman.

It's still DC/WB's fault for not giving the Siegel and Shuster famiies a good deal when they had the chance. Whatever the Kane heirs get, the S&S heirs should get. You never hear a peep from them so obviously it's a good deal.

Kuro......is this Bizarro world??

do I detect that you actually like the new suit??!!

It's really good for what it is. I'd rather have the classic and it does highly piss me off that it's gone, but it's well done for what it is.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

i still can't get over how bland the bottom half is on the costume. You got this gold oval shape above his crotch, and then some spidermanish design around it. For what purpose? I don't get it, it doesn't make sense.

It goes all the way to his hamstring? WTF

Somebody made a manip of the costume into the Aquaman costume, and that looks perfect, the design matched?

The only purpose is the visual appeal, which goes for most superhero outfits.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

I would have went with a little simpler design since the trunks had to go for whatever reason. It's a nice design, but it is eccentric that the costume is so simple and straightforward and then right in the middle, you have this Spider-Man/Venom/Tribal tattoo/tramp stamp stuff going on.

It's a great costume for what it is and at least they did accommodate for losing the trunks, but what they did was so off the wall....but maybe that's why it seems to work.

If someone on here had drawn something like that, I would've undoubtably told them...'No way, that's so out of left field, that'll never happen" Lol! How wrong was I!! Btw Kuro, I agree with you that it is GREAT for what it is. It'll be interesting in two and half years when the Blu-Ray is released to hear the reasoning behind some of those details around the waist and thighs, and whether they ditched the trunks due to the lawsuit or if it was simply because they thought they didn't work anymore.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

It's more a case of:

RIP 1945-2011. That was when the final, classic Superman costume was finished and it stayed that way until pressure from people who got picked on for being Superman fans when they were little kids got it changed in the comics and in the movies.

Or the shorter version of it: The *******s won.

I really like the new costume now that the details have been revealed, but with that being said, if Snyder could have recreated that look most people would have gone slackjawed at it's awesomeness. Hopefully soon we'll see some carefully staged and lit official shots of the new costume.

 

[El Payaso]

It's more a case of:

RIP 1945-2011. That was when the final, classic Superman costume was finished and it stayed that way until pressure from people who got picked on for being Superman fans when they were little kids got it changed in the comics and in the movies.

Or the shorter version of it: The *******s won.

All those villiains trying to get Kryptonite to kill him... and all they had to do was removing his trunks.

 

[djprince]

What's this from?



--dk7

its something I did

 

[sf2]

It's more a case of:

RIP 1945-2011. That was when the final, classic Superman costume was finished and it stayed that way until pressure from people who got picked on for being Superman fans when they were little kids got it changed in the comics and in the movies.

Or the shorter version of it: The *******s won.

good bye indeed. it will be gone for a long long time.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I knew Kurosawa was going to be uber dramatic if they got rid of his trunks.

 

[Rodrigo90]

A bunch of kids are killed.

Puppies drown.

But the real tragedy for some...SUPERMAN'S TRUNKS ARE GONE!!!

 

[sf2]

A bunch of kids are killed.

Puppies drown.

But the real tragedy for some...SUPERMAN'S TRUNKS ARE GONE!!!

ya, ya, there are people dying in starvation every second, so and so...

if we wanna talk about charity work, we would look for the right place ourselves.

and in this forum, we talk superman. got that?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

You took Rodrigo's post far more seriously than I did. He was making fun of people like you and your hero for pretending that Superman is dead just because you didn't get your way on what his costume should look like.

His trunks are gone for this particular film. Deal the hell with and watch and read the thousands of other Superman materials that has him wearing them.

I would have accepted and been perfectly happy with a Superman costume that featured trunks eventhough I don't perfer them in liveaction but alot of people on the other side of the issue were never going to except a trunkless Superman and thats why I don't care about the vast majority of otherside's opinions regarding this issue.