The Official Costume Thread - - - - - - - - - Part 18

[afan]

Are you blind?

Some of the suits bear similarities... But Jor-el, Zod, Faora and Superman all have DIFFERENT suits.

Hmmmmm ...Faora sure, but minus the outer garment Jor-el's body suit appears identical, and aside from color Zod's also is identical in it's detailing. They are more alike than different. Now perhaps Jor-el's body suit is inherited by Kal-el, but Zod's suit points more to a commonly worn Kryptonian garment. If the point to be made is that Superman's costume is not unique and one of a kind in MOS, the visual evidence we are seeing supports that point.

 

[Superman_200]

What we are seeing though is a set pic where there appears to be a blue suit. That may just part of the entire vest for the movie, or part of something underneath it. I don't think that the fact that a blue sleeve may be seen in the movie will lead people to believe that Superman's costume is Jor-El's underwear.

 

[TheDragonator]

What they needed to take inspiration from was Speed Racer.

You seem to be under the impression Speed Racer was successful.

It was critically slammed and only made $90 million dollars.


Being colorful and flashy does not = succesful.

Try using a comparison to a movie that didn't fall flat on it's ass and stay there.

Saying that a film should be more like a movie that was a complete and utter failure is the wrong direction to go.

But Snyder has too limited an imagination for that.

Yes, clearly someone who can think of giant robot samurai wielding chain guns has zero imagination.

 

[afan]

What we are seeing though is a set pic where there appears to be a blue suit. That may just part of the entire vest for the movie, or part of something underneath it. I don't think that the fact that a blue sleeve may be seen in the movie will lead people to believe that Superman's costume is Jor-El's underwear.

Underwear may not be the term, but it sure looks to me that what we are seeing is Crowe wearing an outer garment and an inner garment, and that inner garment appears to be identical to what we have seen Cavill wearing as Superman. Leading one to conclude that the film is making a "fashion" connection between father and son. If that conclusion is valid the film must feature a reveal of Jor-el's inner garment.

 

[Superman_200]

Underwear may not be the term, but it sure looks to me that what we are seeing is Crowe wearing an outer garment and an inner garment, and that inner garment appears to be identical to what we have seen Cavill wearing as Superman. Leading one to conclude that the film is making a "fashion" connection between father and son. If that conclusion is valid the film must feature a reveal of Jor-el's inner garment.

I really doubt we would see that. Crowe is not in the best of shape, and the costume looks very cool. I doubt there would be a need to show anymore than that. The audience will just accept it for what it is. A guy who is wearing a strange alien looking suit and has a blue suit underneath. I don't think the audience will even really catch the blue underneath. It depends on how it is shot. The blue certainly does not stand out too much, and the red is a very faded sort of red. Who knows what kind of lighting will be used for this and what kind of filter? I also doubt they built another suit like the one that Zod and Cavill are wearing for Crowe, in addition to this suit with the vest.

 

[souperman]

Escape from Krypton.

 

[souperman]

I really doubt we would see that. Crowe is not in the best of shape, and the costume looks very cool. I doubt there would be a need to show anymore than that. The audience will just accept it for what it is. A guy who is wearing a strange alien looking suit and has a blue suit underneath. I don't think the audience will even really catch the blue underneath. It depends on how it is shot. The blue certainly does not stand out too much, and the red is a very faded sort of red. Who knows what kind of lighting will be used for this and what kind of filter? I also doubt they built another suit like the one that Zod and Cavill are wearing for Crowe, in addition to this suit with the vest.

Seems like the Under-suit is an all around garment, sort of like the black shirts they wear under the uniform jacket or colored shirt on Star Trek.

The "robes" JorEl is wearing seem to be ceremonial in nature.

Maybe the undersuit is an "environmental suit" that Kryptonians need to wear to maintain temperature... their sun is dying, and they know it. Just an idea.

 

[souperman]

... doesn't have the red boots though. I wonder why?

 

[souperman]

by the way, I didn't change the colors of JorEls outfit, I only increased the contrast and saturation.

 

[souperman]

but I did give him a tummy tuck!

 

[camp Blood]

i know it sounds a little stupid but what if it's some kind of suit that stretches out to any size needed like the sayian armor from DBZ Kal-el could have the same suit as a baby as he does a man what if one size fits all literally means just that

 

[Krumm]

by the way, I didn't change the colors of JorEls outfit, I only increased the contrast and saturation.

You know, that brings up a good point. The colors of the suit are mostly likely intentionally muted because of the post production/color correction that will occur.

They use a similar technic when shooting in B&W. Because the film doesn't have color they have to mute and heighten colors so they appear they way they are supposed to. Occasionally they even replace one color for another because it reads better in B&W. I believe they substitute green for red because it reads better as red. Strange, I know. They talk about it on the Ed Wood commentary if anyone is interested.

 

[C. Lee]

You know, that brings up a good point. The colors of the suit are mostly likely intentionally muted because of the post production/color correction that will occur.

They use a similar technic when shooting in B&W. Because the film doesn't have color they have to mute and heighten colors so they appear they way they are supposed to. Occasionally they even replace one color for another because it reads better in B&W. I believe they substitute green for red because it reads better as red. Strange, I know. They talk about it on the Ed Wood commentary if anyone is interested.

At the Superman museum in Metropolis, Illinois they have one of the early Kirk Alyn Superman suits....it's various shades of brown because that came out better in Black and white than the red and blue suit.

 

[Krumm]

At the Superman museum in Metropolis, Illinois they have one of the early Kirk Alyn Superman suits....it's various shades of brown because that came out better in Black and white than the red and blue suit.

Very cool. I was pretty surprised when I learned that bit of movie magic.

 

[camp Blood]

why couldn't they have just used a grayscale suit

 

[Krumm]

Here's a quick answer:

[Film] stock [...] [responds] to different colors. There are orthochromatic films, which are not sensitive to reds - a scene lit with red lights would show up black, etc. Most film is panchromatic which means it's sensitive to all colors, but different stocks will react differently.

There might be more from that forum.

I'm a post-production guy so most of that is over my head. Maybe someone else on here can shed more light.

 

[Kurosawa]

You seem to be under the impression Speed Racer was successful.

It was critically slammed and only made $90 million dollars.


Being colorful and flashy does not = succesful.

Try using a comparison to a movie that didn't fall flat on it's ass and stay there.

Saying that a film should be more like a movie that was a complete and utter failure is the wrong direction to go.





Yes, clearly someone who can think of giant robot samurai wielding chain guns has zero imagination.

After those last two Matrix movies, anything those guys made would have bombed. And Speed Racer is one of those movies that was reviewed lower than it's actual quality because of it's surface subject matter.

 

[batman44]

Speed Racer is awesome...that is all.

 

[camp Blood]

wanted to see it in theaters but i couldnt get anyone to go with me but i liked it for the most part and watched it at least 5 times on hbo in the last year

one thing i would have done differently at cut out the kid and monkey solo scenes but i understand they were actual needed for plot development

i would have gladly saw any sequels

 

[tomk]

At the Superman museum in Metropolis, Illinois they have one of the early Kirk Alyn Superman suits....it's various shades of brown because that came out better in Black and white than the red and blue suit.

George Reeves' suit in the B&W series was brown, grey and white for the same reason. Don't think it's quite the same thing as one shade of blue being deliberately changed to another by post processing or whatever it's called. It was a pragmatic rather than artistic decision.

 

[tomk]

Escape from Krypton.

Sorry, she looks like the Queen of Hearts and he looks like a dirty old man.

 

[camp Blood]

tried to take the beard out to clean him up.

 

[That person]

This design appears to have been inspired by the numerous artist renditions of the character over the years and I think it will look great in the film.

Can you give some examples of these renditions? I haven't been a Superman fan for very long, but this really looks nothing like Jor-El as I've seen him before.

 

[Saint]

That's bullsh**

Kurosawa stands out because he is dedicated to his Superman. Sure, he may go overboard with his opinions of what Superman should be, but nobody can say that his Superman is all that should be...

I think you misunderstood me.

 

[Kurosawa]

Jor-El and Lara through the decades:

Spoiler

Jor-L, Lora and Kal-L, Newspaper comic strip, 1939:

Superboy origin, 1945:

1949:

Silver/Bronze Age classic, Circa 1965:

Late 70's: