The Official Costume Thread - - - - - - - - - - Part 19

[KingKane88]

Cavill's only about 2 inches shy of 6'3 (it's not like he's 5'2); and with his current physique, he's clearly the most imposing Superman we've ever had. As for Routh, he wasn't a terrible Superman though. Singer and the SR production are mostly to blame for the performance of that film.

Agree to an extent.


The thing with Brandon that killed it for me was his lack of emotion and carisma as Superman. Many say that it was the script and his lines which made him boring in the film, but even in the love scenes with Lois he was missing that connection and emotion for me. He is just not that great of an actor.

Another thing that bothered the heck out of me was Routh's body shape, he had an extremely long torso, and he was very soft around the edges. If anyone wants a better idea of this, just watch the "Extra's" on the 2nd disc SR special edition when he is wearing the muscle suit, or when he has his shirt off swimming, he has one on the oddest body shapes I have ever seen, it just does not scream superman to me, not even a whisper.


Cavill on the other hand has everything Brandon did not. The body, shape, carisma, better looking (as far as the comics), acting (from what I've seen), and his smile is spot on! He just has it.

 

[Kurosawa]

From the chest up he looks perfect and he looks impressive out of costume as well. Its too bad the costume is so horrid from the waist down. I actually like him better the way he looks in the oil rig scene.

 

[moviedoors]

Routh looked fine as Superman, Reeve looked fine as Superman. Cavill looks fine as Superman. I can appreciate all of them personally. There is room for all of them.

I think I would like Routh more had he been tasked with doing something other than a Christopher Reeve impression. I think that was the great failing of SR. They didn't approach Superman afresh, they just tried their damnedest to get the presence of Christopher Reeve on screen.

 

[KingKane88]

They didn't approach Superman afresh, they just tried their damnedest to get the presence of Christopher Reeve on screen.

Now that I think about it, this was the main thing wrong with SR. Routh came off as a wanna-be, not nearly as good version of Chris Reeve, but it's not his fault.


This was a huge mistake on Singers part to cast an actor to play the roll of another actors interpretation of the Superman character. Basically Routh was acting to be Christopher Reeve, not Superman.

 

[camp Blood]

routh was a great Clark Kent but a mediocre superman

if there was superman movie that was 90% Kent screentime and just a little supes action maybe just him stopping a robbery saving people from a burning building small stuff with like a total 20 minutes screen time in costume then routh would be a good choice

 

[moviedoors]

Now that I think about it, this was the main thing wrong with SR. Routh came off as a wanna-be, not nearly as good version of Chris Reeve, but it's not his fault.


This was a huge mistake on Singers part to cast an actor to play the roll of another actors interpretation of the Superman character. Basically Routh was acting to be Christopher Reeve, not Superman.

You've got it, exactly.

 

[KingKane88]

routh was a great Clark Kent but a mediocre superman

if there was superman movie that was 90% Kent screentime and just a little supes action maybe just him stopping a robbery saving people from a burning building small stuff with like a total 20 minutes screen time in costume then routh would be a good choice

I will say, I thought his Clark was good/ok.

 

[camp Blood]

Clark doesn't have to be powerful and that's where routh fell short he didn't look or exude power

Looking at rouths superman it's like the suit wears the man and not the other way around, I feel like I could punch him out

cavill is wearing his suit and he pulls it off he's as imposing as his suit is and they are balanced

routh just didn't look impressive as superman

 

[moviedoors]

Routh's Clark was a great Reeve impression, but that's it. That's literally all there was to it. When your Superman was so flat, and your Clark a hundred times so, and it was all just an imitation of what a dead actor did anyway, you were doomed to failure. A 378 million dollar grossing failure, but a failure none the less.

It's a shame, because I would love to see Routh play Superman, instead of Routh playing Christopher Reeve playing Superman.

 

[sf2]

Routh's Clark was a great Reeve impression, but that's it. That's literally all there was to it. When your Superman was so flat, and your Clark a hundred times so, and it was all just an imitation of what a dead actor did anyway, you were doomed to failure. A 378 million dollar grossing failure, but a failure none the less.

It's a shame, because I would love to see Routh play Superman, instead of Routh playing Christopher Reeve playing Superman.

i don't know how and where is this come from. routh playing CR playing superman??? i don't see that. it's a direct sequel. they might have said the same lines. but that's all.

and SR sorta regards as a failure, the least to blame is routh. if there wasn't a super killing kid, if there was a beast out of nowhere from the new krypton and have a massive fight with superman in metropolis... it would have a whole different scenario now...

we might have watched the 3rd movies of SR like transformers and Routh would still have been the superman.

 

[Kurosawa]

Routh is a very good actor with a lot of presence and if he had been given different material and been asked to play Superman in his own way, he would have been at least good and maybe much more. That's the real shame of Superman Returns: that Singer's total ignorance of the Superman comics led him to shoot a virtual remake of STM and his only new element was an out of wedlock child that just made a total mess of what was already a very flawed movie.

 

[sf2]

Routh is a very good actor with a lot of presence and if he had been given different material and been asked to play Superman in his own way, he would have been at least good and maybe much more. That's the real shame of Superman Returns: that Singer's total ignorance of the Superman comics led him to shoot a virtual remake of STM and his only new element was an out of wedlock child that just made a total mess of what was already a very flawed movie.

a super shame indeed. i always thought of wanna whacking his head for introducing an out of wedlock child to superman if i be able to meet him.

hehe

back to topic... i agree with u, the top portion of the suit scores 100% but the bottom is only 30%

 

[TheBat812]

I think it's hilarious that the introduction of an out-of-wedlock child pisses you guys off so much. I thought it was an interesting story that has never been told before, but that could have been interesting in the sequel. We'll never know.

 

[moviedoors]

i don't know how and where is this come from. routh playing CR playing superman??? i don't see that. it's a direct sequel. they might have said the same lines. but that's all.

and SR sorta regards as a failure, the least to blame is routh. if there wasn't a super killing kid, if there was a beast out of nowhere from the new krypton and have a massive fight with superman in metropolis... it would have a whole different scenario now...

we might have watched the 3rd movies of SR like transformers and Routh would still have been the superman.

I'm not laying the blame entirely on Routh, but the whole creative team, primarily, Singer, who couldn't let go of the Donner movies and instead just made a hollow retread. Routh does a great Reeve impression, but that's all I see: an empty, nearly SNL style impression, and the rest of the movie followed suit.

I have no idea idea what point you were trying to make with Transformers. You lost me there.

 

[sf2]

I think it's hilarious that the introduction of an out-of-wedlock child pisses you guys off so much. I thought it was an interesting story that has never been told before, but that could have been interesting in the sequel. We'll never know.

interesting??? or disgusting...

wait till your ex-girlfriend tell u you have an 5 years old kid...

 

[moviedoors]

I think it's hilarious that the introduction of an out-of-wedlock child pisses you guys off so much. I thought it was an interesting story that has never been told before, but that could have been interesting in the sequel. We'll never know.

It's not a bad idea in and of itself, but in execution. The movie as a whole isn't very good, and the kid is the most rote, character-less cliche imaginable. That kid was such a blank slate. There was literally nothing there but by-the-numbers plot mechanics. His name may as well have been "MacGuffin." Did he even have any dialogue? I can't remember, and I just rewatched SR not that long ago. All I can remember of that kid is gape-mouthed stares and contrived deus ex machinas and that's it.

 

[sf2]

It's not a bad idea in and of itself, but in execution. The movie as a whole isn't very good, and the kid is the most rote, character-less cliche imaginable. That kid was such a blank slate. There was literally nothing there but by-the-numbers plot mechanics. His name may as well have been "MacGuffin." Did he even have any dialogue? I can't remember, and I just rewatched SR not that long ago. All I can remember of that kid is gape-mouthed stares and contrived deus ex machinas and that's it.

the idea / contribution is from / for the dialogue the son becomes... the father..., the father becomes... the son...

though no idea what it means...

 

[moviedoors]

What?

 

[elgaz]

Superman having a son is not a terrible idea in itself. If the idea was executed properly.

The problem is when you give Superman a son who was conceived in dubious circumstances (the mother had her mind wiped after the event), who thinks someone else is his father, whose mother probably knows that his true father is Superman but chooses to say nothing, and whose true father has been away for 5 years and now spends some of his evenings spying on the household the boy lives in. Oh, and Superman seems to know it's his son but also chooses never to address this with anyone, allowing them all to perpetuate a very big lie.

Not one thing about that 'idea' sounds to me like a situation Superman would ever allow himself to be in. It's just wrong for a Superman film. Singer should have directed Desperate Housewives instead.

 

[Herolee10]

Superman having a son is not a terrible idea in itself. If the idea was executed properly.

The problem is when you give Superman a son who was conceived in dubious circumstances (the mother had her mind wiped after the event), who thinks someone else is his father, whose mother probably knows that his true father is Superman but chooses to say nothing, and whose true father has been away for 5 years and now spends some of his evenings spying on the household the boy lives in. Oh, and Superman seems to know it's his son but also chooses never to address this with anyone, allowing them all to perpetuate a very big lie.

Not one thing about that 'idea' sounds to me like a situation Superman would ever allow himself to be in. It's just wrong for a Superman film. Singer should have directed Desperate Housewives instead.

Agreed; not to mention that imho, having a son enter into the picture for the starter film of a potential franchise isn't the best idea since it adds baggage from the beginning. Personally, I think stories that concern the hero having a child should be saved for the final film of the franchise since you won't have to worry so much about having to put so much st into the character for future films.

In any case, as for MOS's costume itself, I hope that the yellow strands that act in as Superman's belt from his waists are more visible in the final cut, since from all of the photos that I've seen, when you look at him from a straight position from a distance, it looks like he just has a yellow circle on the middle of his waist, that's it.

 

[KyleDW2]

I think it's hilarious that the introduction of an out-of-wedlock child pisses you guys off so much. I thought it was an interesting story that has never been told before, but that could have been interesting in the sequel. We'll never know.

Yeah, it is a terrible idea. If you have a kid, you should take responsibility for it. If you have sex with a woman, you should tell her if you're leaving for five years. Its kind of a bad sign when the other man has more responsibility in him than the main hero.

 

[Herolee10]

Yeah, it is a terrible idea. If you have a kid, you should take responsibility for it. If you have sex with a woman, you should tell her if you're leaving for five years. Its kind of a bad sign when the other man has more responsibility in him than the main hero.

Well, granted, while I think it wasn't the most appropriate story for a first film in a potential franchise, I think Superman's character got too much unnecessary bashing for something that I generally see him being "somewhat' innocent in. I mean it's not like he knew that Lois was pregnant before she left, and had he known then he would have stayed since his whole point towards traveling to find life on Krypton was to find someone basically like him.

But yeah, the entire thing wasn't executed properly at all imho; nor was it the best thing to give the character as a obstacle in the first film.

 

[superman2090]

Guys. Routh couldn't act and that's one of the reasons among all the others listed above that it was terrible. Watch any of his soap opera stuff. He has the same expressions and the same flat voice. It just made his impersonation of Reeve even more ridiculous. I will give him one out though. As others have pointed out, Singer is a giant tool.

 

[Micromind]

Superman Returns was the first big budget movie for Brandon Routh so it was natural that in some scenes he looked a bit stiff.

As for his physique, he was asked to stop training as he was getting bigger and his suit kept tearing up and I think that his suit design could have been better.

The movie did not do well due to multiple reasons first Routh and Bosworth looked young enough so that should have made Superman : Year One as the story (An Origin story.) not Superman Returns add to that lack of action, a super kid, a lame Lex Luthor land scheme.

Routh now looks more mature and now he has more experience in acting, he is not Oscar worthy actor but still a decent one (IMO.)

Thank God for Cavill, otherwise we would have got Matthew Goode or Joe Manganiello as Superman.

 

[Dr.]

i don't know how and where is this come from. routh playing CR playing superman??? i don't see that.

Yeah, I don’t get that either.

Reeve’s Superman wasn’t entirely to my liking. It was a tad too earnest and Dudley Do-Right. Also, the scenes with Kidder were a little too puppy lovey. And, of course, his goofy CK is famous. As a showcase for Reeve’s range as an actor, the performance impressed. But I’m not sure it was the best representation of the character.

Now if Routh had done all this, he might have gotten more accolades and the charge of impersonation would have been more justified. But imo, Routh wasn’t doing an impersonation. For better or worse, his Supes was more in the mold of a Gary Cooper/strong-and-silent characterization. And the goofiness of his CK was dialed way back.

Note, too, that during the Action #1/Kitty rescue scene, Routh displayed an easy charm and warmth with Posey. So he can do that stuff. But the script proscribed such emotions for almost all the Supes-Lois scenes.