The Official Costume Thread - - - - - - - - - - Part 19

[KrypJonian]

One thing I was thinking about earlier, that made me really sad that we don't have a traditional costume this time - Cavill, with the physique he is sporting now, would have totally pulled it off.

It would have been the best live action Superman in terms of body shape and how the suit looked on him.

I still love the new costume, and I think he looks great in it.

But I do think we missed an opportunity to prove that Superman CAN work with the trunks, and still look seriously manly.

And I hate to keep riding your coat-tails, but I once agree with what you say 100%

 

[hopefuldreamer]

And I hate to keep riding your coat-tails, but I once agree with what you say 100%

Great minds think alike is all!

 

[Nevaratoiel]

No.

*sighs*

You must be a guy.... am I right?

He was no where near as built, he had much softer features, didn't have a strong jaw like Cavill does, his hair was styled in this incredibly well groomed clean cut fashion and, to me, this pose always reminded me of how girls (me included) often stand with their hands on their hips and thumbs lightly on their belt...

It's one of the things I hated most about the picture from the beginning, though I couldn't put my finger on it at first.

Plus I think the material there doesn't help, whereas if we had a traditional suit in MOS but with the same material as the new suit design, we'd have a much much better masculine looking suit IMO.

I don't look at SR and even for a second think about how manly Superman is. Not one scene makes me think that.

With Cavill, we are thinking it in spades.

Maybe that's the thing with me. I don't like it when men are too build, even in a superhero. Superman might be one, but one must think that even a superhero is a person. Brandon was built enough for my taste and he created a certain air around him which made him, again in my opinion, very manly and regal. You don't have to see every muscle in a body when wearing a suit like that, as long as the image stands. Christopher Reeves wasn't that build and he did it for me. It has to be believable that when he's in his 'normal' outfits, he can be a totally different personage and when he wears the suit he's Superman all the way.

Brandon was manly enough for me and I think he nailed it just right.

Got me wonderin what the new materials would look like with the traditional costume, started messing around in PS

hmmm...

Probably not surprising; I think that looks much better.

 

[Showtime]

To me they did so much right with this suit that it sucks that they went wrong on some levels. The cape looks fantastic, from the attachment to the color. The logo on the chest is sized perfectly and I like the style of the symbol they used. The boots of are the right height and understated. The sheen and patter on the suit looks odd and that midsection is a disaster. It's not that there are no trunks, it's how they choose to fill in the gaps with no trunks.

I'd like to see it in live action before making a judgement, but it's not a home run. Just like the Returns suit wasn't a home run. In my opinion of course.

 

[KrypJonian]

Great minds think alike is all!

I can dig itt:

And I see now I forgot the word "again"...

Sorry, just bothers me when I skip words

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Maybe that's the thing with me. I don't like it when men are too built, even in a superhero. Superman might be one, but one must think that even a superhero is a person. Brandon was built enough for my taste and he created a certain air around him which made him, again in my opinion, very manly and regal. You don't have to see every muscle in a body when wearing a suit like that, as long as the image stands. Christopher Reeves wasn't that build and he did it for me. It has to be believable that when he's in his 'normal' outfits, he can be a totally different personage and when he wears the suit he's Superman all the way.

Brandon was manly enough for me and I think he nailed it just right.

From everything we've seen, Cavill has a great bulky muscular physique, that hides very well in ordinary clothes...

So it IS possible to have that build and still be believable...

And it's fine if your taste in men is less bulky, and you prefer the look of BR's body.

But what Cavill has acheived is a body that is the closest to comics accurate I think an actor could feesibly get and still hide well under clothes.

That's something I NEVER thought we'd get, and it's something that would have improved ANY version of the Superman suit that was worn on screen previously.

I just think we've got the body image (the thick neck, the jawline, the broad shoulders, trim waist, 6 pack, black hair) so comics accurate, and i'd love to have seen him in a traditional suit now.

That would have given new meaning to the term 'He looks like he leapt straight off the pages of the comics' to me.

To me they did so much right with this suit that it sucks that they went wrong on some levels.

Agreed.

I think if it weren't Cavill in that suit, i'd probably hate it more. Like if they'd gone for Joe M... that would have just looked weird...

But there's something about Cavill. He pulls it off. He pretty much pulls off anything he wears IMO.

 

[Dr.]

As for Batman's correct religion, Miller is of course wrong. Wealthy American families of the early 20th century were rarely Catholic. Maggin says Batman is Episcopalian, and as he is a descendant of "Mad" Anthony Wayne, he absolutely should be. But who expects Miller to know anything really?

Different interpretations. It’s also important to distinguish between the figurative and the literal. While there may be textual evidence that Wayne’s family is Episcopalian, Miller may be speaking in more psychoanalytic and subtextual terms. Certain thematic elements tend towards a more “Catholic” description.

This article speculates that Bruce’s father was Episcopalian and his mother Catholic. And it cites this reference and quote:

DC Comics writer Chuck Dixon and artist Graham Nolan had a memorable collaboration producing Batman comics. On his official website Dixon discussed Christianity in comics (http://www.dixonverse.net/NEWSITE/ARTICLES/christ.html) and describes their view of Batman: "Graham Nolan and I had an ongoing argument about whether Bruce was raised Catholic or Protestant. I recently conceded to Graham than he must be Catholic. No Protestant ever suffered guilt the way Bruce does."

http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Batman.html

 

[sf2]

Great minds think alike is all!

then i got a great mind too.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Different interpretations. It’s also important to distinguish between the figurative and the literal. While there may be textual evidence that Wayne’s family is Episcopalian, Miller may be speaking in more psychoanalytic and subtextual terms. Certain thematic elements tend towards a more “Catholic” description.

This article speculates that Bruce’s father was Episcopalian and his mother Catholic. And it cites this reference and quote:

DC Comics writer Chuck Dixon and artist Graham Nolan had a memorable collaboration producing Batman comics. On his official website Dixon discussed Christianity in comics (http://www.dixonverse.net/NEWSITE/ARTICLES/christ.html) and describes their view of Batman: "Graham Nolan and I had an ongoing argument about whether Bruce was raised Catholic or Protestant. I recently conceded to Graham than he must be Catholic. No Protestant ever suffered guilt the way Bruce does."

http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Batman.html

Right. Although rich Protestant families outnumbered Catholics in the 1900s, you did have a good handful of wealthy, influential Catholic clans, such as the Kennedys and the Kellys (as in Grace Kelly). And many have also said that Episcopalian traditions (more-so than most other Protestant denominations) are quite similar to the services practiced in Catholicism.

And yeah, I can see Bruce as the son of a Protestant father and Catholic mother. Martha's surname was once revealed to be Kane (no relation to Kathy Kane aka Batwoman), which derives from the Irish Ó Catháin; so it's entirely possible. Then again, we're talking about fictional characters here. Yikes!

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

And I hate to keep riding your coat-tails, but I once agree with what you say 100%

Don't lie. You totally enjoy riding her coat-tails.

 

[stargazer]

Maybe that's the thing with me. I don't like it when men are too build, even in a superhero. Superman might be one, but one must think that even a superhero is a person. Brandon was built enough for my taste and he created a certain air around him which made him, again in my opinion, very manly and regal. You don't have to see every muscle in a body when wearing a suit like that, as long as the image stands. Christopher Reeves wasn't that build and he did it for me. It has to be believable that when he's in his 'normal' outfits, he can be a totally different personage and when he wears the suit he's Superman all the way.

Brandon was manly enough for me and I think he nailed it just right.

Probably not surprising; I think that looks much better.

Agreed.

Brandon IS a big and tall guy. Bigger than Henry. Fact. Sure I agree that he wasn't really huge in SR, but that was Singer's choice, that's how he wanted his Superman to look.

Brandon Can and has getten bigger than when he played Superman:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_R5WS6_kmmTI/TGgdFNWhdRI/AAAAAAAAzT0/MU8EsOurAEo/s1600/2r53sir.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4081/4881784285_3da391e536_z.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/markofort/cap15.jpg

just wanted to clarify that. you may now continue with your usual thing..

 

[Compi716]

Agreed.

Brandon IS a big and tall guy. Bigger than Henry. Fact. Sure I agree that he wasn't really huge in SR, but that was Singer's choice, that's how he wanted his Superman to look.

Brandon Can and has getten bigger than when he played Superman:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_R5WS6_kmmTI/TGgdFNWhdRI/AAAAAAAAzT0/MU8EsOurAEo/s1600/2r53sir.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4081/4881784285_3da391e536_z.jpg

I see Superman there just as much as I do in the set pictures of Cavill.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Don't lie. You totally enjoy riding her coat-tails.

Agreed.

Brandon IS a big and tall guy. Bigger than Henry. Fact. Sure I agree that he wasn't really huge in SR, but that was Singer's choice, that's how he wanted his Superman to look.

Brandon Can and has getten bigger than when he played Superman:

just wanted to clarify that. you may now continue with your usual thing..

Yeah he could have had just as impressive a body for the film.

But he didn't...and that is one thing that contributes to my opinion that Henry Cavill, with the body shape and jawline and neck he's sporting, would pull of a suit with trunks in a much more manly way.

 

[ElDuderino]

And Brandon Routh didn't look manly in his Superman suit?

@ElDuderino: An issue is never dead if people are willing to discuss it.

There are lots of dead issues that people love I troll about.

 

[stargazer]

Yeah he could have had just as impressive a body for the film.

But he didn't...and that is one thing that contributes to my opinion that Henry Cavill, with the body shape and jawline and neck he's sporting, would pull of a suit with trunks in a much more manly way.

He was big enough for my tastes. And Brandon is still taller, which helps to be more impossing. Besides, it's more than just about the huge 'muscles' for me; it is also about the way the actor carries himself. To me and others Brandon carried himself like Superman. He also has the right voice. But I'm done with this, I KNOW I'm not going to change anyone's mind..

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Cavill's only about 2 inches shy of 6'3 (it's not like he's 5'2); and with his current physique, he's clearly the most imposing Superman we've ever had. As for Routh, he wasn't a terrible Superman though. Singer and the SR production are mostly to blame for the performance of that film.

 

[Nevaratoiel]

He was big enough for my tastes. And Brandon is still taller, which helps to be more impossing. Besides, it's more than just about the huge 'muscles' for me; it is also about the way the actor carries himself. To me and others Brandon carried himself like Superman. He also has the right voice. But I'm done with this, I KNOW I'm not going to change anyone's mind..

Can I kiss you for saying that? (the bold part) t:

 

[ElDuderino]

Rough looked wimpy and soft. Cavill looks manly and ripped. Without a doubt Cavill looks bigger and more imposing.

 

[TheBat812]

To me, Routh is what Superman would probably look like if really walked among us, but Cavill is the ultimate comic depiction, so it's nice that we've gotten both.

 

[El Payaso]

Rough looked wimpy and soft. Cavill looks manly and ripped. Without a doubt Cavill looks bigger and more imposing.

t:

 

[camp Blood]

the larger shield also helps denote power

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

the larger shield also helps denote power

Agreed. Incidentally, I'm surprised they haven't yet revealed the official shield in all its glory.

 

[Saint]

Got me wonderin what the new materials would look like with the traditional costume, started messing around in PS

hmmm...

It's no surprise at all that this is the superior design. Not that the trunkless costume looks terrible, but this is the clear winner.

 

[moviedoors]

Nah, I'll still take trunkless.

 

[Showtime]

Routh looked fine as Superman, Reeve looked fine as Superman. Cavill looks fine as Superman. I can appreciate all of them personally. There is room for all of them.