The Official DC Stupid Question Thread....

[Azrael24]

Oooh...I don't know about that list...I'd go:

Richard Dragon (pre-revamp)
Batman
Lady Shiva/Batgirl tied.
Bronze Tiger

I only say this because, we are talking the best FIGHTER not martial artist. Considering how much Batman knows, I can't put him below Shiva or Batgirl. Plus, I just witnessed Shiva getting knocked out with the quickness by Batman in Batman/Superman. I remember he did it back during the Death in the Family too. Batgirl, I'm not too sure about. I remember her getting a hit on Batman. I just see Batman as a better fighter, maybe not martial artist, but fighter.

I can feel the near light flight speed, but not super speed when running...at least not that fast. I guess what would make him a bit more I dunno...on level playing field is his vunerability sometimes is WAY too damn high. I understand he is invunerable to everything but magic and kryptonite...(at least that's what DC says..it's not true obviously). I guess I liked Superman's power level in the movies (yes the movies). He was powerful, but not god-like. I always like my villains stronger than the heroes, it shows the heroes are heroes for a reason.

 

[The Leaguer]

I got a question about Aztek: was it any good? From what I've read about it, it was pretty decent, so why was it cancelled? Just not enough interest? Are there any trades? I've always wanted to read it.

 

[Blue Lantern]

Could Green Lantern make kryptonite? Kryptonite is green.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Is the Superman in the JLA cartoon supposed to be an extremely waterred down version because I have actually watched a couple times and both times Superman gets knocked out pretty easibly and seems to have about the same level of strength if only just as J'onn and WW and certainly nothing beyond.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by Blue Lantern
Could Green Lantern make kryptonite? Kryptonite is green.

now thats a stupid question.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by Ahura Mazda
Is the Superman in the JLA cartoon supposed to be an extremely waterred down version because I have actually watched a couple times and both times Superman gets knocked out pretty easibly and seems to have about the same level of strength if only just as J'onn and WW and certainly nothing beyond.

Yes they all are watered down. except Wonder Woman and Hawk girl. Everyone else is shadow of the true character. But it's still a good show oddly enough.

 

[Bat-Mantis]

Yeah, the JL cartoon isn't a good place to learn about the characters... at all, really.
John Stewart is apparently better in the cartoon but the Green Lantern Corps isn't around anymore. In the cartoon he doesn’t’ have the weakness to yellow, which may or may not be how it currently is in the comics… not sure.
Hawkgirl is completely different... her mace isn't magical or electrified in the comics, she isn't from Thanagar anymore (an older incarnation, which is the one in the cartoons now, was... but the current one is not), her wings are natural in the cartoon, they are not in the comics. She’s lacking Hawkman, which has always been essential to the character (minus a few months in the current JSA series where she was solo). Her motivation for being on Earth is different (I think... I'm reading the old Hawkworld series now, her true motivations may be revealed later in the books and I haven't gotten there yet).
Superman’s powers fluctuate in the cartoon (as they often do in the comics) to make the situation more exciting or to be convenient to the story. They’re more inconsistent in the cartoon, though.
And I don’t think Wally West is as annoying in the comics as he is in the cartoon. I don’t think he’s a perv in the comics either.
Wonder Woman seems to be pretty accurate, but that’s mainly because I’m not very familiar with the comic version of the character.

 

[Darthphere]

I only know that Hal was the Green Lantern that was affected by yellow.

 

[Bat-Mantis]

The entire Corps were affected by yellow, I know Kyle doesn't have that weakness anymore but I wasn't sure about John or Guy because they were actual members of the Corps... I... think.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

John's not affected by yellow anymore because his ring came from Kyle's.

 

[Anubis]

So if Kyle died, would John loose his ring?

 

[Tropico]

Aztek: I didn't read the comic so I can't say if it was good or not. What I HAVE learned is that even if a comic has good stories, what matters is how much money it was doing. I think AzteK was even part of the League for a while? I haven't seen any trades for it.

Ring Kryptonite: Though an energy construct could imitate the appaearance of Kryptonite, I very much doubt that it could duplicate it's radiation. As far as I know GL rings don't create matter, but are rather energy fabrications of the same kind of emeralf energy.

JL Cartoon: Though some characters are watered down, like Superman; others have some exaggerated traits. Wally is much hornier and "jokey" than what he has ever been in the comics. Hawkgirl's hot-headedness is also uncommon for her. Even in her current incarnation, I don't think she's as eager to fight as the cartoon. I would have to agree with the other posts in that the cartoon isn't an accurate portrayal of the characters. To be fair, not many media adhere faithfully to the source.

 

[Tropico]

Originally posted by Anubis
So if Kyle died, would John loose his ring?

That's a good question. I read in one of the threads that Kyle's ring didn't have the A.I. the other rings have. Does it mean that the ring won't search for a succesor then?

 

[yenaled]

Johns ring is the ring Hal Jorden left behind when he went back to his own time line, and it should have the yellow weakness because all corp rings were the same, until Kles prototype ring.

 

[The Leaguer]

Originally posted by Tropico
Aztek: I didn't read the comic so I can't say if it was good or not. What I HAVE learned is that even if a comic has good stories, what matters is how much money it was doing. I think AzteK was even part of the League for a while? I haven't seen any trades for it.

He was part of the league. I think Grant Morrison wrote him, so it made sense that he would work Aztek into his JLA. Thats where I've seen him, and I liked him.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally posted by Tropico
JL Cartoon: Though some characters are watered down, like Superman; others have some exaggerated traits. Wally is much hornier and "jokey" than what he has ever been in the comics. Hawkgirl's hot-headedness is also uncommon for her. Even in her current incarnation, I don't think she's as eager to fight as the cartoon. I would have to agree with the other posts in that the cartoon isn't an accurate portrayal of the characters. To be fair, not many media adhere faithfully to the source.

From what I've seen, Hawkgirl is basically a female version of Hawkman, with the personality Carter's been showing in his series and JSA lately and the backstory of Katar Hol.

Flash is INCREDIBLY depowered in the cartoon. I mean, Superman was bad for a while because he kept getting knocked out, but he was brought closer to his comic version's power level in the second season, when they also changed his face to look more like the '90s Superman cartoon. But Flash is by far the worst case of power misrepresentation in the JLA cartoon.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Thankyou to all the responses - I never read the comics and based on the couple of cartoons I saw - I just felt it was somehow contrived in order to 1. have pretty equal standings and 2. find some comic relief.

Then again I have only seen it twice and I think they were both shows from the 1st season.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The first season wasn't that great. The show's definitely gotten better along the way, though. "Starcrossed," the 3-episode conclusion to the last season, was f***ing incredible.

 

[Bat-Mantis]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
From what I've seen, Hawkgirl is basically a female version of Hawkman, with the personality Carter's been showing in his series and JSA lately and the backstory of Katar Hol.

I've read Carter as being a little more... well, he's not as eager to fight, but he will fight if needed. And he's certainly not as outspoken as the cartoon Hawkgirl.
I think the Cartoon version is a pretty steady parallel of the comic version of Shayera Thal from Thanagar: a loud, mean, scrappy, godless Thanagarian cop. The comic Shayera even dated a black guy for a while.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

True, Carter's not quite as belligerent. I don't know if you read JSA and/or Hawkman, but there was an arc recently called "Black Reign" that showed quite a different Hawkman than we're used to seeing. He cut off a villain's arm and tore off Northwind's wings.

 

[Bat-Mantis]

Oh, Hawkman is one mean SOB. Always been kind of a ruthless guy... I remember (and love) a really quick scene in his own book, happened a while back though, that he clocked a purse-snatcher HARD with his mace. The people who were victimized by the snatcher were like, "Call the police!" *sees the bloody body of the purse snatcher* "No... maybe we should call an ambulance..." (or something similar, I’m paraphrasing)
Carter isn’t afraid to get rough when need-be. But Shayera, both comic and cartoon versions, seemed to be looking for a fight (at least to me they did) while Carter is cool unless provoked… then he gets rough.

I think Carter comes off as a jerk sometimes because he thinks he knows it all. And really, I think he does know it all. He’s got thousands of years of experience over these other people and he doesn’t feel like he needs to explain himself to everyone… he expects respect and expects what he says to be -at the very least- heavily considered. That gives him this essence of attitude.
While I think Shayera just had a temper and no tolerance for people who sat around and talked instead of striking first.
Shayera would think and say something like, “What in the hell is all this discussion about? Just cave their skulls in, it’s that simple!”
Carter would say, “Cave their skulls in. It’s that simple.” While thinking, ‘I’ve seen this all before. Hundreds of times. We sit and wait and discuss and debate and innocent people suffer for it. Hit him hard, hit him fast and make sure he never has the chance to hit back. It’s the only way.’

 

[Anubis]

That is one dead on assesment of Carter Hall there Bats.

Oh and Azetek is dead. Died in World War III. Kind of a pointless death if you ask me. Didn't kill the black sun thing, only hurt it enough that it let Supes go. I never read anything about him before I bought that trade, so I just said oh well to his death. Didn't like his costume anyway, kinda electro inspired.

 

[X]

Originally posted by Bat-Mantis
Oh, Hawkman is one mean SOB. Always been kind of a ruthless guy... I remember (and love) a really quick scene in his own book, happened a while back though, that he clocked a purse-snatcher HARD with his mace. The people who were victimized by the snatcher were like, "Call the police!" *sees the bloody body of the purse snatcher* "No... maybe we should call an ambulance..." (or something similar, I’m paraphrasing)
Carter isn’t afraid to get rough when need-be. But Shayera, both comic and cartoon versions, seemed to be looking for a fight (at least to me they did) while Carter is cool unless provoked… then he gets rough.

I think Carter comes off as a jerk sometimes because he thinks he knows it all. And really, I think he does know it all. He’s got thousands of years of experience over these other people and he doesn’t feel like he needs to explain himself to everyone… he expects respect and expects what he says to be -at the very least- heavily considered. That gives him this essence of attitude.
While I think Shayera just had a temper and no tolerance for people who sat around and talked instead of striking first.
Shayera would think and say something like, “What in the hell is all this discussion about? Just cave their skulls in, it’s that simple!”
Carter would say, “Cave their skulls in. It’s that simple.” While thinking, ‘I’ve seen this all before. Hundreds of times. We sit and wait and discuss and debate and innocent people suffer for it. Hit him hard, hit him fast and make sure he never has the chance to hit back. It’s the only way.’

A moment that comes to mind. Carter going after a highjacked plane that was holding people who had just robbed some place. Hawkman flies right up to the windshield and smashes it in with his mace, whacks this guy with a mace, gets punches in the face by this dude, bleeds, has the meanest look on his face ever as blood runs out of his nose, throws that guy out of the plane, and then just kicks ass and eventually lands it. Good stuff.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Carter's brutality came back to bite him in the ass later on, though. He went through a major (and this is just a coincidence, I swear) identity crisis recently in his title and during the "Black Reign" crossover with JSA. He thought, after lifetime upon lifetime inexorably tied to warfare and bloodshed, that he was little more than an animal in a man's clothes. It was done pretty well.

 

[Bat-Mantis]

He fought with that back when the Gentleman Ghost popped up and persuaded that cop to shoot his girlfriend, too. The Gentleman Ghost was a guy Hawkman had killed in a former life and it came back to haunt him... literally.
But Hawkman is still one violent bastard. Just a few issues ago he stopped that getaway car with his mace (which was badass) and the terrorist guy was like, “Please give me mercy!” *Carter raises mace over his head* “This is your mercy.” ... awesome stuff. Hawkgirl hooked his mace and didn’t let him clobber the guy, by the way.
Now the book is exploring some things that, if done right, can be very riveting. Like post-traumatic stress syndrome… nightmares of the thousands of horrible things he’s seen in his past lives and how he’s dealing with them in his own personal life (locking himself away in isolation, then shoving forward and getting himself a woman to try to snap out of it).
Hawkman is certainly a rich character and I find him extremely interesting. The possibilities with this guy are endless… that is, if you get a writer that knows how to write him. Hawkman isn’t the easiest character to write and I think he's an acquired taste.