Gotham The Official Gotham News and discussion thread - Part 5




Sneak peaks of the first season 5 episode.
 
Bumpity bump bump.




Glorious, just glorious. So pumped for this season.

Wish-list:

- Want one last round of Penguin Vs Riddler.

- Selina to embrace her inner darkness.

- Bruce Vs Jeremiah to be exactly what it seems like it's going to be.

- Gordon to end up with a woman who's not Lee or Barbara.

- Bullock to be awesome.

- Want Penguin to finish his revenge on Tabitha and Barbara.

- Ivy - Penguin reunion.

- BATMAN!
 
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I love the new trailer so much!! So excited for S5!!!
 
EXCL: Gotham's Mazouz Teases His Transformation into the Dark Knight

In the time of Gotham's greatest need, a Dark Knight will rise. With the subtitle “Legend of the Dark Knight,” Season 5 promises Bruce Wayne’s long-awaited transformation into Batman. Seeing as the beleaguered city was cut off from the rest of the world in the Season 4 finale, Gotham is going to need all the help it can get, but it seems the young vigilante is more than up to the challenge.

Speaking to CBR during a set visit in October, Gotham star David Mazouz offered some insight into Bruce Wayne’s role in No Man’s Land. He teased his character’s dynamic with Cameron Monaghan’s Jeremiah, explained how their relationship reflects an iconic dynamic from Batman lore and hinted at a major showdown. He also discussed Bruce Wayne’s non-vigilante approach to helping Gotham, his evolving relationship with Jim Gordon and more.

CBR: What has it been like for you to step into Bruce’s role as the Dark Knight?

Mazouz: It’s been really fun! It’s been fun. Every time we do, we have another rehearsal. We actually have this really epic kind of iconic fight between Bruce and Jeremiah that we just rehearsed, coming up, and it’s so much fun. I mean, our stunt guys are so good. They always know exactly what they’re doing. I’m always so impressed. You know, they always kind of come in – before they show me the fight – and they’re always like, “You know, you can always change anything.” And I’m always like, “Okay, yeah, well, I have an idea of what I’d kind of like to see.” And then they hit it right on and it’s always perfect. It’s great. It’s great!

I mean, it’s kind of weird, stepping into this role, because it’s a whole other kind of role, in a way, and the scrutiny and pressure that comes with that has kind of been in the back of my mind, but also I’m mainly just excited. I’m excited for the fans of the show that have kind of stuck around five seasons waiting to see this. I’m excited for them to finally see it.

What’s the dynamic between Bruce and Jeremiah like this season?

Mazouz: It’s at its most adversarial ever – than it’s ever been. There’s going to be a big showdown between the two. Jeremiah is kind of snaking his head around corners for the first part of the season, and then he has his time to shine and, boy, is it climactic. Yeah, he really goes after Bruce, and he kind of brings this very Joker-esque dogma that he and Bruce are long-lost best friends and that one can’t survive without the other, which is obviously very reminiscent of the Joker’s relationship with Batman, and of course Bruce hates Jeremiah more than anything and Jeremiah thinks they’re best friends. But again, Bruce doesn’t kill so he can’t kill Jeremiah and Jeremiah loves Bruce so he can’t kill Bruce, so it’s kind of this, you know, unfortunately never-ending cycle of fighting between the two.

He’s fighting his way through it. Really. Yeah, we pick up at the beginning of the season and it’s three months after the events of Season 4 left off and he’s tired. He’s working to create a clean water system. He’s working to bring medicine to the people of Gotham. Food. And it’s hard! It’s all really hard. Every step that they take forward comes with three steps back… He’s kind of working very intimately with Gordon and the GCPD this season, and they just kind of keep working as hard as they can, just eyes forward.

Can you elaborate on that relationship between Gordon and Bruce?

Mazouz: Yeah! I think that’s kind of one of the most important dynamics of the season. It’s something that really gets highlighted. They really create this solid partnership, which I think that last scene at the end of Season 4 with them on the rooftop, kind of shaking hands with the light looking out onto the city, that’s kind of what that scene was alluding to. It was alluding to the fact that this relationship, this partnership will be stronger than ever and that this alliance will be more important than ever in the coming season. It does not disappoint that promise.

You know, Gordon kind of always saw Bruce as a kid and, even though Bruce was off doing his own thing, taking down his own bad guys, even until the end of Season 4 – until that scene, really – Gordon kind of dismissed Bruce’s involvement in any of Gordon’s work. However, now in Season 5, they finally kind of have reached this understanding and they’re working together and it’s very exciting.

Can you tease your favorite moment or scene from what you’ve filmed so far?

Mazouz: My favorite moment, I think… we haven’t actually shot it yet, but I will tease it. We’re shooting it next week, I think. It’s what I talked about before – it’s this very iconic fight between Bruce and Jeremiah, which is very reminiscent of other very famous incarnations of the Joker. So it’s very iconic and I’m very excited to do it.
 
Every little thing I hear gets me more hyped to watch, but remorseful that this has to be the final season.
 
'Gotham's Morena Baccarin Explains Lee's Complicated Changes in Season 5
When fans last saw Dr. Leslie Thompkins at the end of Gotham Season 4, she had been fatally stabbed by lover/rival Edward Nygma. Of course, Lee also returned the favor, subjecting Nygma to the same fate. However, in the final minutes of the season, it was revealed that both characters had been taken to the mad scientist known as Hugo Strange, teasing that Lee would probably be brought back to life with some sort of dangerous twist.

There's no telling what Strange will do to Lee and Nygma while they're under his "care," but it's safe to say it probably isn't good, whatever it is.

During a visit to the Gotham set this year, ComicBook.com spoke with star Morena Baccarin about what's in store for Lee when the final season arrives.

"Yeah, I mean where we find Lee, she has no recollection of what happened to her after she got stabbed," Baccarin told us. "So she is nowhere. She is just sort of in a daze. And everybody is, where we find Gotham and everybody is a state of complete post-apocalyptic chaos, in a way. And so she's eventually joins up to help figure out how to get out. How can we get Gotham out of this no man's land? The thing that she knows how to do best is help people, and be a doctor, so she can do that."

As far as what Strange does to Lee, Baccarin wouldn't say. However she did reveal that she would be changing quite drastically from time to time, as if some sort of switch was controlling her.

"She's been altered," Baccarin added. "It's a very temporary thing. It's like a switch, basically. An on/off switch."
What do you think will become of Lee Thompkins in Gotham Season 5? Will she end up with Jim Gordon? Let us know in the comments below!

Gotham's fifth and final season arrives on Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 8 pm ET on FOX.
 
'Gotham's Cameron Monaghan Excited to Bring "ACE Chemicals" Episode to Life

Gotham is taking the show's story and characters as close as possible to the DC Comics source material. Of course, that includes the origin of Batman's arch rival, Joker.
  • Jeremiah Valeska is basically Gotham's version of the Joker in everything but name, but that could change this season. One of the final episodes is titled "ACE Chemicals," a nod to the factory where Joker was created in the comics. In the full trailer for Gotham Season 5, we got a glimpse of the factory itself, and it will play home to a major showdown between Bruce and Jeremiah.

    During a visit to the Gotham set earlier this year, ComicBook.com spoke with star Cameron Monaghan about the upcoming trip to ACE Chemicals and, while he couldn't say much, he was quick to share his excitement for what the show has cooked up.

    "Yeah. I mean it's obviously a huge landmark within the mythos and it is relating to Jeremiah," Monaghan told us. "I don't want to say exactly what happens and how it goes down but it's really, really ****ing cool. I'm excited for it."

    Monaghan went on to explain that Jeremiah's mission is far from complete going into Season 5. Despite successfully creating No Man's Land, he still has it out for Bruce Wayne.

    "It was interesting in the last season," he continued. "His plan succeeded. He destroyed Gotham. He marooned it. He created his maze and his image and all this stuff, which is rare for any villain to succeed. So I think that he's enjoying that he's king of the roost and he's sort of working within the shadows with a lot of respect and he's sort of the big boogeyman in the city right now. I think he's enjoying that and it's giving him a sense of ego and hubris. He has got a girlfriend now and he's more successful than he's ever been.

    "I think that what's driving him right now and what his plan and what he's building is, he's always working or building something, is Bruce. Bruce is his special project. It's the one thing that's bothering him and nagging him because it's the one thing he didn't succeed at. That's what we see with him now is he's happyish but he's still unsatisfied because he needs to show Bruce how much he loves him, or his twisted version of love."

    Are you looking forward to Gotham's final season? What will become of Jeremiah by the time all is said and done? Let us know in the comments!

    Gotham's fifth and final season will debut on Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 8 pm ET on FOX.
 
Hopefully John Stephens changed his mind about what he said before and doesn't introduce a third Cameron Monaghan character out of the blue.
 
Hopefully John Stephens changed his mind about what he said before and doesn't introduce a third Cameron Monaghan character out of the blue.

I hope so, because they got to introduce Bane and other things they couldn’t use before! I’m going to be disappointed if they do a fakeout! :argh::csad:

I mean, what would be the point of bringing in Ace Chemicals?
 
Gotham's Monaghan Teases Jeremiah's Girlfriend & 'Weird Complexes'

Jeremiah Valeska is sitting on top of the world. After all, he got what he wanted in the Gotham Season 4 finale when he isolated the beleaguered city from the rest of the world, triggering Season 5's "No Man's Land" storyline. These days, he's spending some time with his girlfriend and enjoying himself. However, there's one thing bothering him: his relationship with Bruce Wayne.
During a visit to the Gotham set in October, star Cameron Monaghan explained to CBR his character's obsession with Bruce Wayne, and teased how Jeremiah's success in the Season 4 finale will impact him in the final season.


CBR: What is Jeremiah's role in "No Man's Land"?

Cameron Monaghan: You know, when we come back to the season, we're not seeing a lot of him initially and he's operating more as this boogeyman within the shadows and he's pretty frightening because of it, but -- you know -- I will say that, because he has succeeded in his goal, he's gaining these weird complexes. He's enjoying himself a lot and he's becoming a bit more heightened and joyful because of it. He's gaining this weird ego and hubris and it's this hubris that's causing him to slip away a bit in his stability and sanity because of it. You know, he's got a girlfriend now, and he's more accomplished than he was before, but he has one thing that he didn't succeed at, and that is his relationship with Bruce.
Because Jeremiah is such an obsessive personality, it's this relationship that's driving him and he's building this very, very elaborate plan to try to turn Bruce into his way of thinking. I think he's doing it because he has this weird, twisted love for him. He has this strange admiration, and I think it's Jeremiah's last handhold into humanity and vulnerability is his relationship with Bruce. So that's what we're really exploring and pushing with this season, and it's really fun to be able to make him more heightened because of it.
How is Jeremiah's dynamic with Bruce going to evolve?

He's continuing to do what he did in the last season, in that he's attacking him in extremely personal ways. You know, he wants to connect himself to Bruce and Bruce's history and his life, so he's going to be targeting things within what Bruce cares about to get to him, essentially.

Airing Thursdays at 8 p.m. ET/PT on Fox, Gotham stars Ben McKenzie as James Gordon, Donal Logue as Harvey Bullock, David Mazouz as Bruce Wayne, Robin Lord Taylor as Penguin, Camren Bicondova as Selina Kyle, Erin Richards as Barbara Kean and Sean Pertwee as Alfred Pennyworth. The fifth and final season is scheduled to premiere on January 3.
 
We... already knew about this for months. Seriously, they literally just copied and pasted the same article they wrote months ago.

I'd say I'm surprised, but this is CBR we're talking about. Gotta get 'dem clicks.
 
'Gotham': Cameron Monaghan Didn't Know if Fans Would Connect With Jerome

'Gotham': Cameron Monaghan Didn't Know if Fans Would Connect With Jerome
  • Gotham, fully embracing the twisted elements of the Joker to provide Bruce Wayne with a psychotic and worthy adversary. Both characters have been incredibly well-written, but its the performance of Cameron Monaghan that has made the Valeskas so memorable.

    Since his debut as Jerome in the show's second season, Monaghan has won over the hearts of fans with his inspired performances. While Jerome, and now Jeremiah, quickly became a crucial part of the fabric of the series itself, Monaghan wasn't sure if the fans would even be into his performance.
    During a visit to the set of Gotham earlier this year, ComicBook.com spoke to Monaghan about his two proto-Joker roles, and he said that he thought that he could have been finished after just one appearance as Jerome.

    "No, I didn't know what to expect," Monaghan admitted. "I didn't know for sure if I was going to do more than that one interrogation scene in that first episode I was in. I didn't know if I was going to be able to touch the character again, so to be able to have this much fun and to give multiple iterations of that character and then to play another version of this, it's been insane. It's been so cool."


    Of course, as we all know now, Jerome was an instant hit with fans. After his debut in Arkham Asylum, Jerome was an immediate mainstay, with viewers asking to see more of him right away.

    Jerome is no longer on the series, but his Season 4 death paved the way for Jeremiah, his even more dangerous twin brother, who emulates a more calculated version of the Joker

    "I've enjoyed them both for different reasons," Monaghan said. "It was cool with Jerome how it was so heightened and kind of cartoony and insane and I could go in any direction with it because he was just this weird ball of destructive energy. It's nice with Jeremiah to find some glimpses of humanity within him and to bring him back and to make him colder and more chilling in his [methods]. I'm also doing something a little different with this season as we're continuing to develop the character than where he was at last. He was very systematic and completely irrational last season. Now he's starting to, because he's starting to lose his sanity and he's slipping away without even realizing that he is. He has too much of an ego to realize that he's slipping. I get to play around more and move around more within the character and I'm having a bunch of fun with this part, too, and also where it's going is extremely exciting and I can't wait to hit a couple of these story weeks that are coming up."

    Which Valeska brother is your favorite? Are you looking forward to what Jeremiah will bring to Season 5? Let us know in the comments!

    Gotham's fifth and final season is set to arrive on Thursday, January 3, 2019 on FOX.
 
Holy s***.

Incredible! :wow::mrk::joker:

Based on the teases that Jeremiah is losing his mind, I have a theory that is because of Crane’s gas. I think it could be slow acting and at first, it only changed him physically, but as time goes on, well...
 
DC TV Watch: How 'Gotham's' Final Season Sets Up Batman's Beginning

Five years of comic book-inspired villains, noir gang power struggles and vigilante hero training has all led to this: the final season of Gotham.

With only 12 episodes of the series remaining (bringing its final count to 100), Fox's Batman prequel has a lot of loose ends to tie up before the young Bruce Wayne (David Mazouz) can wear the cape and cowl for which he's destined. And with the season four cliffhanger of Jeremiah (Cameron Monaghan) blowing up all the bridges and cutting Gotham off from the rest of the world, bringing the "No Man's Land" arc from the comics to life, the series couldn't be any further from that end goal. All the core characters are separated from each other as the city falls into total anarchy. Jim Gordon (Ben McKenzie) is stuck in Gotham with only a small contingency of police as Penguin (Robin Lord Taylor) and the other criminals start dividing up land and resources.

With so much ground to cover in a limited amount of time, executive producer John Stephens tells The Hollywood Reporter that viewers should expect "a velocity to the story that we've never had before."

"We move really quickly," Stephens says, standing on the Wayne Manor kitchen set in between takes in filming one of the most critical moments of the series to date. "We tried to build out the character moments as well. Sometimes we've had so much plot that we had to squeeze out some of the character stuff and now that it's the last chance we have to be with these characters, we're letting them live in these moments. And we're letting the comedy really play again which comes from the characters."

But Stephens also admits that this final run of episodes will be more emotional than ever before. "There are really moving moments throughout the entire season," he says. "For all the action and gore and violence, I actually feel it's quite a moving season. We put Gordon through the ringer emotionally."

And it's all leading up to the series finale, which Stephens reveals is "slightly modified but it's essentially the same ending" that's been planned from the beginning of the show five years ago. "When I came on the show in season one, [creator] Bruno [Heller] pitched me what he saw the ending as and it's very close to that, his initial idea," Stephens adds.

Feeling a "sense of responsibility" for the fans "so that everybody feels satisfied when they come to the end," Stephens reveals the main priority of the series finale was getting viewers to "now understand why this is the time that Batman chose to arrive in the city and what Jim's journey was through the course of this series."

"We're telling the long-term story of the city that created Batman so we want to feel like that story came to a satisfying end," Stephens says. That means the end of Gotham is officially the beginning of Batman.

Bringing "No Man's Land" to life

But before fans can see how it all ends, the last chapter of the series must begin. The season five premiere kicks off with a title card of "No Man's Land, Day 391," representing a significant time jump from the season four finale. The "No Man's Land" arc was a highly-popular crossover published across all the Batman titles in 1999, where the city falls into complete criminal anarchy, and season five begins right in the middle of the worst of it.

"We've been planning [this arc] for about three years now," Stephens says. "It's a cataclysmic event in the history of the city, so we had to save it for the end. Once we knew that we were only going to do one more season, it was like, now's the time!"

Bringing "No Man's Land" to life on the show was something that Stephens always planned on doing, but he stresses that because the show has taken liberties with each individual's specific evolution and journey, this is going to be an adaptation and not a straight retelling of the comic book source material.

"We can't be religious about it because there are such obvious differences but we follow it in terms of inspiration," Stephens says. "The city is divided up into fiefdoms. Jim and the GCPD have their area, Penguin is the most powerful person in No Man's Land."

Sitting in one of the new sets for the season, McKenzie tells The Hollywood Reporter that while they're not following all the iconic story beats from the comics, the way that Gotham is interpreting the "No Man's Land" arc is right for the final season.

"We are certainly going out of our way with the end of our show, the final season, to pepper the season with lots of answers to questions fans have posed over the course of the series, like, 'When are we going to see this? When are we going to see this?'" McKenzie says. "We definitely are trying to satisfy a lot of those demands, those requests for certain specific characters to appear, specific interactions to occur, things like that. We're leaning into that pretty hard."

And knowing that this was the final season in advance means they're not holding back on all the epic moments fans have been waiting to see. "It frees us up to finally embrace that total anarchy this season," McKenzie says. "What we didn't want to do is in our final season have that feel like all the rest. We wanted it to have a looseness and grandeur so it felt like it would really culminate in something that would pay off all of what we've been building towards."

The Blue Boys

In the comic book version of "No Man's Land," the GCPD becomes fractured as different factions of the good guys go to war with each other as the Blue Boys v. the Strong Men. But McKenzie reveals that on the show, the GCPD "largely keeps a united front."

"The fact of the matter is, there are so many other competing hostile factions outside that the GCPD has this siege mentality and has to hunker down to protect each other," McKenzie says. "We will see when Eduardo Dorrance [aka Bane played by Shane West] comes in with his military contingent later this season and that will create a new dynamic within the good guys where it becomes a little more factionalized, a little more conflict with the good guys."

As for that highly-anticipated Bane appearance, Stephens stayed tight-lipped. "Shane comes in and plays a strong, angry man," he says with a laugh. "I'll leave it at that. He's great, and he's going to crush it. He crushes some people and it's really wonderful."

Thankfully, Gordon will have his best friend Harvey Bullock (Donal Logue) back at his side after a few seasons of conflict between the two former partners previously kept them apart.

"Harvey is backing whatever Jim's play is," Logue says of Harvey's final season story. "We're in survivalist mode. We've created this green zone around the GCPD that we control and Harvey is hanging on, surviving, and doesn't necessarily want to take the extra measures required to be these incredibly philanthropic superheroes who are trying to save everybody in No Man's Land. He thinks it's a futile task but it's something that Jim is obsessed with, and Harvey, more than anything, will back any play of Jim's at this point. Jim is his true north."

Batman's final training

With the city under siege, it makes for the perfect final training experience for Bruce Wayne to become Batman. But will fans see Mazouz put on the iconic Batman costume before the series finale is over? "The training of Batman takes a back seat a lot this season because there is so much going on, so much action – we really do fit 22 episodes' worth of action and story into these last episodes," Mazouz teases. "But you will see a fully-formed Batman, I just can't tell you how or when or why. You will see one."

While THR can't reveal any details about the scene Mazouz was filming that day on set, the costumes, characters and makeup promise that it will be one of the most epic Batman moments of the series. "This season is filled with hints to canonical moments in the story," Mazouz says. "This episode in particular is very reminiscent to the most famous Batman comic book and there are moments all fans will recognize."

Something that can be revealed about what's coming for Bruce in the finale season? Bats. "We have bats this season," Stephens teases. "Bruce has his first big, real encounter with a bunch of bats, a storm of bats."

And the way the series finale ends is something that Mazouz doesn't think anyone will see coming as he was blown away by it himself. "The way we end it, it really gives fans everything they've been asking for since the beginning," Mazouz adds.

Batman v. Joker

Throughout four seasons and counting, Gotham has never come out and directly called either one of Cameron Monaghan's multiple characters of Jerome and then his twin Jeremiah as the Joker. But both Monaghan and Mazouz tease that the final season will feature some very recognizable Batman v. Joker storylines, so fans can interpret that however they want. Does that mean that Jeremiah is actually the Joker?

"We're seeing a development in Jeremiah's personality and temperament," Monaghan teases when asked once more if he's playing the Joker. "At the end of last season, he did something really weird for a villain in which he basically succeeded. Now he has spent a few months between seasons enjoying it and growing more of an ego from it. He has developed this hubris and sense of comfort in himself which he didn't have before. That's causing a certain level of instability within him."

He pauses, then adds, "He's still very intelligent, a genius, but his genius is now obsessive in weird places. He's slipping in his sanity. The majority of his plot line this season is his strange in his mind 'friendship' with Bruce. It's this last little glimpse of his vulnerability and humanity within his relationship with Bruce."

Certainly sounds like the Joker, doesn't it? And Mazouz's description of Bruce and Jeremiah's relationship in the final season only further cements that idea. "Bruce and Jeremiah this season is very reminiscent of the Joker/Batman relationship," Mazouz says. "The Joker lives for the game of toying with Batman but he never wants to defeat Batman because then his joy would be gone. He thrives off of escaping from Arkham and creating problems for Batman and this is no different – Jeremiah thinks he's best friends with Bruce and he doesn't want to kill or hurt his best friend. He just wants to hurt everyone around his best friend."

As for how that relationship works the other way around, Mazouz just laughs. "Bruce hates him but he can't end the cycle because he's vowed not to kill him," he adds. "But it's very exciting how Bruce takes him down and there is one of the most iconic fights which is the moment I'm most excited for this season. It has a lot of hints to a couple of very famous Joker storylines between Bruce and Jeremiah."

Penguin's in power

Years of planning finally paid off for Penguin in the season four finale. He played the long game and got his revenge on Butch (Drew Powell) and Tabitha (Jessica Lucas) for killing his mother way back in season two. And with Gotham falling into criminal anarchy, he couldn't be more perfectly positioned to grab power. Out of everyone, Penguin's actually starting season five in the best place.

"He achieved his revenge at the same time Gotham falls into Armageddon so immediately Oswald sees an opportunity," Taylor tells The Hollywood Reporter sitting on the set of the Sirens bar. "It was the opportunity for Oswald to come in an establish his version of order and rebuild Gotham in his image. He now has his eyes solely on being the king of Gotham again after successfully bringing years of planning of revenge to fruition. This breakdown of control gives him that chance."

And for once, his place is actually foolproof. "He goes right for the big prize which is City Hall," Taylor says with a laugh. "He's now in control of some of the biggest resources in Gotham. Things have to filter through him in the seat of government. Having been mayor before, he knows how the system works so it's sort of appropriate in this twisted Gothamsort of way. This season, he's a war profiteer. He's in control of all the ammunition in Gotham. It's crazy. Season five, we're going for it!"

Back from the dead ... again

Lee (Morena Baccarin) and Nygma (Cory Michael Smith) ended season four on a pretty ominous note, having just stabbed each other (seemingly to death). But Hugo Strange (BD Wong) got his hands on their bodies, meaning they're not only coming back from the dead, but they're also definitely about to undergo some serious changes.

Baccarin confirms that she's playing a much different version of Lee in the final season. "She's definitely changed, he's definitely been messing with her," she says. "But in a weird way what has happened has also brought the old Lee back a little bit. There's a crazy switch that's going back and forth."

While the main goal of all the characters this season is directly tied to the anarchy of "No Man's Land" and either escaping it or helping the chaos thrive, Baccarin reveals that Lee's arc helps the character come full circle. "Repair is a word that is pretty relevant right now to Lee's character for herself and Gotham and Jim and how everything can move forward given everything that's happened?" she says. "And is there a way forward? Those are the big questions for the season."
 
I'm gonna be really, really pi**ed off if they throw another bait-and-switch at us with Jeremiah.

They're advertising him so much this season, I'd be shocked if he isn't the Joker.
 
Agreed. When you go this far, then it means THIS, aka Jeremiah is Joker. By going through all of this and not having him as the Joker, instead giving us a third person to be that role. It would be them trying to go ahead with their original idea, which in the end, not only doesn't work, they're in denial that it would ever work. Like, for example, sticking to the "no tights, no flights" and the original intention for Smallville, even when it was very clear it wasn't that anymore, and they needed to realize they were making a Superman (origin) show, ultimately.
 

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