The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 8

[Kirmit]

Running speed and reaction speed are to different things, he also showed superior reaction speed when catching Mjolnir so yes he used this power as well.

Hulk is not Thor, he's not going to pick and choose which powers he's going to use so just because he didn't do a thundner clap it doesn't meant he wasn't going all out.

Well there may be different things but he has both of them, also shown when he caught the pilot after the emergency eject.

Well we have to factor in Banner here, how much influence does he have on Hulk? TIH seemed to suggest he atleast has some, was Banner's influence stopping Hulk from using those types of attacks because of the surrounding environment? If that's the case then yes it is holding back, even if only subconciously.

Anyway I can see this is just going to go back and forth so I'm stopping here and am just grateful two of my favourite heroes, Hulk and Thor got given the respect they deserve in The Avengers.

 

[Mjölnir]

I dont think he hit Caps shield harder, I just think the combination of Mjolnir and Vibranium is what caused the damage, afterall, Thor's hits didnt damage Iron Man much.

That Thor's hits didn't damage Iron Man much is yet another reason to think he's holding back because if the biggest dent he does is with a headbutt, then he's not hitting him full force with Mjolnir. And in the end we see him just swatting Iron Man away to make a big hit on Cap.

And I saw the reason for the destruction being that there was so much force that it didn't just get absorbed but got reversed.

Thor was using Mjolnir though, which gives him a bit of an advantage with the hits, down a straight punch from Thor would have put the fragment in as much.

I wouldnt say Thor was as durable as Hulk in that way, yes Thor survived the 5 mile drop, but so did Hulk who also had momentum from the explosion propelling him down.

Yes, as I said, Thor isn't as strong as Hulk. I was comparing the impacts of the blows because Hulk is an unarmed fighter and Mjolnir is part of Thor's character so that's the base line.

As for the drop, it's a bit hard to know how to think about that. Technically both would hit the ground at the same pace because they would level out at terminal velocity (the explosion was so far up that it's enhanced effect would have stopped after a hundred meters or two). But I'm not so sure the laws of physics work in the comics, so it's perhaps an irrelevant point. I just take away that they are both extremely durable from the fall scene.

Indeed, it makes me wonder what things we will get to discuss in Avengers 2 as well.

I don't know but hopefully we'll have yet another solo movie for each of the big four to drag into the equation by then.

Well, like the Leviathan, it would depend on were Hulk hit the helicarrier, a punch to a certain location would have incapacitated it probably.

Yes, if there's a weak spot (like the power source) that's within reach he could of course sink it. That would probably be a bit more due to luck since when Hulk is raging I don't think he thinks too much about how he attacks something. He just smashes.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That's because he was pulling the jet apart NOT punching it and like I said he wasn't just "punching" the leviathan".

He was bracing himsel for impact and using his fist to push the leviathan into stopping as evidenced by him keeping his fist up well after the punch.

He barely had a good grip on the Jet and was slipping, then he kept tearing it apart until the pilot finally decided to get the hell out, then soon after it went boom. That's like saying Hulk is suddenly weaker because he doesn't knock out the 2nd Leviathan immediately and instead takes his sweet time tearing it apart.

But again, look at the damage he did in the final battle, to an army, compared to the helicarrier? Sorry but I see him going all out in the final battle, NOT the helicarrier.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That Thor's hits didn't damage Iron Man much is yet another reason to think he's holding back because if the biggest dent he does is with a headbutt, then he's not hitting him full force with Mjolnir. And in the end we see him just swatting Iron Man away to make a big hit on Cap.

And I saw the reason for the destruction being that there was so much force that it didn't just get absorbed but got reversed.

Iron Man wasnt expecting that blow, hence why it could have been a swat, previously Thor's hits didnt have much effect to IM, or Hulk for that matter. I admit I do think in the IM fight he was holding back his strength a bit, but not once he was punched in the Hulk fight.

Yes, as I said, Thor isn't as strong as Hulk. I was comparing the impacts of the blows because Hulk is an unarmed fighter and Mjolnir is part of Thor's character so that's the base line.

As for the drop, it's a bit hard to know how to think about that. Technically both would hit the ground at the same pace because they would level out at terminal velocity (the explosion was so far up that it's enhanced effect would have stopped after a hundred meters or two). But I'm not so sure the laws of physics work in the comics, so it's perhaps an irrelevant point. I just take away that they are both extremely durable from the fall scene.


I don't know but hopefully we'll have yet another solo movie for each of the big four to drag into the equation by then.


Yes, if there's a weak spot (like the power source) that's within reach he could of course sink it. That would probably be a bit more due to luck since when Hulk is raging I don't think he thinks too much about how he attacks something. He just smashes.

Well yeah, all of this I pretty much agree with so no arguments here.

 

[BigThor]

It may be my memory but I remember him hitting Iron Man a few times with the hammer, plus, in his own movie he took out several Frost Giants with just a hammer throw, so they are quite powerful.

Nope, I just saw the movie yesterday and he never hit Iron Man with Mjolnir as hard as he hit Hulk. Yeah his hammer throws are quite powerful, but nothing can compare to Thor taking a baseball swing with Mjolnir which he never did against IM.

Plus Iron Man's armor was indeed dented up every time he was hit by Mjolnir which was twice as Thor hardly used Mjolnir in that fight.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Nope, I just saw the movie yesterday and he never hit Iron Man with Mjolnir as hard as he hit Hulk. Yeah his hammer throws are quite powerful, but nothing can compare to Thor taking a baseball swing with Mjolnir which he never did against IM.

Plus Iron Man's armor was indeed dented up every time he was hit by Mjolnir which was twice as Thor hardly used Mjolnir in that fight.

Must have been my memory then, I'm seeing it again tonight myself, cant wait!

 

[Mjölnir]

Iron Man wasnt expecting that blow, hence why it could have been a swat, previously Thor's hits didnt have much effect to IM, or Hulk for that matter. I admit I do think in the IM fight he was

I guess that's about as far as we'll get. I think that Thor won't go all out on people he doesn't intend to kill as he, for example, actually struck a hole in the giant creature on Jotunheim. If he'd had hit Iron Man with that I think he'd at least be dying, and I expect that Hulk would have been sent away a little more forcefully than staggering (what the actual effect on Hulk's health would be I don't know).

But we don't know and I guess the room for interpretation can be seen as part of the scene's greatness.

 

[BigThor]

Iron Man wasnt expecting that blow, hence why it could have been a swat, previously Thor's hits didnt have much effect to IM, or Hulk for that matter. I admit I do think in the IM fight he was holding back his strength a bit, but not once he was punched in the Hulk fight.

Like I said Thor not damaging IM with Mjolnir was CLEARLY due to holding back, as evidence by him being able to crush IM's armor with his bare hands.

Iron Man's helmet being dented has nothing to do with whether he was suprised or not, because his armor is metal not skin he can't "tense" up.

 

[Eggyman]

IM wouldn't have been able to keep it up for much longer in that fight. That was clear to me, and is completely logical.

 

[BigThor]

IM wouldn't have been able to keep it up for much longer in that fight. That was clear to me, and is completely logical.

Thor crushing IM'a armor with his bare hands was evidence that one full powered swing from Mjolnir porbably would've killed IM.

Mjolnir >>> Thor's hands

 

[Nathan]

But again, look at the damage he did in the final battle, to an army, compared to the helicarrier? Sorry but I see him going all out in the final battle, NOT the helicarrier.

He was fighting a single individual. So his rage was focused on a single target and he didn't run loose around the Helicarrier. He kept going after Thor. Even if his focus would have been the Helicarrier, he would have basically just punched holes into walls until the structural integrity would have been gone. It's not like the first Leviathan, which charged straight at him so he could just stop it's momentum.

 

[BigThor]

He was fighting a single individual. So his rage was focused on a single target and he didn't run loose around the Helicarrier. He kept going after Thor. Even if his focus would have been the Helicarrier, he would have basically just punched holes into walls until the structural integrity would have been gone. It's not like the first Leviathan, which charged straight at him so he could just stop it's momentum.

Exactly

Hulk definately wasn't stronger during the final battle, he merely had a larger play ground and larger targets in the final battle.

He was awesome no doubt about it, but to say Thor was going all out against him in there fight is just flat out wrong. The bottom line is Thor was fighting to keep Hulk from destroying everything while Hulk was fighting to "kill".

 

[Anti Goku]

I think hulk is only as strong as the place he is fighting at I'm not saying he can't get stronger in the helicarrier I'm saying there wasn't that much space. If the fight had been outside or like the desert a big space hulk strength would have increased faster and he would have all the space he wanted because in the helicarrier they were inside so there wasnt that much space kind of like in hulk 03 againsthe dogs If the fight had been inside a building it probably would have been much harder for hulk to fight them

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Exactly

Hulk definately wasn't stronger during the final battle, he merely had a larger play ground and larger targets in the final battle.

He was awesome no doubt about it, but to say Thor was going all out against him in there fight is just flat out wrong. The bottom line is Thor was fighting to keep Hulk from destroying everything while Hulk was fighting to "kill".

Sorry but I just cant agree with any of this, Hulk looked and acted FAR more powerful in the final battle than he did in the helicarrier sequence. If he was going all out to kill in the helicarrier, A LOT more damage would have been done to both Thor and the helicarrier.

To me, Hulk was more confused in the helicarrier, just striking out at anything he thought was a threat, hence him totally forgetting about Thor once the jet came along, and totally forgetting about BW once Thor came along. I dont think he was at full rage at all.

 

[BigThor]

Sorry but I just cant agree with any of this, Hulk looked and acted FAR more powerful in the final battle than he did in the helicarrier sequence. If he was going all out to kill in the helicarrier, A LOT more damage would have been done to both Thor and the helicarrier.

How?

The only huge strength feat Hulk did in the final battle was against the leviathan and that's already been explained. If you really don't think Hulk was going all out or trying to kill Thor in their fight then I'm gonna end this convo because clearly you're ignoring the obvious.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I really like how it was Stark that was able to convince Banner that The Hulk isn't his enemy or a separate entity but rather it's apart of him and can be used as a force for good. Much like Tony's Arc reactor.

 

[craigdbfan]

I really like how it was Stark that was able to convince Banner that The Hulk isn't his enemy or a separate entity but rather it's apart of him and can be used as a force for good. Much like Tony's Arc reactor.

The relationship between Banner and Tony was very well written. I think it helped that Ruffalo and Downey are actually good friends. That's why I think things worked out for the best. I know a lot of people wanted Norton but that type of chemistry wouldn't have been there between him and Tony had he been in The Avengers.

 

[Anti Goku]

I'm excited about to go see it again but early so there won't be that much people

 

[slinky317]

Sorry to derail this conversation... but was it ever explained WHY Loki intentionally got captured to get to the Hulk?

 

[BigThor]

Sorry to derail this conversation... but was it ever explained WHY Loki intentionally got captured to get to the Hulk?

Don't worry it was getting a bit "tedious" anyway.

To tear the team apart from the inside out by causing them to turn against each other.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

he knew hulk would destroy everything. Loki's plan kind if back fired lol.

 

[Oruku Saki]

Anybody that thinks Hulk was going all out in the Helicarrier is "an old man and a fool!". He was targeted specifically to Thor, and therefore wasn't worried about wrecking the ship. Based on his strength, and insane jumping at the end of the movie I would say he could have jumped straight up and out onto the deck at any time; Thor/and the pilot really saved the Helicarrier by keeping him occupied.

 

[Oruku Saki]

on a side-note: in Avengers 2 I REALLY need to see Hulk and Thor catch a falling Helicarrier; physics be damned!

 

[BigThor]

Anybody that thinks Hulk was going all out in the Helicarrier is "an old man and a fool!". He was targeted specifically to Thor, and therefore wasn't worried about wrecking the ship. Based on his strength, and insane jumping at the end of the movie I would say he could have jumped straight up and out onto the deck at any time; Thor/and the pilot really saved the Helicarrier by keeping him occupied.

I meant he was going all out against Thor himself, because if he was going all out against the helicarrier then it surely would've been destroyed.

 

[Artistsean]

Not any pics from page 25 to 30. hrm.